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Massive GOP fail last night. The loveable losers continue to find ways to Coug it.

The red wave turned into a ripple. If you can't beat a vegetable in PA then you need better candidates.

I never really bought the narrative that there was going to be this giant red tsunami and we would flip Colorado or punt Patty Murray out, or grab the Governors mansion in NY. But, I did expect sizeable pickups in the House. Doesn't look like it will happen.

I always had the Senate as a tough flip, despite all the conservative pundits rosy prognostications the last few days, and that appears to be playing out.

When the most important issue on voters minds are Inflation/Economy, Crime and the Border, and all the exit polling shows large majorities trust the GOP more than the Dems and Biden on those issues by large margins, and you still can't put up a huge win, you got problems. There will almost never be a better opportunity to absolutely smash the DNC - Biden is low 40's in approval, crime is surging and the border is a mess (and few trust the Dems to fix it). Inflation is at 40 year highs, and based on exit polling most voters correctly attribute that to Biden/Dems, and you STILL can't capitalize.

Why?

I don't know. I'm not smart enough to say why the GOP didn't clean up in an environment that was set up perfectly for huge wins. I think candidate quality matters, and Oz and Walker were not great candidates (although Warnock and Fettertard are simply awful).

I do think, and this will not be popular here, that at the national level in big elections Trump is toxic and a net drag on the party. Yeah yeah I know he has supported lots of winning candidates, but special elections and other small timey shit doesn't move the needle. Every time we need a big win since 2020 he doesn't deliver. Lots of reasons for this mostly centered on machine politics, big tech lunacy and a corrupt media establishment who has lied about him for 6 straight years, but at this point it's just complaining about the refs. None of that stuff is going to change. Big tech, the media and the election machine is tilted against him and it isn't changing now or ever. Sometimes you have to be able to win in the rain. I voted for Trump twice, and will vote for him again if he is the guy in 2024, but I have serious reservations on if he is electable in this environment with the way the deck is stacked.

On the other hand, the one bright spot for the night was DeathSantis. Truly historic win in Florida. A Nazi won Dade fucking county. Let that sink in for a minute. If you can't see the magnitude of that you are blind. My lesson from last night is Dump Trump and go all in on Ron. He's a winner with a proven track record and is winning in places the GOP has no business even competing. Plus policy wise he is Trump without all the baggage, yet still a fighter that we all know you have to be to deal with Pravda day in and day out. I will always appreciate what Trump did to savage the corrupt media and at least pay lip service to the Swamp, but we need a new direction. Last night, nationally, was a still birth. Coug'ed it hard.

DeSantis is the guy. For me.
 
Not GOP FAIL TRUMP FAIL Trump will lose 2024 if he is the candidate...book it.

Like you said all hail Ron!
 
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First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
 
First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
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There were some great candidates. There were some duds. But, on balance, the GOP coug'ed it hard and you have to wonder why that is. I mentioned machine politics, which I think you termed corruption (we agree to some extent here). Why is Kari Lake in such a fight against that sack of turds Dem? It should not be close in this environment when almost all the issues are stacked in favor of the GOP, and yet here we are. I am not saying I have the answer, in fact I said that when I first started typing in the OP, but to not completely obliterate the Dems in this environment is a massive fail and I think a serious post-mortem of why needs to be considered here. I don't think it is all Trump, but I don't think it is all corruption or the media either. Miami-Dade county is as corrupt Dem machine politics as it gets, and Ron won it last night. Winners win. Losers complain about the refs.
 
You make some good points. The GOP and SC did not help the cause, some bad candidates, etc. However, if you do a deeper dive, you find the real culprit: It is politics over country. Rats never cared about homelessness, the economy, inflation or the open borders.

Do any of you feel foolish? We believed that this was all about inflation, the border, homelessness, the economy. If it had been, Reps would own everything.

The independents made sure that the House went Rep. That might be the last time that happens. You can't raise 6 decades of children to hate your country and not tip the scales permanently.

NY? MI? PA? OR? WA? CA? AZ? etc. They all stayed the course and want more of the same shit. They could care less about murder, homelessness, the economy, inflation. They just voted for more of it. They created the problems and see nothing wrong with it.

The OR governor's race will be won by a screeching liberal who will simply promise more of the same shit. Hatred for police, more homelessness, more violence, more emboldened antifa. Rats simply don't care about the violence, inflation or homelessness; it is politics over country.

Stacey Abrams got a ton of votes. She hates the police, literally stalled the GA economy by accusing her fellow Georgians of being racist and chasing the MLB All Star game away and saying goodbye to several hundred million to the city and its people. Has gotten rich off of her donations, believes in open borders, and spends time in virtually every public engagement telling anyone who will listen how racist this country is. Think about that. A rat who literally hates the country and believes the majority are racist came that close to running the state. There was a time she would have had David Duke 2% type vote totals, not today. Oh, and almost half the fucking state who voted for that grifting liar? They clearly don't care about the economy, inflation, open borders or defunding the police. They only care about their politics and the power it brings to control even more of people's lives.

I love the diversity of our state but hate the fact that the people moving in are politics over country. They move to GA because it is a vibrant state that is healthy economically. Its healthy because of Republican Governors who put the state and its people first. Kemp was a leader when he opened the schools and the state up during covid. Yet, the minorities who have moved here by the millions over the past couple of decades will vote for the candidates who hate the state, will kill the economy and further fuck up Atlanta which is already high in crime and murder.

Ironically, Kemp won. There was very little cross over vote. He was put in place by Reps and Independents. He is literally the only thing standing between GA being a bigger liberal hell hole. The next election cycle we will see a black rat Governor. The Kemps of the world are dying off and all we are left with are rats who after having taken over the schools and local and state governments will finally win the trifecta and control this state to the point of ruin.

Politics over country.

 
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DeSantis is a slam dunk for rational people but even he would have a very difficult time in a presidential election. The entire west coast and northeast have an impenetrable democrat machines in place. Biden and Fetterman are proof it literally doesn’t matter who they run. They can manufacture whatever vote tally they need.
First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
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There were some great candidates. There were some duds. But, on balance, the GOP coug'ed it hard and you have to wonder why that is. I mentioned machine politics, which I think you termed corruption (we agree to some extent here). Why is Kari Lake in such a fight against that sack of turds Dem? It should not be close in this environment when almost all the issues are stacked in favor of the GOP, and yet here we are. I am not saying I have the answer, in fact I said that when I first started typing in the OP, but to not completely obliterate the Dems in this environment is a massive fail and I think a serious post-mortem of why needs to be considered here. I don't think it is all Trump, but I don't think it is all corruption or the media either. Miami-Dade county is as corrupt Dem machine politics as it gets, and Ron won it last night. Winners win. Losers complain about the refs.
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Florida tightened up their election laws, which I believe contributed to DeFutures victory in areas democrats have long controlled and I mean control in every sense of the word. DeSantis is truly a slam dunk candidate but without election integrity, who knows. He did almost lose to an extremely corrupt socialist in the prior election cycle.

You mention Lake and what should be a slam dunk win for her now running mysteriously tight. What’s going on with the voting machines in Maricopa County? I agree with you regarding machine politics, but that includes some very shady elements at the very least. The democrat party is ridiculously well funded and adept at controlling elections via all possible mechanisms including narrative control via all forms of media and manufacturing votes when they need them via ballot harvesting and so on. Look no further than Biden and Fetterman for proof.

Having said all that, the best thing the GOP can do is focus on the micro political scene, continue to enlist momma bears in flipping local government seats including those on school boards, and do what they can to shore up elections. We still have a system that is far too susceptible to fraud. Beyond that, back DeFuture. He gets this and a great deal more. He’s a winner.
 
roe v wade and trump hurt the repubs. until they drop the hardcore pro life shit youll never convince me they care about winning. trump needs to go
 
roe v wade and trump hurt the repubs. until they drop the hardcore pro life shit youll never convince me they care about winning. trump needs to go
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Exactly
 
Democrats turned it over on their own 5yd line and the GOP proceeded to get 4 false starts in a town before kicking a FG to go to OT.
 
Good analysis Swaye. I have no problem with DeSantis taking over. I also have little hope that changes much. Wild west mail in voting for a month is baked in now. The GOP no Trump candidates that did win are weak and ineffective and will go along

24 will be special for the GOP and the DAWGS

The democrats do what they are told and Gen Z are functional morons. The GOP clutches pears and wants to be liked.

Same old shit

At least we had 2016 and 1980
 
You make some good points. The GOP and SC did not help the cause, some bad candidates, etc. However, if you do a deeper dive, you find the real culprit: It is politics over country. Rats never cared about homelessness, the economy, inflation or the open borders.

Do any of you feel foolish? We believed that this was all about inflation, the border, homelessness, the economy. If it had been, Reps would own everything.

The independents made sure that the House went Rep. That might be the last time that happens. You can't raise 6 decades of children to hate your country and not tip the scales permanently.

NY? MI? PA? OR? WA? CA? AZ? etc. They all stayed the course and want more of the same shit. They could care less about murder, homelessness, the economy, inflation. They just voted for more of it. They created the problems and see nothing wrong with it.

The OR governor's race will be won by a screeching liberal who will simply promise more of the same shit. Hatred for police, more homelessness, more violence, more emboldened antifa. Rats simply don't care about the violence, inflation or homelessness; it is politics over country.

Stacey Abrams got a ton of votes. She hates the police, literally stalled the GA economy by accusing her fellow Georgians of being racist and chasing the MLB All Star game away and saying goodbye to several hundred million to the city and its people. Has gotten rich off of her donations, believes in open borders, and spends time in virtually every public engagement telling anyone who will listen how racist this country is. Think about that. A rat who literally hates the country and believes the majority are racist came that close to running the state. There was a time she would have had David Duke 2% type vote totals, not today. Oh, and almost half the fucking state who voted for that grifting liar? They clearly don't care about the economy, inflation, open borders or defunding the police. They only care about their politics and the power it brings to control even more of people's lives.

I love the diversity of our state but hate the fact that the people moving in are politics over country. They move to GA because it is a vibrant state that is healthy economically. Its healthy because of Republican Governors who put the state and its people first. Kemp was a leader when he opened the schools and the state up during covid. Yet, the minorities who have moved here by the millions over the past couple of decades will vote for the candidates who hate the state, will kill the economy and further fuck up Atlanta which is already high in crime and murder.

Ironically, Kemp won. There was very little cross over vote. He was put in place by Reps and Independents. He is literally the only thing standing between GA being a bigger liberal hell hole. The next election cycle we will see a black rat Governor. The Kemps of the world are dying off and all we are left with are rats who after having taken over the schools and local and state governments will finally win the trifecta and control this state to the point of ruin.

Politics over country.
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The Oregon race for Gov is a prime example of Libs not actually wanting problems fixed. In Multnomah Co. the D was up over the R by 100K votes. The County with the most problems goes D because.

 
DeSantis is a slam dunk for rational people but even he would have a very difficult time in a presidential election. The entire west coast and northeast have an impenetrable democrat machines in place. Biden and Fetterman are proof it literally doesn’t matter who they run. They can manufacture whatever vote tally they need.
First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
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There were some great candidates. There were some duds. But, on balance, the GOP coug'ed it hard and you have to wonder why that is. I mentioned machine politics, which I think you termed corruption (we agree to some extent here). Why is Kari Lake in such a fight against that sack of turds Dem? It should not be close in this environment when almost all the issues are stacked in favor of the GOP, and yet here we are. I am not saying I have the answer, in fact I said that when I first started typing in the OP, but to not completely obliterate the Dems in this environment is a massive fail and I think a serious post-mortem of why needs to be considered here. I don't think it is all Trump, but I don't think it is all corruption or the media either. Miami-Dade county is as corrupt Dem machine politics as it gets, and Ron won it last night. Winners win. Losers complain about the refs.
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Florida tightened up their election laws, which I believe contributed to DeFutures victory in areas democrats have long controlled and I mean control in every sense of the word. DeSantis is truly a slam dunk candidate but without election integrity, who knows. He did almost lose to an extremely corrupt socialist in the prior election cycle.

You mention Lake and what should be a slam dunk win for her now running mysteriously tight. What’s going on with the voting machines in Maricopa County? I agree with you regarding machine politics, but that includes some very shady elements at the very least. The democrat party is ridiculously well funded and adept at controlling elections via all possible mechanisms including narrative control via all forms of media and manufacturing votes when they need them via ballot harvesting and so on. Look no further than Biden and Fetterman for proof.

Having said all that, the best thing the GOP can do is focus on the micro political scene, continue to enlist momma bears in flipping local government seats including those on school boards, and do what they can to shore up elections. We still have a system that is far too susceptible to fraud. Beyond that, back DeFuture. He gets this and a great deal more. He’s a winner.
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This. 2000 caused Florida to clean up its elections and it has tilted further and further red since.

Don't count on that at the national level. The machine is just warming up against DeathSantis.

You think all those intelligence agencies that signed off on hunters laptop being Russian disinfo know a thing or two about election engineering?
 
First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
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There were some great candidates. There were some duds. But, on balance, the GOP coug'ed it hard and you have to wonder why that is. I mentioned machine politics, which I think you termed corruption (we agree to some extent here). Why is Kari Lake in such a fight against that sack of turds Dem? It should not be close in this environment when almost all the issues are stacked in favor of the GOP, and yet here we are. I am not saying I have the answer, in fact I said that when I first started typing in the OP, but to not completely obliterate the Dems in this environment is a massive fail and I think a serious post-mortem of why needs to be considered here. I don't think it is all Trump, but I don't think it is all corruption or the media either. Miami-Dade county is as corrupt Dem machine politics as it gets, and Ron won it last night. Winners win. Losers complain about the refs.
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We can never know what the actual results were. We have machines we know cheat and mail in ballots that are sent everywhere to everyone and they pay people to drop them.

No one will address all the voting irregularities or do anything to stop them as the majority of election officials seem top be on the left or corrupt.

The numbers do not have to be gigantic with cheating to swing the elections.

Sad but this is where we are.
 
I'm on bored but the left will do to DeSantis what they've done to every other savior in the last 40 years. If and when he runs, he will become just as toxic. At what point do you draw the line and fight like hell?
 
First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
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There were some great candidates. There were some duds. But, on balance, the GOP coug'ed it hard and you have to wonder why that is. I mentioned machine politics, which I think you termed corruption (we agree to some extent here). Why is Kari Lake in such a fight against that sack of turds Dem? It should not be close in this environment when almost all the issues are stacked in favor of the GOP, and yet here we are. I am not saying I have the answer, in fact I said that when I first started typing in the OP, but to not completely obliterate the Dems in this environment is a massive fail and I think a serious post-mortem of why needs to be considered here. I don't think it is all Trump, but I don't think it is all corruption or the media either. Miami-Dade county is as corrupt Dem machine politics as it gets, and Ron won it last night. Winners win. Losers complain about the refs.
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TeamMAGA has now gone through four election cycles, and it's not been great for the last three. This might surprise @RaceBannon but I abhor style over substance. And yet, perhaps because of that, I can understand that mindset a little. "No mean tweets" is a funny meme because it gets at something true and dumb. But at some point, results matter. This isn't working anymore. Objectively, it appears completely reasonable to call Trumpism as an electoral flash in the pan. A political novelty. What the wildcat was to the NFL 10 years ago. If this keeps up, MAGA will be doing exactly what it accuses the mainstream GOP of doing: Losing for profit. "We got screwed!!!! Send money."
 
First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
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There were some great candidates. There were some duds. But, on balance, the GOP coug'ed it hard and you have to wonder why that is. I mentioned machine politics, which I think you termed corruption (we agree to some extent here). Why is Kari Lake in such a fight against that sack of turds Dem? It should not be close in this environment when almost all the issues are stacked in favor of the GOP, and yet here we are. I am not saying I have the answer, in fact I said that when I first started typing in the OP, but to not completely obliterate the Dems in this environment is a massive fail and I think a serious post-mortem of why needs to be considered here. I don't think it is all Trump, but I don't think it is all corruption or the media either. Miami-Dade county is as corrupt Dem machine politics as it gets, and Ron won it last night. Winners win. Losers complain about the refs.
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TeamMAGA has now gone through four election cycles, and it's not been great for the last three. This might surprise @RaceBannon but I abhor style over substance. And yet, perhaps because of that, I can understand that mindset a little. "No mean tweets" is a funny meme because it gets at something true and dumb. But at some point, results matter. This isn't working anymore. Objectively, it appears completely reasonable to call Trumpism as an electoral flash in the pan. A political novelty. What the wildcat was to the NFL 10 years ago. If this keeps up, MAGA will be doing exactly what it accuses the mainstream GOP of doing: Losing for profit. "We got screwed!!!! Send money."
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The send money part is already true. We definitely need a reset and nice things, but won't get them.
 
First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
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There were some great candidates. There were some duds. But, on balance, the GOP coug'ed it hard and you have to wonder why that is. I mentioned machine politics, which I think you termed corruption (we agree to some extent here). Why is Kari Lake in such a fight against that sack of turds Dem? It should not be close in this environment when almost all the issues are stacked in favor of the GOP, and yet here we are. I am not saying I have the answer, in fact I said that when I first started typing in the OP, but to not completely obliterate the Dems in this environment is a massive fail and I think a serious post-mortem of why needs to be considered here. I don't think it is all Trump, but I don't think it is all corruption or the media either. Miami-Dade county is as corrupt Dem machine politics as it gets, and Ron won it last night. Winners win. Losers complain about the refs.
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TeamMAGA has now gone through four election cycles, and it's not been great for the last three. This might surprise @RaceBannon but I abhor style over substance. And yet, perhaps because of that, I can understand that mindset a little. "No mean tweets" is a funny meme because it gets at something true and dumb. But at some point, results matter. This isn't working anymore. Objectively, it appears completely reasonable to call Trumpism as an electoral flash in the pan. A political novelty. What the wildcat was to the NFL 10 years ago. If this keeps up, MAGA will be doing exactly what it accuses the mainstream GOP of doing: Losing for profit. "We got screwed!!!! Send money."
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Joe Biden calls his opponents terrorists

Somehow that's just dandy

The reaction to Trumpism has been unlike anything ever seen. If no one wants to fight for the economy or the borders or energy or staying out of wars then have at it

That's what the left doesn't want on the ballot. The democrats can run a pedophile but tweets are the problem

I'm not buying any of that. And I never will

 
First of all, there is still some LIPO involved here

Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.

Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.

Corruption runs rampant in America.
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There were some great candidates. There were some duds. But, on balance, the GOP coug'ed it hard and you have to wonder why that is. I mentioned machine politics, which I think you termed corruption (we agree to some extent here). Why is Kari Lake in such a fight against that sack of turds Dem? It should not be close in this environment when almost all the issues are stacked in favor of the GOP, and yet here we are. I am not saying I have the answer, in fact I said that when I first started typing in the OP, but to not completely obliterate the Dems in this environment is a massive fail and I think a serious post-mortem of why needs to be considered here. I don't think it is all Trump, but I don't think it is all corruption or the media either. Miami-Dade county is as corrupt Dem machine politics as it gets, and Ron won it last night. Winners win. Losers complain about the refs.
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TeamMAGA has now gone through four election cycles, and it's not been great for the last three. This might surprise @RaceBannon but I abhor style over substance. And yet, perhaps because of that, I can understand that mindset a little. "No mean tweets" is a funny meme because it gets at something true and dumb. But at some point, results matter. This isn't working anymore. Objectively, it appears completely reasonable to call Trumpism as an electoral flash in the pan. A political novelty. What the wildcat was to the NFL 10 years ago. If this keeps up, MAGA will be doing exactly what it accuses the mainstream GOP of doing: Losing for profit. "We got screwed!!!! Send money."
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So "compassionate conservatism" is the solution? No offense but that gets us the establishment, bigger government and war. I hope what you and the rest of the 97 are saying is give smater Trump a try. The Bush approach isn't the answer imo.
 
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