Cutting and pasting a list from wiki is such higher level intellectualism.
Maybe stop using the phrase if it bothers you so much.
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Cutting and pasting a list from wiki is such higher level intellectualism.
Maybe stop using the phrase if it bothers you so much.
A decent chunk of fascism is aesthetic. It’s not my problem if you have no idea what fascism is.
Overthrow an election? You talking about the buffalo head guy? C’mon. Lots of unidentified instigators floating in that crowd riling up a bunch of emotionally charged people. I do believe Trump told everyone to stand down and respect law enforcement. They didn’t listen. Election integrity was questioned in 2000, 2016 and 2020. Two of the three were by democrats who lost. Eye for an eye on using the federal government to attack your opponents. I’d be more a “take the high road” and hammer through my mandate type of president but that’s not Trump. I’m not condoning the shenanigans from either side, I’m incredibly tired of both to be honest but to turn a blind eye to the lefts hypocrisy concerning Trump is laughable.
Use the federal government to attack his enemies huh?
Sounds familiar
Sounds familiar
1. He left office in 2021. This is the single most important fact. For all the chaos around January 6, the constitutional transfer of power happened. Biden was inaugurated. Trump left Washington. A genuine fascist — Mussolini, Hitler, Franco — does not vacate the premises when the system says to. The machinery of state, the military, the courts, and ultimately Trump himself complied with the result. Whatever you call January 6, it was not a successful seizure of power, and the institutions held.
2. He governed within constitutional limits in his first term. When courts blocked the travel ban, he rewrote it rather than ignoring them. When the Supreme Court ruled against him on DACA and the census citizenship question, he complied. He did not suspend elections, did not jail journalists, did not shut down opposition parties, did not nationalize industries, did not create paramilitary forces, did not rule by decree. Compare this to actual fascist regimes in their first four years — the contrast is enormous.
3. There is no fascist movement infrastructure. Historical fascism had mass paramilitary organizations: Mussolini’s Blackshirts, Hitler’s SA and SS, the Iron Guard, the Falange. These were disciplined, uniformed, hierarchical street-fighting forces numbering in the hundreds of thousands, organized to seize power through coordinated violence. Trump has rallies. The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are small, fragmented, and have been criminally prosecuted by the Trump-era and Biden-era DOJ alike. There is no equivalent infrastructure.
4. The ideology doesn’t match. Fascism is a coherent (if repugnant) ideology: palingenetic ultranationalism, rejection of liberalism and Marxism, corporatist economics, glorification of war and violence as regenerative, totalitarian aspiration to remake society. Trumpism is, ideologically, a grab bag — tax cuts, deregulation, immigration restriction, tariffs, judicial appointments, a transactional foreign policy. It’s recognizably within the tradition of right-populism (Perot, Buchanan, Reagan’s harder edges) rather than something genuinely new. Calling it fascist obscures more than it reveals.
5. The “attacks on institutions” charge cuts both ways. Every modern president has expanded executive power and clashed with institutions. Obama bypassed Congress on DACA and the Iran deal; Biden defied the Supreme Court on student loans and extended eviction moratoriums after being told they were illegal; FDR tried to pack the Supreme Court. Trump’s conduct is more confrontational in tone, but the underlying pattern of executive aggrandizement is bipartisan and decades old. Singling him out as uniquely anti-institutional requires ignoring a lot.
6. Media hostility is not media suppression. Trump called the press names. He didn’t shut down outlets, jail reporters, or revoke licenses. The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, and every other critical outlet operated freely throughout his first term and continue to. Compare this to Erdoğan (jailed journalists), Putin (murdered journalists), or actual fascist regimes (state monopoly on press). Rhetorical hostility from a politician toward critical coverage is not the same category of thing as authoritarian press control, and conflating them inflates the term.
7. He won a free and fair election in 2024. Roughly 77 million Americans voted for him, including gains among Black voters, Hispanic voters, young voters, and union households. A movement that wins a multiracial working-class plurality of the electorate in a free election is, whatever else it is, operating within democratic politics. The “fascist” label requires you to believe that nearly half the country knowingly voted for fascism, which is both implausible and condescending.
8. The “fascism” label has been overused to the point of meaninglessness. It was applied to Reagan, both Bushes, and basically every Republican nominee in living memory. When a term is deployed against every politician of one party, it stops being analytical and becomes a partisan epithet. Serious scholars like Richard Evans, Stanley Payne, and Sheri Berman have argued that “authoritarian populism,” “national conservatism,” or “illiberal democracy” are more precise descriptors. Reaching for “fascism” because milder terms feel inadequate to one’s alarm is a category error.
9. Liberal democracies are more resilient than the fascism frame suggests. The American constitutional order has federalism, an independent judiciary, a free press, an armed and politically diverse citizenry, two-party competition, and a professional military with deep norms against domestic political involvement. The fascism analogy treats the US as analogous to Weimar Germany — a young, fragile democracy with a discredited elite, mass unemployment, paramilitary street violence, and recent military defeat. The US in 2026 is not Weimar. The frame doesn’t fit the conditions.
Nobody was floating around and agitating the crowd. Notice we haven’t heard a word about “fedsurrection” since Trump took office. Trump lied to his idiots for months about a stolen election… he poured gasoline on the fire and lit the match. He also told them at the rally that they needed to fight like hell. Convenient you left that out. Trying to pretend that all Trump and his crew were doing was questioning the election is 100% disingenuous.
Nobody was using the federal government attack you or Trump. Trump committed crimes and needs to be punished for it.
So telling your supporters to fight is fascist?
You think it's OK to flood 15 million more illegals into our country and allow them to vote beside all the free shit. I've posted massive proof of voter fraud. There is nothing wrong with stopping that fraud.
Explain to me why you think ID to vote is wrong. I'll wait Comrade.
No, I was refuting a favorite moron talking point that Trump told the crowd to be peaceful.
Yes. Biden frequently called on others — voters, Democrats, allies, and Americans broadly — to join him in fighting for various causes during his presidency. Common examples include urging people to fight for democracy, for abortion rights after the Dobbs decision, for voting rights, and for Ukraine’s defense against Russia. His 2024 campaign rallies and his Democratic National Convention speech leaned heavily on this rallying language, and “When we fight, we win” became a signature chant associated with both him and Kamala Harris.
Fight the power
Yes. Barack Obama regularly used “fight” as a call to action throughout his political career, both as president and as a campaigner. He urged Americans to fight for healthcare reform, for the middle class, for voting rights, for climate action, and for democratic norms. His 2008 and 2012 campaigns leaned on “fighting for you” language, and in later years — particularly during the 2020 and 2024 campaigns — he often urged voters and Democrats to fight for the country’s future and against threats to democracy. “Fired up, ready to go” was his more famous rallying cry, but exhortations to “fight” were a steady part of his rhetoric.
Orange man fight bad
@CalJammer is a retard.
I'm hearing that water is wet
I don’t think having an ID to vote is wrong. I wish more Dems would get behind it to get it off the table as an issue.
If you think a politician calling on his constituents to fight is fascist, I've got some very bad news for you.
He also told them at the rally that they needed to fight like hell. Convenient you left that out.
Except you did in 2868