Okay, the Russo-Ukrainian Separatists are Fucking Hilarious

[Swaye]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

Ozone's silence in this thread after your poast speaks volumes. He doesn't have shit for a response. Also, what has Obama done domestically that hasn't been a horrendous failure that negatively affects most Americans? I'm sure he doesn't have shit to say about that either.

Some liberals actually think ObamaCare is good legislation. Idiots.

 

[GrundleStiltzkin]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

HRYK. I don't see any other presidents running around with these.

None other than Jimmy Carter. President Obama is part of a rich heritage of our progressive leadership bringing peace throughout the world.

 

[AZDuck]

Never forget that the Nobel Prize is based upon one man's guilty conscience.

Alfred Nobel ( listen (help·info)) was born on 21 October 1833 in Stockholm, Sweden, into a family of engineers.[6] He was a chemist, engineer, and inventor. In 1894, Nobel purchased the Bofors iron and steel mill, which he made into a major armaments manufacturer. Nobel also invented ballistite. This invention was a precursor to many smokeless military explosives, especially the British smokeless powder cordite. As a consequence of his patent claims, Nobel was eventually involved in a patent infringement lawsuit over cordite. Nobel amassed a fortune during his lifetime, with most of his wealth from his 355 inventions, of which dynamite is the most famous.[7]

In 1888, Nobel was astonished to read his own obituary, titled The merchant of death is dead, in a French newspaper. As it was Alfred's brother Ludvig who had died, the obituary was eight years premature. The article disconcerted Nobel and made him apprehensive about how he would be remembered. This inspired him to change his will.[8] On 10 December 1896, Alfred Nobel died in his villa in San Remo, Italy, from a cerebral haemorrhage. He was 63 years old.[9]

Nobel wrote several wills during his lifetime. He composed the last over a year before he died, signing it at the Swedish–Norwegian Club in Paris on 27 November 1895.[10][11] To widespread astonishment, Nobel's last will specified that his fortune be used to create a series of prizes for those who confer the "greatest benefit on mankind" in physics, chemistry, peace, physiology or medicine, and literature.[12] Nobel bequeathed 94% of his total assets, 31 million SEK (c. US$186 million, €150 million in 2008), to establish the five Nobel Prizes.[13] Because of scepticism surrounding the will, it was not until 26 April 1897 that it was approved by the Storting in Norway.[14] The executors of Nobel's will, Ragnar Sohlman and Rudolf Lilljequist, formed the Nobel Foundation to take care of Nobel's fortune and organise the award of prizes.[15]

Nobel's instructions named a Norwegian Nobel Committee to award the Peace Prize, the members of whom were appointed shortly after the will was approved in April 1897. Soon thereafter, the other prize-awarding organisations were designated or established. These were Karolinska Institutet on 7 June, the Swedish Academy on 9 June, and the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences on 11 June.[16] The Nobel Foundation reached an agreement on guidelines for how the prizes should be awarded; and, in 1900, the Nobel Foundation's newly created statutes were promulgated by King Oscar II.[12] In 1905, the personal union between Sweden and Norway was dissolved. Thereafter, Norway's Nobel Committee was responsible for awarding the Nobel Peace Prize and the Swedish institutions retained responsibility for the other prizes.[14]

 

[GrundleStiltzkin]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

Ozone's silence in this thread after your poast speaks volumes. He doesn't have shit for a response. Also, what has Obama done domestically that hasn't been a horrendous failure that negatively affects most Americans? I'm sure he doesn't have shit to say about that either.

Some liberals actually think ObamaCare is good legislation. Idiots.

We prefer the term Progessives. We have worked hard to deliver progress to our country and our movement's name should reflect that.
And if you can see the need to gently direct our citizens into making the right choices for themselves, then I can't help you.

 

[dnc]

Never forget that the Nobel Prize is based upon one man's guilty conscience.

Alfred Nobel ( listen (help·info)) was born on 21 October 1833 in Stockholm, Sweden, into a family of engineers.[6] He was a chemist, engineer, and inventor. In 1894, Nobel purchased the Bofors iron and steel mill, which he made into a major armaments manufacturer. Nobel also invented ballistite. This invention was a precursor to many smokeless military explosives, especially the British smokeless powder cordite. As a consequence of his patent claims, Nobel was eventually involved in a patent infringement lawsuit over cordite. Nobel amassed a fortune during his lifetime, with most of his wealth from his 355 inventions, of which dynamite is the most famous.[7]

In 1888, Nobel was astonished to read his own obituary, titled The merchant of death is dead, in a French newspaper. As it was Alfred's brother Ludvig who had died, the obituary was eight years premature. The article disconcerted Nobel and made him apprehensive about how he would be remembered. This inspired him to change his will.[8] On 10 December 1896, Alfred Nobel died in his villa in San Remo, Italy, from a cerebral haemorrhage. He was 63 years old.[9]

Nobel wrote several wills during his lifetime. He composed the last over a year before he died, signing it at the Swedish–Norwegian Club in Paris on 27 November 1895.[10][11] To widespread astonishment, Nobel's last will specified that his fortune be used to create a series of prizes for those who confer the "greatest benefit on mankind" in physics, chemistry, peace, physiology or medicine, and literature.[12] Nobel bequeathed 94% of his total assets, 31 million SEK (c. US$186 million, €150 million in 2008), to establish the five Nobel Prizes.[13] Because of scepticism surrounding the will, it was not until 26 April 1897 that it was approved by the Storting in Norway.[14] The executors of Nobel's will, Ragnar Sohlman and Rudolf Lilljequist, formed the Nobel Foundation to take care of Nobel's fortune and organise the award of prizes.[15]

Nobel's instructions named a Norwegian Nobel Committee to award the Peace Prize, the members of whom were appointed shortly after the will was approved in April 1897. Soon thereafter, the other prize-awarding organisations were designated or established. These were Karolinska Institutet on 7 June, the Swedish Academy on 9 June, and the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences on 11 June.[16] The Nobel Foundation reached an agreement on guidelines for how the prizes should be awarded; and, in 1900, the Nobel Foundation's newly created statutes were promulgated by King Oscar II.[12] In 1905, the personal union between Sweden and Norway was dissolved. Thereafter, Norway's Nobel Committee was responsible for awarding the Nobel Peace Prize and the Swedish institutions retained responsibility for the other prizes.[14]

Excellent poont. Guess we should start calling them the White Guilt Awards.

Certainly makes Obama a much more worthy recipient.

 

[OZONE]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

I'm not here to prop him up as a great prez, but I think that criticism about the Russia / Ukraine situation is dumb. As I've said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, and financing it.

I'd much rather see our tax dollars spent on things like schools, roads, hospitals, high speed rail systems, parks with sports fields, bridges, and sea plane harbors... and less money spent on building more nuclear aircraft carriers or submarines or exotic expensive weapons or aid to some random jihadist that will become terrorists in 15 years and use the weapons and training we gave them on us.

 

[MikeDamone]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

I'm not here to prop him up as a great prez, but I think that criticism about the Russia / Ukraine situation is dumb. As I've said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, and financing it.

I'd much rather see our tax dollars spent on things like schools, roads, hospitals, high speed rail systems, parks with sports fields, bridges, and sea plane harbors... and less money spent on building more nuclear aircraft carriers or submarines or exotic expensive weapons or aid to some random jihadist that will become terrorists in 15 years and use the weapons and training we gave them on us.

I'd much rather have the force of government steal less of peoples earnings.

 

[OZONE]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

I'm not here to prop him up as a great prez, but I think that criticism about the Russia / Ukraine situation is dumb. As I've said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, and financing it.

I'd much rather see our tax dollars spent on things like schools, roads, hospitals, high speed rail systems, parks with sports fields, bridges, and sea plane harbors... and less money spent on building more nuclear aircraft carriers or submarines or exotic expensive weapons or aid to some random jihadist that will become terrorists in 15 years and use the weapons and training we gave them on us.

I'd much rather have the force of government steal less of peoples earnings.

Sure you would.

Do you have a plan for how we get that war debt paid off... without taxes?

 

[MikeDamone]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

I'm not here to prop him up as a great prez, but I think that criticism about the Russia / Ukraine situation is dumb. As I've said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, and financing it.

I'd much rather see our tax dollars spent on things like schools, roads, hospitals, high speed rail systems, parks with sports fields, bridges, and sea plane harbors... and less money spent on building more nuclear aircraft carriers or submarines or exotic expensive weapons or aid to some random jihadist that will become terrorists in 15 years and use the weapons and training we gave them on us.

I'd much rather have the force of government steal less of peoples earnings.

Sure you would.

Do you have a plan for how we get that war debt paid off... without taxes?

I thought you were talking about using the same money for schools, roads...etc.

 

[OZONE]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

I'm not here to prop him up as a great prez, but I think that criticism about the Russia / Ukraine situation is dumb. As I've said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, and financing it.

I'd much rather see our tax dollars spent on things like schools, roads, hospitals, high speed rail systems, parks with sports fields, bridges, and sea plane harbors... and less money spent on building more nuclear aircraft carriers or submarines or exotic expensive weapons or aid to some random jihadist that will become terrorists in 15 years and use the weapons and training we gave them on us.

I'd much rather have the force of government steal less of peoples earnings.

Sure you would.

Do you have a plan for how we get that war debt paid off... without taxes?

I thought you were talking about using the same money for schools, roads...etc.

What I'm saying is that I'd have rather seen the 4 trillion dollar war cost spent on the things I listed, but now the cost is there as a debt, and has to be paid off.

Were you this vocal about gov't spending with the prior guy was racking up this debt?

 

[MikeDamone]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

I'm not here to prop him up as a great prez, but I think that criticism about the Russia / Ukraine situation is dumb. As I've said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, and financing it.

I'd much rather see our tax dollars spent on things like schools, roads, hospitals, high speed rail systems, parks with sports fields, bridges, and sea plane harbors... and less money spent on building more nuclear aircraft carriers or submarines or exotic expensive weapons or aid to some random jihadist that will become terrorists in 15 years and use the weapons and training we gave them on us.

I'd much rather have the force of government steal less of peoples earnings.

Sure you would.

Do you have a plan for how we get that war debt paid off... without taxes?

I thought you were talking about using the same money for schools, roads...etc.

What I'm saying is that I'd have rather seen the 4 trillion dollar war cost spent on the things I listed, but now the cost is there as a debt, and has to be paid off.

Were you this vocal about gov't spending with the prior guy was racking up this debt?

Yes, I was. Not just war debt either. And we shouldn't go into debt to spend the things you list either.

Also, I said tax on earnings...

 

[OZONE]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

I'm not here to prop him up as a great prez, but I think that criticism about the Russia / Ukraine situation is dumb. As I've said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, and financing it.

I'd much rather see our tax dollars spent on things like schools, roads, hospitals, high speed rail systems, parks with sports fields, bridges, and sea plane harbors... and less money spent on building more nuclear aircraft carriers or submarines or exotic expensive weapons or aid to some random jihadist that will become terrorists in 15 years and use the weapons and training we gave them on us.

I'd much rather have the force of government steal less of peoples earnings.

Sure you would.

Do you have a plan for how we get that war debt paid off... without taxes?

I thought you were talking about using the same money for schools, roads...etc.

What I'm saying is that I'd have rather seen the 4 trillion dollar war cost spent on the things I listed, but now the cost is there as a debt, and has to be paid off.

Were you this vocal about gov't spending with the prior guy was racking up this debt?

Yes, I was. Not just war debt either. And we shouldn't go into debt to spend the things you list either.

Also, I said tax on earnings...

Okay cool, then you agree that the prior administration's plan of going into debt to pay for two wars was a very poor plan.

We agree on that.

I'm not advocating going further into debt for pay for what I listed... and I'd prefer a balanced budget each year... rather than borrowing money from China to bail out wall street.

 

[MikeDamone]

Reagan was right. The bombing should have started in five minutes.

This shit wouldn't be happening under Reagan's watch. The vapid empty suit currently occupying the White House is completely out of his realm .... and we have a voting populace rife with dumbasses to thank for that.

Many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force.

If Russia taking part of the Ukraine is bad for Europe, then let the fucking Europeans deal with it.

You should feel proud of the spineless jackass that morons like you voted in for a second term. We now support terrorists (give money to the Palestinians, which ends up going to Hamas), betray allies (Israel), are letting Iran buttfuck us with the sanctions concessions we're giving them on their nuclear program when they've done NOTHING to change, do nothing about Putin shooting down an airliner, let Iraq be turned into a breeding ground of terrorist maggots by leaving no residual force there, and this is just the international bungling. If you did vote for him, please tie a rock around your ankle and drown yourself in the nearest lake.

Your anger us misdirected. Be angry at your parents for raising you in whatever school district you came from that produces such ignorant people with such a small minded grasp of the world.

What foreign policy triumphs orchestrated by Obama are you proud of?

You mean besides getting us out of two wars started by the prior guy that have cost our economy 4 trillion dollars?

As I said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, or paying for it.

We will suspend judgment on whether or not his decisions to remove us from the region will be viewed positively or negatively in the next 10 years, but okay, you see removing us as a good thing. Got it.

Is there anything else you think he has done a fine job on? Situation at the border? Ukraine? Iran? Syria? ISIS? Israel? Any others? I'm not trying to be a dick. I want to know what policies this guy has put in place that you think are really stabilizing the world and our place in it.

I'm not here to prop him up as a great prez, but I think that criticism about the Russia / Ukraine situation is dumb. As I've said, many of us voters aren't interested in being the world's police force, and financing it.

I'd much rather see our tax dollars spent on things like schools, roads, hospitals, high speed rail systems, parks with sports fields, bridges, and sea plane harbors... and less money spent on building more nuclear aircraft carriers or submarines or exotic expensive weapons or aid to some random jihadist that will become terrorists in 15 years and use the weapons and training we gave them on us.

I'd much rather have the force of government steal less of peoples earnings.

Sure you would.

Do you have a plan for how we get that war debt paid off... without taxes?

I thought you were talking about using the same money for schools, roads...etc.

What I'm saying is that I'd have rather seen the 4 trillion dollar war cost spent on the things I listed, but now the cost is there as a debt, and has to be paid off.

Were you this vocal about gov't spending with the prior guy was racking up this debt?

Yes, I was. Not just war debt either. And we shouldn't go into debt to spend the things you list either.

Also, I said tax on earnings...

Okay cool, then you agree that the prior administration's plan of going into debt to pay for two wars was a very poor plan.

We agree on that.

I'm not advocating going further into debt for pay for what I listed... and I'd prefer a balanced budget each year... rather than borrowing money from China to bail out wall street.

Yes..and I agree that continuing to do it for 5 more years was a bad plan. And I agree that going into debt for bailouts (banks, automakers, mortgage holders, etc.) and "stimulus" was a bad plan. I agree that going into debt for anything is a bad idea.

Just a point of clarification, we don't specifically "borrow money from China" to go into debt. The Federal Reserve and all kinds of individuals, banks, investment companies, and governments are free to buy U.S. Treasuries and other bonds. China holds about 8% of the debt and about 25% of all foreign held debt. Japan holds nearly the same amount, but not quite.

But none of the affects or conflicts with my earlier statement.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

It's only worth going into debt if you need something that is absolutely vital, or if you are relatively certain that you will profit later by taking on present debt.

 

[AZDuck]

Re: government debt.

Disagree.

Governments have more flexibility than individuals when it comes to indebtedness, particularly the U.S.

Deficit-worriers portray a future in which we’re impoverished by the need to pay back money we’ve been borrowing. They see America as being like a family that took out too large a mortgage, and will have a hard time making the monthly payments.

This is, however, a really bad analogy in at least two ways.

First, families have to pay back their debt. Governments don’t — all they need to do is ensure that debt grows more slowly than their tax base. The debt from World War II was never repaid; it just became increasingly irrelevant as the U.S. economy grew, and with it the income subject to taxation.

Second — and this is the point almost nobody seems to get — an over-borrowed family owes money to someone else; U.S. debt is, to a large extent, money we owe to ourselves.

This was clearly true of the debt incurred to win World War II. Taxpayers were on the hook for a debt that was significantly bigger, as a percentage of G.D.P., than debt today; but that debt was also owned by taxpayers, such as all the people who bought savings bonds. So the debt didn’t make postwar America poorer. In particular, the debt didn’t prevent the postwar generation from experiencing the biggest rise in incomes and living standards in our nation’s history.

But isn’t this time different? Not as much as you think.

It’s true that foreigners now hold large claims on the United States, including a fair amount of government debt. But every dollar’s worth of foreign claims on America is matched by 89 cents’ worth of U.S. claims on foreigners. And because foreigners tend to put their U.S. investments into safe, low-yield assets, America actually earns more from its assets abroad than it pays to foreign investors. If your image is of a nation that’s already deep in hock to the Chinese, you’ve been misinformed. Nor are we heading rapidly in that direction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opinion/krugman-nobody-understands-debt.html?_r=0

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

WTF'd for Krugman.

 

[AZDuck]

He's at least as credible as the Ludwig von Mises Institute for Ayn Rand Economics or whatever

WTF'd for Krugman.

 

[MikeDamone]

WTF'd for Krugman.

Krugman is a fraud. He is wrong too many times to count. This is just one example.

There are several articles like this one.

moneymorning.com/2012/01/09/paul-krugman-is-dead-wrong-debt-matters/

And this one.

huffingtonpost.com/charles-kolb/why-paul-krugman-is-wrong_b_3255089.html

 

[AZDuck]

WTF'd for Krugman.

Krugman is a fraud.

Disagree.

 

[AZDuck]

Krugman's piece was glib, but gets the point across. A more nuanced view is from J. Bradford Delong (econ prof at Cal) who writes:

As long as stock prices are buoyant, business leaders are not scared of future taxes or of policy uncertainty. As long as interest rates remain low, there is no downward pressure on public investment. And as long as inflation remains low, the extra debt that governments are issuing is highly-prized as a store of value, helps savers sleep more easily at night, and provides a boost to the economy as it assists deleveraging and raises the velocity of spending.

Economists, you see, don't watch just quantities--the amount of debt a government has issued--but prices. And the prices of government debt are the rate of inflation, the nominal interest rate, and the level of the stock market as people trade bonds for commodities, bonds for cash, and bonds for stocks. And all three of these prices are flashing green: saying that markets would prefer and it would be better for the economy if government debt were growing at a faster pace than under current forecasts.

There still isn't any evidence of inflationary pressure in the economy yet, and Yellin has pretty much said outright that she is going to raise rates so as to kill off any possible inflation tendencies that might be lurking behind the couch somewhere (I think this is way too fucking cautious, as the economy is only just starting to recover from the Great Recession).