I didn't watch the game, but fumbled snap must be the TCU's best player on defense.
Oregon better grab Chip Kelly right now, or else be Damned to Helfrich
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HeretoBeatmyChest
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He's a real rising star!
I read it.
A typo and a repeat sentence, but good summary otherwise.
I wrote it quick. I'll go find said error and fix. Thank you.
I figured you wrote it quickly. I'm just being my jackass self.
I usually hold myself to a high standard.
Just not a high technical standard.
Drives 4, 5, & 8 are the killers because Freeman either got 1 or 0 touches on those drives. Even your fucking stupid OC went away from the run following Oregon's FG in OT. Dude went full Sark mode and you're lucky TCU's kicker is good or else we'd be talking about how TCU almost pulled out a great come from behind victory.
CokeGreaterThanPepsi
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Drive 8 Freeman took himself out, wasn't in the game.
HeretoBeatmyChest
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Freeman had 13 carries for 57 yards in the second half. So an average of 4. None went longer than 8 yards. The game could have gone either way. I doubt the decision to not feature Freeman on almost every play cost Oregon the game.
They lost because their defense is awful and they lost the winning mentality they had under Chip.
They lost because their defense is awful and they lost the winning mentality they had under Chip.
That's good reasoning, I agree with much of that.
FremontTroll
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Blocked Punt had a surprisingly bad game.
puppylove_sugarsteel
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Let me make simple. Oregon is fucking horrib l e with Lockie because he is terrible. Oregon is really fucking good with Adams.
If Montana boy is good, Oregon will be good. If he's not Chip Kelly will be back in '17, if Haden doesnnt snatch him up 1st, when H e lton gets murdered by Alabama and goes 5-7.
TurdBomber
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Dakota Prukop, Mont. St. QB. 28 TDs, 10 ints. 2nd team All Conf in Big Sky. 3k plus yards in 11 games. Conf record: 3-5, overall 5-6. (9th place/13 teams.) Decent QB, good runner, but not elusive like VAJ, and unlike VAJ, never played a Pac12 team.
Ducks: This is your man in 2016.
Ducks: This is your man in 2016.
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He's white?!?
creepycoug
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where the fuck have you been all my life handsome?
creepycoug
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Did you read this before poasting it? Re-read, and look at the number you typed next to the name "Freeman" each time. "Freeman for 4, 6, 8, 6,4, 5, 8, ...."
The worst run was 1 yard a couple of times, one of those was a 1 yd. TD which doesn't matter. The rest showed a worst result of 4 fucking yards, 3 yards once I guess, eith of which is something I'll take every day.
Every other play that didn't go to Freeman, EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAY, something bad happened. The fucked up snaps were all from the shot gun.
Can you review this and re-make your point please?
Let me explain something to you and to Krisvashon and Oregondawg: Oregon's offense is not a gimmick and it's not finesse and it's not complicated. IT IS PREDICATED OFF OF THE RUN. When Oregon can run, and they often can, they almost always win unless their play caller inexplicably wants to do something else.
Their passing game is not sophisticated nor complicated nor does it require Dan Marino to run it. It is predicated off of the run.
If Brenner can't snap the fucking ball in the gun, AND HE CAN'T, don't make him do it while nursing a 31 point fucking lead. Brenner did that every time he had to play - but Vaj was able to handle it because he can buy more time in the pocket than Lockie. Line Lockie the fuck up under center, hand the ball off UNTIL THEY STACK THE BOX AND TAKE IT AWAY, and then you'll have open receivers that even Lockie can hit.
You talk about TCU like they are the second coming of my Canes from 1980s. They are not. TCU is not capable of stacking the box against Oregon to stop the run and shutting down Carrington and company all at the same time. At least not often enough to eat up a 31 point deficit. No way. I'm almost sure I could have coached Oregon to a win that night.
I don't really give a fuck, but I will say this without qualification: If Helfrich feeds Freeman, spelling him once in a while with another RB, and minimizes Lockie's role and makes it a little easier for the kid, TCU never gets back in that game.
That game was remarkable to me for one very simple reason: I've never seen a team blow a 31 pt. lead without the other team really cranking up their level of play. Make no mistake Senor Frog, TCU was ass crack average in the second half too. Oregon just sucked THAT bad in the second half and laid down like a French whore during the Nazi occupation.
Offense kept going out and the defense was on the field too long. Everyone knows Oregon's D can't be on the field too long. Even Buckner, who is a beast, wore down.
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creepycoug
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They lost because they kept a really bad backup in the shot gun with a center who can only snap the ball to ankles. Coupled with Nelson's fumble on the kick return, it was a perfect storm of shit for Oregon.
Read Tequilla's book post on how stupid it is to argue for feeding Freeman. Look at the word "Freeman" in his poast and then look to the right of that name each time it is referenced and tell me the number you see.
And remember, too, that this was a 31 pt. lead. The doesn't go "either way" if I'm coaching them. It goes Oregon's way.
TCU is not that good, they were undermanned and outclassed ... that's how the first half happened.
With a 31 pt. lead and the other team playing with their backkup, you don't even need a winning mentality. You need only be remotely competent in your play calling given the situation.
Again, make it simple for Lockie. Line him up under center, where Brenner can't fuck it up so much, hand the ball to Freeman, spell him here and there when he taps out, and wait for TCU to load the box. Then you'll have some simple first down-type passes to hit that will keep them honest.
As I said to Tequilla, that game was remarkable to me because it was a first after watching cfb for so many years: never have I seen a team overcome a 31 pt. deficit without playing better than they did while digging their hole. TCU looked shit in the second half - Oregon was just actually THAT FUCKING BAD. It was like a whole team of Vinnie Testaverdes in the '86 Fiesta ... just one giant shit show.
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Tequilla
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You actually do make a good point about being able to get reasonable games with Freeman. The problem was that Oregon wasn't able to get chunk yardage in the 2nd half with Freeman. So what ended up happening was that either they needed eventually to go elsewhere to give Freeman a blow or they fucked up the snap from center. As a result, at some point, Oregon got behind the chains and their drives stalled.
My original point wasn't that Freeman wasn't having a reasonable 2nd half, it was disputing the notion that Oregon went away from getting him the ball.
Where I would disagree with you was that TCU was significantly better offensively in the 2nd half. They were moving the ball in the 1st half but kept shooting themselves in the foot with really bad penalties and stalling the drives. Even when they were doing things right with the blocked punt it went straight into Oregon's hands for a 1st down.
TCU is not the 2nd coming of the mid-80s Miami teams ... but it was a great win and a testament to the program of continuing to play when it would have been easy to pack it in down 31-0 at half with all the hurdles that they were facing on and off the scoreboard.
My original point wasn't that Freeman wasn't having a reasonable 2nd half, it was disputing the notion that Oregon went away from getting him the ball.
Where I would disagree with you was that TCU was significantly better offensively in the 2nd half. They were moving the ball in the 1st half but kept shooting themselves in the foot with really bad penalties and stalling the drives. Even when they were doing things right with the blocked punt it went straight into Oregon's hands for a 1st down.
TCU is not the 2nd coming of the mid-80s Miami teams ... but it was a great win and a testament to the program of continuing to play when it would have been easy to pack it in down 31-0 at half with all the hurdles that they were facing on and off the scoreboard.