OFFICIAL Trump border wall speech thread

[SFGbob]

@HoustonHusky do you trust Fox news better? They fact checked his speech as well.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c356ed3e4b0dbd06601649c

More fucktardedness...big surprise from HondoFS.

“The government’s statistics show that there is less violent crime by the undocumented immigrant population than by the general population,”[/i]

That's by conviction. Some simple, actual facts that make that HondoFS. 1) More than half of all violent crimes are never reported, and of those, 2) less than half of violent crimes reported are cleared. So you are talking about a subset of less than 1/4 of actual violent crimes that occur to draw a conclusion about a subset of population that is very different from the overall population.

HondoFS...

Also, if you have cities like LA and SF and NYC that don't inquire into the immigration status of the people they arrest for violent crimes how would you know illegals commit less violent crime?

Btw, this has always struck me as an odd argument. Even if the stat was accurate, so what? Does that mean we should enforce our immigration laws? Should we deport violent citizens and import more of these non-violent illegals? What exactly is the fucking point? One violent crime committed by an illegal is a violent crime that never should have happened in the first place.

 

[Pitchfork51]

You hire illegals so both parties avoid taxes including SS

That's the fucking point

So there are no illegals with fake SS numbers working for a real wage to get more money? Chinteresting.

Thats even worse. Under the table is better than stolen identitty.

That has nothing to do with this discussion. Thanks for playing tho.

They either don't pay taxes or if they do then they are straight identity stealing criminals. How is this hard for yoi

 

[insinceredawg]

@HoustonHusky do you trust Fox news better? They fact checked his speech as well.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c356ed3e4b0dbd06601649c

More fucktardedness...big surprise from HondoFS.

“The government’s statistics show that there is less violent crime by the undocumented immigrant population than by the general population,”[/i]

That's by conviction. Some simple, actual facts that make that HondoFS. 1) More than half of all violent crimes are never reported, and of those, 2) less than half of violent crimes reported are cleared. So you are talking about a subset of less than 1/4 of actual violent crimes that occur to draw a conclusion about a subset of population that is very different from the overall population.

HondoFS...

Also, if you have cities like LA and SF and NYC that don't inquire into the immigration status of the people they arrest for violent crimes how would you know illegals commit less violent crime?

Btw, this has always struck me as an odd argument. Even if the stat was accurate, so what? Does that mean we should enforce our immigration laws? Should we deport violent citizens and import more of these non-violent illegals? What exactly is the fucking point? One violent crime committed by an illegal is a violent crime that never should have happened in the first place.

How are the wait times in the ER these days?

 

[SFGbob]

Accurate data on what the percentage is of illegal immigrants who commit violent crime is damn hard to find because the issue is so politicized. Personally, I've always thought the claim that illegals commit less violent crime than average US citizen was bullshit.

Here's some interesting statistical analysis that puts a big hole in that claim:

‐ California: In California, there were 28,030 inmates incarcerated for homicide and related offenses (first degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter, and vehicular manslaughter) in December 2009. Using GAO’s 2008 estimate, there were approximately 2,430 illegal aliens imprisoned in California for homicide and related offenses. The total population of California was approximately 37 million, and the illegal alien population was approximately 2.5 million. Applying the same analysis as above, this yields an estimated rate of 97.2 illegal aliens imprisoned for homicide and related offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens, and 74.1 citizens and legal residents imprisoned for homicide and related offenses per 100,000 citizens and legal residents.

‐ Florida: Florida incarcerated 12,684 inmates for murder and manslaughter offenses in 2008–2009. Approximately 480 were illegal aliens. The total population of Florida was approximately 18.8 million and the illegal alien population was approximately 875,000. This yields an estimated rate of 54.85 illegal aliens imprisoned for murder and manslaughter per 100,000 illegal aliens, and 67.8 legal residents imprisoned for murder and manslaughter per 100,000 legal residents.

‐ New York: At the beginning of 2010, there were 10,254 prisoners incarcerated in New York for murder and manslaughter offenses (murder, first-degree manslaughter, second-degree manslaughter, other homicide). Approximately 1,350 were illegal aliens. The total population of New York was approximately 19.3 million, and the illegal alien population was approximately 800,000. This yields an estimated rate of 168.75 illegal aliens incarcerated for murder and related offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens, and 48.12 legal residents incarcerated for murder and related offenses per 100,000 legal residents.

‐ Texas: In Texas in 2008–2009, 16,178 people were incarcerated for homicide. Approximately 900 of them were illegal aliens. The total population of Texas was roughly 25 million, and the illegal alien population was roughly 1.65 million. This yields a rate of 54.54 illegal aliens incarcerated for homicide per 100,000 illegal aliens, and 65.43 legal residents incarcerated for homicide per 100,000 legal residents.

COMMENTS
‐ Taking the data only from these five states, and assuming that each person incarcerated for a homicide-related offense is responsible for only one death, yields 5,400 people killed by illegal aliens.[/b][/i]
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/crime-illegal-immigration/

 

[insinceredawg]

The wall was just a gimmick to remind Trump to talk about immigration. Do you guys actually think in this day and age that a huge wall is the only way to prevent illegal immigration? It's a simple minded, 10th century solution to a 21st century problem.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-camp...border-wall-idea-make-sure-he-slammed-1280503

On Saturday, the New York Times revealed that the president’s signature 2016 campaign promise to build a wall on the southwestern border was cooked up “as a mnemonic device of sorts” to “make sure their candidate—who hated reading from a script but loved boasting about himself and his talents as a builder—would remember to talk about immigration.”

 

[SFGbob]

Who here thinks that a "huge wall" is the only way to prevent illegal immigration? Fucking strawman ass rather than honestly addressing the people you disagree with seems much more simple minded to me. But then you did up arrow Hondo's "nuanced" genius regarding the differences between media polling and campaign polling.

 

[SFGbob]

@HoustonHusky do you trust Fox news better? They fact checked his speech as well.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c356ed3e4b0dbd06601649c

More fucktardedness...big surprise from HondoFS.

“The government’s statistics show that there is less violent crime by the undocumented immigrant population than by the general population,”[/i]

That's by conviction. Some simple, actual facts that make that HondoFS. 1) More than half of all violent crimes are never reported, and of those, 2) less than half of violent crimes reported are cleared. So you are talking about a subset of less than 1/4 of actual violent crimes that occur to draw a conclusion about a subset of population that is very different from the overall population.

HondoFS...

Also, if you have cities like LA and SF and NYC that don't inquire into the immigration status of the people they arrest for violent crimes how would you know illegals commit less violent crime?

Btw, this has always struck me as an odd argument. Even if the stat was accurate, so what? Does that mean we should enforce our immigration laws? Should we deport violent citizens and import more of these non-violent illegals? What exactly is the fucking point? One violent crime committed by an illegal is a violent crime that never should have happened in the first place.

How are the wait times in the ER these days?

Shitty in many parts of this state. Good to see you care more about people here illegally than you do American citizens.

 

[insinceredawg]

Who here thinks that a "huge wall" is the only way to prevent illegal immigration? Fucking strawman ass rather than honestly addressing the people you disagree with seems much more simple minded to me. But then you did up arrow Hondo's "nuanced" genius regarding the differences between media polling and campaign polling.

The government shutdown is making the border less secure. Is prolonging the shutdown to get funding for the wall a hill worth dying on for Trump when a wall's actual effectiveness is questionable? If there's such a crisis at the border like he claims (with no facts or data to back it up), then this shutdown is more harmful than whatever the wall will ultimately prevent.

 

[SFGbob]

If there's such a crisis at the border like he claims (with no facts or data to back it up)[/i][/b]

If your argument is so strong why do you feel the need to lie? Trump cited plenty of data and facts to back up his argument. Now you can disagree with his assessment that it's a crisis but there is no need to lie and claim that he cited no data or fact.

If the shut down gets a barrier built in the long run we'll be better off for it.

 

[RaceBannon]

The wall was just a gimmick to remind Trump to talk about immigration. Do you guys actually think in this day and age that a huge wall is the only way to prevent illegal immigration? It's a simple minded, 10th century solution to a 21st century problem.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-camp...border-wall-idea-make-sure-he-slammed-1280503

On Saturday, the New York Times revealed that the president’s signature 2016 campaign promise to build a wall on the southwestern border was cooked up “as a mnemonic device of sorts” to “make sure their candidate—who hated reading from a script but loved boasting about himself and his talents as a builder—would remember to talk about immigration.”

I;m sure the article is bullshit but how is Trump any different than Clinton, Obama, Nancy and Chuck who have all callled for and voted for a wall in the past?

I don't need an inside source to tell me the opposition now is based on hating Trump not what is good for America

Your waiting room remark just shows how callous you fucks are about it. I hope a family who lost a kid shoves a lit M80 up your ass

 

[SFGbob]

We could listen to this guy regarding the effectiveness of a wall, or we could listen to dumbfuck who up arrowed Hondo's genius regarding the differences between media and campaign polling.

Before the fence was built, all that separated that stretch of Mexico from California was a single strand of cable that demarcated the international border.

Back then, Border Patrol agent Jim Henry says he was overwhelmed by the stream of immigrants who crossed into the United States illegally just in that sector.

"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year."

Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double -- and in some places, triple -- fencing.

The first fence, 10 feet high, is made of welded metal panels. The second fence, 15 feet high, consists of steel mesh, and the top is angled inward to make it harder to climb over. Finally, in high-traffic areas, there's also a smaller chain-link fence. In between the two main fences is 150 feet of "no man's land," an area that the Border Patrol sweeps with flood lights and trucks, and soon, surveillance cameras.

"Here in San Diego, we have proven that the border infrastructure system does indeed work," Henry says. "It is highly effective."[/i][/b]
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928

 

[insinceredawg]

If there's such a crisis at the border like he claims (with no facts or data to back it up)[/i][/b]

If your argument is so strong why do you feel the need to lie? Trump cited plenty of data and facts to back up his argument. Now you can disagree with his assessment that it's a crisis but there is no need to lie and claim that he cited no data or fact.

If the shut down gets a barrier built in the long run we'll be better off for it.

Do you not see the irony of you calling people out as liars while continuing to defend and suck off Trump, a pathological liar who has told thousands of lies since he took office?

 

[sarktastic]

Wow. Huge lie. Huge

 

[SFGbob]

If there's such a crisis at the border like he claims (with no facts or data to back it up)[/i][/b]

If your argument is so strong why do you feel the need to lie? Trump cited plenty of data and facts to back up his argument. Now you can disagree with his assessment that it's a crisis but there is no need to lie and claim that he cited no data or fact.

If the shut down gets a barrier built in the long run we'll be better off for it.

Do you not see the irony of you calling people out as liars while continuing to defend and suck off Trump, a pathological liar who has told thousands of lies since he took office?

I've never once defend a lie told by Trump. And if you're so bothered by lying why do you do it here all the time? You and I can't control Trump's lies, can you control your own?

Shocking how your failed to address your claim that Trump cited no data or facts and that walls don't work.

 

[2001400ex]

Wow. Huge lie. Huge

*Yuge

 

[2001400ex]

If there's such a crisis at the border like he claims (with no facts or data to back it up)[/i][/b]

If your argument is so strong why do you feel the need to lie? Trump cited plenty of data and facts to back up his argument. Now you can disagree with his assessment that it's a crisis but there is no need to lie and claim that he cited no data or fact.

If the shut down gets a barrier built in the long run we'll be better off for it.

Do you not see the irony of you calling people out as liars while continuing to defend and suck off Trump, a pathological liar who has told thousands of lies since he took office?

I've never once defend a lie told by Trump. And if you're so bothered by lying why do you do it here all the time? You and I can't control Trump's lies, can you control your own?

Shocking how your failed to address your claim that Trump cited no data or facts and that walls don't work.

You run cover for Trump's lies all. fucking. day.

 

[SFGbob]

If there's such a crisis at the border like he claims (with no facts or data to back it up)[/i][/b]

If your argument is so strong why do you feel the need to lie? Trump cited plenty of data and facts to back up his argument. Now you can disagree with his assessment that it's a crisis but there is no need to lie and claim that he cited no data or fact.

If the shut down gets a barrier built in the long run we'll be better off for it.

Do you not see the irony of you calling people out as liars while continuing to defend and suck off Trump, a pathological liar who has told thousands of lies since he took office?

I've never once defend a lie told by Trump. And if you're so bothered by lying why do you do it here all the time? You and I can't control Trump's lies, can you control your own?

Shocking how your failed to address your claim that Trump cited no data or facts and that walls don't work.

You run cover for Trump's lies all. fucking. day.

Go ahead Kunt. Find an example of where I've ever defended a lie told by Trump.

Hell Hondo, you fucking lie your ass off here all day long.

When are we going to get the names of those Republicans who called AOC's dance "scandalous" Hondo? I could paper this board with verbatim quotes from you that are lies Hondo. I defy you to find a single example of where I've ever defended a lie told by Trump.

 

[insinceredawg]

If there's such a crisis at the border like he claims (with no facts or data to back it up)[/i][/b]

If your argument is so strong why do you feel the need to lie? Trump cited plenty of data and facts to back up his argument. Now you can disagree with his assessment that it's a crisis but there is no need to lie and claim that he cited no data or fact.

If the shut down gets a barrier built in the long run we'll be better off for it.

Do you not see the irony of you calling people out as liars while continuing to defend and suck off Trump, a pathological liar who has told thousands of lies since he took office?

I've never once defend a lie told by Trump. And if you're so bothered by lying why do you do it here all the time? You and I can't control Trump's lies, can you control your own?

Shocking how your failed to address your claim that Trump cited no data or facts and that walls don't work.

Trump's data and facts were either misleading or outright lies. As usual. Guess that makes him a lying Kunt in your eyes right?https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/trump-speech.html

 

[2001400ex]

If there's such a crisis at the border like he claims (with no facts or data to back it up)[/i][/b]

If your argument is so strong why do you feel the need to lie? Trump cited plenty of data and facts to back up his argument. Now you can disagree with his assessment that it's a crisis but there is no need to lie and claim that he cited no data or fact.

If the shut down gets a barrier built in the long run we'll be better off for it.

Do you not see the irony of you calling people out as liars while continuing to defend and suck off Trump, a pathological liar who has told thousands of lies since he took office?

I've never once defend a lie told by Trump. And if you're so bothered by lying why do you do it here all the time? You and I can't control Trump's lies, can you control your own?

Shocking how your failed to address your claim that Trump cited no data or facts and that walls don't work.

You run cover for Trump's lies all. fucking. day.

Go ahead Kunt. Find an example of where I've ever defended a lie told by Trump.

Hell Hondo, you fucking lie your ass off here all day long.

When are we going to get the names of those Republicans who called AOC's dance "scandalous" Hondo? I could paper this board with verbatim quotes from you that are lies Hondo. I defy you to find a single example of where I've ever defended a lie told by Trump.

Oh so me posting an AOC tweet means it's my statement now. I post Trump tweets all day, are that my statements now?

You defend his lie about the border wall. All fucking day. Every day. I could dig up more but I'm not an obsessed bitch like you are.

 

[SFGbob]

What lie about the border wall have I defended Kunt? Weird how you can't provide any specifics.