Murray and Chriss Sell the Couch

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

 

[dnc]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

 

[Tequilla]

Athletic ability is great in basketball ... but at the end of the day, you always take the more skilled player if the difference in athletic ability isn't significant.

 

[TurdBomber]

Flop them out, measure, and congratulate the winner. I see no other way to end this thread.

And besides, Tequila owes us a fucking podcast! Don't be his excuse for keeping him from it. Teq: Drop that fucker!

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

 

[dnc]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

 

[dnc]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

 

[dnc]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.

Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.

Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.

Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.

Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.

Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UW

And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference

 

[HuskyInAZ]

Chriss' issues are between the ears. 6.5 fouls per 40 minutes is horrific. Jones, on the other hand, averaged 3.2 fouls per 40 minutes at Kentucky.

No matter how athletic you are, if you don't have BB IQ, you will struggle in the NBA.

 

[dnc]

Chriss' issues are between the ears. 6.5 fouls per 40 minutes is horrific. Jones, on the other hand, averaged 3.2 fouls per 40 minutes at Kentucky.

No matter how athletic you are, if you don't have BB IQ, you will struggle in the NBA.

I don't know how much of this is mental and how much is just physical inexperience in the game, but the fouling issue is by far his biggest problem. We'll see if the NBA can coach some of that out of him. He did seem to be better as a whole as the year went on, last game notwithstanding. I think he can improve, the question is how much?

 

[ThomasFremont]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.

Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.

Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.

Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UW

And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference

I'm not saying this is true, but if it is, it's because his team kept throwing ridiculous lobs that only he could get.

 

[HuskyInAZ]

Chriss' issues are between the ears. 6.5 fouls per 40 minutes is horrific. Jones, on the other hand, averaged 3.2 fouls per 40 minutes at Kentucky.

No matter how athletic you are, if you don't have BB IQ, you will struggle in the NBA.

I don't know how much of this is mental and how much is just physical inexperience in the game, but the fouling issue is by far his biggest problem. We'll see if the NBA can coach some of that out of him. He did seem to be better as a whole as the year went on, last game notwithstanding. I think he can improve, the question is how much?

I think it's 80% mental. That includes experience, which he does not have. Physically, he has great feet. His shot is not flawed. His anticipation is dang good. He just brain farts way too much on what you and I would call the simple stuff.

If he learns the game and puts that learning to use, he has a chance to be special in the NBA.

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.

Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.

Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.

Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UW

And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference

I'm not saying this is true, but if it is, it's because his team kept throwing ridiculous lobs that only he could get.

I seem to recall Ross getting lobs no one else could get as well. You guys are fucking hilarious. But just like Bennet making it past the Sweet 16, I guess we will see when they test his vertical at the combine and it's not 40+

 

[ThomasFremont]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.

Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.

Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.

Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UW

And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference

I'm not saying this is true, but if it is, it's because his team kept throwing ridiculous lobs that only he could get.

I seem to recall Ross getting lobs no one else could get as well. You guys are fucking hilarious. But just like Bennet making it past the Sweet 16, I guess we will see when they test his vertical at the combine and it's not 40+

Vertical is not the only measurement of athleticism.

HTH

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.

Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.

Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.

Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UW

And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference

I'm not saying this is true, but if it is, it's because his team kept throwing ridiculous lobs that only he could get.

I seem to recall Ross getting lobs no one else could get as well. You guys are fucking hilarious. But just like Bennet making it past the Sweet 16, I guess we will see when they test his vertical at the combine and it's not 40+

Vertical is not the only measurement of athleticism.

HTH

Terrance Jones:

"Extremely well put together frame for a 19-year old with broad, burly shoulders ... His wingspan is outrageous allowing him to rebound out of his area (8.7 reb), block shots at their apex (1.9 blk) and get his hands into passing lanes (1.1 stl) ... Length, lateral mobility and quickness off the deck make him a versatile force on the defensive end and on both backboards ... Instant fast break potential with his ability to handle and push the rock in transition ... "

Now we will see if they give Chriss a 9 or 10 in athleticism.... Highly doubt it. We see they gave Jones an 8 on his pre draft assessment with size and Athleticism being his best attributes by draft scouts. So it's just FS to rave about Chriss and his "superior" athletic ability and superior vertical leap

 

[dnc]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.

Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.

Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.

Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UW

And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference

I'm not saying this is true, but if it is, it's because his team kept throwing ridiculous lobs that only he could get.

I seem to recall Ross getting lobs no one else could get as well. You guys are fucking hilarious. But just like Bennet making it past the Sweet 16, I guess we will see when they test his vertical at the combine and it's not 40+

Vertical is not the only measurement of athleticism.

HTH

Terrance Jones:

"Extremely well put together frame for a 19-year old with broad, burly shoulders ... His wingspan is outrageous allowing him to rebound out of his area (8.7 reb), block shots at their apex (1.9 blk) and get his hands into passing lanes (1.1 stl) ... Length, lateral mobility and quickness off the deck make him a versatile force on the defensive end and on both backboards ... Instant fast break potential with his ability to handle and push the rock in transition ... "

Now we will see if they give Chriss a 9 or 10 in athleticism.... Highly doubt it. We see they gave Jones an 8 on his pre draft assessment with size and Athleticism being his best attributes by draft scouts. So it's just FS to rave about Chriss and his "superior" athletic ability and superior vertical leap

Who is "they"?

 

[dnc]

Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.

Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combine

Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.

Jones is more skilled, no argument there.

How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so much

First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability

You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?

Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.

If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.

The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.

Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for it

I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.

And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.

The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.

True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.

I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk

Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.

Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.

Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.

Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UW

And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference

I'm not saying this is true, but if it is, it's because his team kept throwing ridiculous lobs that only he could get.

I seem to recall Ross getting lobs no one else could get as well. You guys are fucking hilarious. But just like Bennet making it past the Sweet 16, I guess we will see when they test his vertical at the combine and it's not 40+

I never said Bennett wouldn't make it past the Sweet 16, nor that Chriss would vert over 40+. OTOH, I did say Kasen wouldn't catch a red zone TD this year. And I did say Chriss is significantly more athletic than Jones, and he is. And I'm right again.