OC position

Dak got better with Moore. To go right from player, to QB coach, to coordinator is impressive. You don’t see that often. Obviously he was thought of very highly.

I don’t think he would run Pete’s offense. I would take Monken over him because of Monken’s success at OK State and Southern Miss, but Moore could be really good. It would be a high upside hire.

Huard is basically a bigger and better Moore. He seems like a perfect guy to groom him. Moore is young, he has credibility, and he probably would be a guy that kids would relate to. Hating the idea of him is strange. There are a lot of positives about him and why he would be a good hire.
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He has one year at OC and not in college.

He has never recruited that I know of and has no connections.

UW fans have PTSD from the Pete coaching tree. Granted, hes not really part of it and granted that a couple of coaches from that tree are really good.

I know there are some good signs here. He was a great college QB. Hes probably a cerebral type who can see through a brick wall given time. An ultra rich, high profile NFL franchise gave him his first OC job so there must be something impressive about him.

I just dont know. It's not an exciting hire for me. Too many questions exist. He might be amazing though.
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The best offense in the country was installed by a guy that had no experience. Joe Brady wasn’t even a position coach. Obviously, a solid track record is preferred, but unless we hire a retread that has been fired and demoted multiple times like Tim Beck, I’m fine with it.

Moore is young and generally unproven, but has been pretty successful and is considered a bright young coach by everyone but the ones with Pete ptsd. The Boise/Pete tree has a variety of coaches. Some really good, some okay, and some bad. It’s always a gamble. It’s not worth getting in a tizzy about because we won’t know if they are any good until sometime next year.
 
Dak got better with Moore.[/b] To go right from player, to QB coach, to coordinator is impressive. You don’t see that often. Obviously he was thought of very highly.

I don’t think he would run Pete’s offense. I would take Monken over him because of Monken’s success at OK State and Southern Miss, but Moore could be really good. It would be a high upside hire.

Huard is basically a bigger and better Moore. He seems like a perfect guy to groom him. Moore is young, he has credibility, and he probably would be a guy that kids would relate to. Hating the idea of him is strange. There are a lot of positives about him and why he would be a good hire.
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More context:
https://twitter.com/notkyrie__/status/1211651157036339207https://twitter.com/notkyrie__/status/1211651157036339207
 
What we need is a OC that can (1) install an effective and explosive offense, (2) make in-game adjustments, and (3) call a game.

Recruiting would be a nice bonus, but that should be the least of our worries for an OC. I would rather we make sure we have an OC that can do those first 3 things than one that can recruit and only has 2 of those 3. Keep in mind that Jimmy Lake is our HC now and will be helping recruit offensive players, and that we have other assistants that can assist with Kellen until he gets his feet under him on the recruiting trail and establishing those relationships with high schools.

If Moore can do those first 3 things in his first year, he will be a successful hire for Lake.
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I don’t give a shit if the OC doesn’t recruit at all. We need the best offense possible. We don’t need him wasting his time recruiting other than sporadically getting on the phone and when the recruits come and visit. The position coaches can recruit and the OC can close them by having a team that is exciting and puts up a lot of points.
 
The OC has to play a role in recruiting. Every offensive player plays for him. Guys with other good offers arent going to a school where they dont know or like the guy in charge of their side of the ball.

It's swell of some of you to point out that ita not his primary job. Clearly anyone mentioning recruiting as a concern needed to be informed of this.
 
The OC has to play a role in recruiting. Every offensive player plays for him. Guys with other good offers arent going to a school where they dont know or like the guy in charge of their side of the ball.

It's swell of some of you to point out that ita not his primary job. Clearly anyone mentioning recruiting as a concern needed to be informed of this.
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Kwat barely recruited as a DC. It’s not their primary job and coordinators always recruit the least, especially on a day to day basis.injust wouldn’t hire an OC based on whether he’s a strong recruiter. That’s dumb.
 
Dak got better with Moore.[/b] To go right from player, to QB coach, to coordinator is impressive. You don’t see that often. Obviously he was thought of very highly.

I don’t think he would run Pete’s offense. I would take Monken over him because of Monken’s success at OK State and Southern Miss, but Moore could be really good. It would be a high upside hire.

Huard is basically a bigger and better Moore. He seems like a perfect guy to groom him. Moore is young, he has credibility, and he probably would be a guy that kids would relate to. Hating the idea of him is strange. There are a lot of positives about him and why he would be a good hire.
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More context:
https://twitter.com/notkyrie__/status/1211651157036339207https://twitter.com/notkyrie__/status/1211651157036339207
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Dak has always been an above average QB and that’s all he is now. To pretend like Kellen Moore made him into something great is wrong. Dak got a little better, but his WR’s got better too and he gained experience.

Moore had a decent year as OC. I think he will probably end up being a good coach, but there isn’t any data that makes him amazing at this point.
 
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Not sure why people hate Kellen Moore. The Cowboys had the 2nd ranked DVOA offense in the league while also having the most dropped passes and a QB who was half retarded at punching it in in the red zone. It’s not a miracle hire by any means but LIPO worthy.

It feels like some people are hoping we hire Bill Bellicheck.
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The fear with Moore is it is more of the same offense. I think he has some of the responsibility for dak developing. If you think dak sucks that would be a reason for concern.

I think he would be good with quarterbacks but i am concerned about him not being super experienced. What would the oline look like snot vs the teams with complicated blitz schemes like Stanford or cu? Bush was in so far over his head.
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Dak is solid overall. He was just shaky in the red zone but as I said still managed to have the 2nd best offense in the NFL. I think his experience is concerning too but he did pretty good in the NFL in his first season does that mean it translates to college? Maybe

I understand skepticism I just don’t understand full blown meltdown. Maybe I read too many of TSIO crew tweets.
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I’ve been away for a long time, but I’m pretty sure the premise of this place has never wavered: Hate everyone and everything until there is reason not to. Then wait for the next mistake and start the hate cycle all over again.

HTH
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Stay... longer this time.
 
If it is Moore, it is definitely LIPO for me.[/b] We don't know what his offense would really look like or if he would be a good recruiter (not that any OC should be a centerpiece recruiter), but he does seem like a rising star in the NFL. I get the concern, but a lot of people in the NFL outside Pete's coaching circle think highly of him.

Monken would have been a home run, but it was a longshot at best. I'm guessing it's going to be someone totally off the radar.
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If it's ANYBODY, it's LIPO for me.

What we need is a OC that can (1) install an effective and explosive offense, (2) make in-game adjustments, and (3) call a game.

Recruiting would be a nice bonus, but that should be the least of our worries for an OC. I would rather we make sure we have an OC that can do those first 3 things than one that can recruit and only has 2 of those 3. Keep in mind that Jimmy Lake is our HC now and will be helping recruit offensive players, and that we have other assistants that can assist with Kellen until he gets his feet under him on the recruiting trail and establishing those relationships with high schools.

If Moore can do those first 3 things in his first year, he will be a successful hire for Lake.
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Agree on all points.

Let's look at this strictly in a Boolean logic sense:

Petersen's offense is shit.
Only some kind of offensive genius could put up ridiculous numbers in Petersen's offense that has killed our boners for three years running.
Kellen Moore put up ridiculous numbers and went undefeated in Pete's FSoffense.
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Kellen Moore is a god and we should hire him. Math, facts, etc.
 
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Dak got better with Moore.[/b] To go right from player, to QB coach, to coordinator is impressive. You don’t see that often. Obviously he was thought of very highly.

I don’t think he would run Pete’s offense. I would take Monken over him because of Monken’s success at OK State and Southern Miss, but Moore could be really good. It would be a high upside hire.

Huard is basically a bigger and better Moore. He seems like a perfect guy to groom him. Moore is young, he has credibility, and he probably would be a guy that kids would relate to. Hating the idea of him is strange. There are a lot of positives about him and why he would be a good hire.
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More context:
https://twitter.com/notkyrie__/status/1211651157036339207https://twitter.com/notkyrie__/status/1211651157036339207
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Yeah, I’m not seeing huge improvement.
 
Dak got better with Moore.[/b] To go right from player, to QB coach, to coordinator is impressive. You don’t see that often. Obviously he was thought of very highly.

I don’t think he would run Pete’s offense. I would take Monken over him because of Monken’s success at OK State and Southern Miss, but Moore could be really good. It would be a high upside hire.

Huard is basically a bigger and better Moore. He seems like a perfect guy to groom him. Moore is young, he has credibility, and he probably would be a guy that kids would relate to. Hating the idea of him is strange. There are a lot of positives about him and why he would be a good hire.
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More context:
https://twitter.com/notkyrie__/status/1211651157036339207https://twitter.com/notkyrie__/status/1211651157036339207
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Yeah, I’m not seeing huge improvement.
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I think he is trying to say that the cowboys had to lean on passing game more this year. Total yards jumped significantly.
 
For those knocking Moore as a recruiter ...

“I coordinated a Top 5 NFL Offense” ... mic drop
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For a team that couldn’t beat anyone good and didn’t make the playoffs. But still ...
 
If Kellen Moore had nothing to do with Pete, people would be excited about him. They would think : great college QB, was given the QB coach job when he was cut, promoted to coordinator after one year. Then, the Cowboys offense performed pretty well in that one year. But because he once played for Pete, he sucks and is a failure.

It’s stupid. A lot of teams (even good ones) would be happy with hiring him as a coordinator. Internet UW fans are not because he has some association with Pete. He has no association when it comes to coaching. I don’t know who they think we are getting as OC.

They spout bullshit like Bama or LSU wouldn’t do this when LSU hired a complete unknown guy (that wasn’t even OC, just brought the spread) and Bama cycles thru OC’s every year. Locksley (one of the worst head coaches in college football), Daboll (fired in KC in 2012, a position coach in the NFL), Sark, etc. I honestly don’t know who would be considered good enough or acceptable for this job. Coordinators are always fired head coaches, guys making a jump from a lower tier school, or guys that are getting a promotion, or guys leaving a bad situation (like Wilcox).

I’m just tired of the complaining just to complain. Complain when the offense sucks. There is nothing to complain about until then or make rash judgements that our program is fucked.
 
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If Kellen Moore had nothing to do with Pete, people would be excited about him. They would think : great college QB, was given the QB coach job when he was cut, promoted to coordinator after one year. Then, the Cowboys offense performed pretty well in that one year. But because he once played for Pete, he sucks and is a failure.

It’s stupid. A lot of teams (even good ones) would be happy with hiring him as a coordinator. Internet UW fans are not because he has some association with Pete. He has no association when it comes to coaching. I don’t know who they think we are getting as OC.

They spout bullshit like Bama or LSU wouldn’t do this when LSU hired a complete unknown guy (that wasn’t even OC, just brought the spread) and Bama cycles thru OC’s every year. Locksley (one of the worst head coaches in college football), Daboll (fired in KC in 2012, a position coach in the NFL), Sark, etc. I honestly don’t know who would be considered good enough or acceptable for this job. Coordinators are always fired head coaches, guys making a jump from a lower tier school, or guys that are getting a promotion, or guys leaving a bad situation (like Wilcox).

I’m just tired of the complaining just to complain. Complain when the offense sucks. There is nothing to complain about until then or make rash judgements that our program is fucked.
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Preach.

Everyone agrees that we need to run a different offense, but I'm with you that I don't understand why everyone assumes hiring Moore means more of the same. It's like everyone against the hire thinks that as an offensive coordinator, you're beholden to run the same offensive scheme you ran as a player in college. Moore has been out of Pete's orbit for 9 years. His dad ran spread option at Prosser. I have no clue if he would be good, but I wouldn't hate the move either.
 
If Kellen Moore had nothing to do with Pete, people would be excited about him. They would think : great college QB, was given the QB coach job when he was cut, promoted to coordinator after one year. Then, the Cowboys offense performed pretty well in that one year. But because he once played for Pete, he sucks and is a failure.

It’s stupid. A lot of teams (even good ones) would be happy with hiring him as a coordinator. Internet UW fans are not because he has some association with Pete. He has no association when it comes to coaching. I don’t know who they think we are getting as OC.

They spout bullshit like Bama or LSU wouldn’t do this when LSU hired a complete unknown guy (that wasn’t even OC, just brought the spread) and Bama cycles thru OC’s every year. Locksley (one of the worst head coaches in college football), Daboll (fired in KC in 2012, a position coach in the NFL), Sark, etc. I honestly don’t know who would be considered good enough or acceptable for this job. Coordinators are always fired head coaches, guys making a jump from a lower tier school, or guys that are getting a promotion, or guys leaving a bad situation (like Wilcox).

I’m just tired of the complaining just to complain. Complain when the offense sucks. There is nothing to complain about until then or make rash judgements that our program is fucked.
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did the cowboys make the playoffs? there was a material drop off in offensive production when cowboys played decent teams. so forgive if we are skeptical off him. he has too much of a pete stench for my liking.
 
I would be fine with hiring Moore. The association with Pete thing is FS as FS gets. Win the conference every few years, put yourself in position to have a shot at a playoff spot and maybe.....just maybe...win a natty once every 30 decades. Or we can be the fan base that expects natties every year and when we don't get it, we act like complete pricks and make the program a faith based dooged out aids shelter

So, yeah, LIPO
 
I would be fine with hiring Moore. The association with Pete thing is FS as FS gets. Win the conference every few years, put yourself in position to have a shot at a playoff spot and maybe.....just maybe...win a natty once every 30 decades. Or we can be the fan base that expects natties every year and when we don't get it, we act like complete pricks and make the program a faith based dooged out aids shelter

So, yeah, LIPO
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if pete had a somewhat of a decent offense we would have won the conference 4 years in a row
 
If Kellen Moore had nothing to do with Pete, people would be excited about him. They would think : great college QB, was given the QB coach job when he was cut, promoted to coordinator after one year. Then, the Cowboys offense performed pretty well in that one year. But because he once played for Pete, he sucks and is a failure.

It’s stupid. A lot of teams (even good ones) would be happy with hiring him as a coordinator. Internet UW fans are not because he has some association with Pete. He has no association when it comes to coaching. I don’t know who they think we are getting as OC.

They spout bullshit like Bama or LSU wouldn’t do this when LSU hired a complete unknown guy (that wasn’t even OC, just brought the spread) and Bama cycles thru OC’s every year. Locksley (one of the worst head coaches in college football), Daboll (fired in KC in 2012, a position coach in the NFL), Sark, etc. I honestly don’t know who would be considered good enough or acceptable for this job. Coordinators are always fired head coaches, guys making a jump from a lower tier school, or guys that are getting a promotion, or guys leaving a bad situation (like Wilcox).

I’m just tired of the complaining just to complain. Complain when the offense sucks. There is nothing to complain about until then or make rash judgements that our program is fucked.
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did the cowboys make the playoffs? there was a material drop off in offensive production when cowboys played decent teams. so forgive if we are skeptical off him. he has too much of a pete stench for my liking.
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That fine, but we are gonna Doog about the OC if the Browns and Bucs that never made the playoffs? Tbh, I want Monken over Moore, but it’s all stupid.
 
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