Murray and Chriss Sell the Couch

It silly to argue that one-and-dones didn't set back the UW program. The school and remaining team does not get the ROI from the player in years 2 through 4. That's an open roster spot, formerly occupied by the one-and-done, who was obviously valuable to the team and skilled enough to leave early. Some programs have the depth and talent remaining on the team or being recruited to absorb the loss without much impact. UW has none of that. Hawes was good, but not Welp or McCullough good, so was it worth having a 7 footer for one year that won't develop into a dominant player as he ages up with the team? For the UW, I'd say no.

For the Romar-haters, one-and-dones have been a shot of adrenaline to a dying patient. They may have prolonged Romar's career by masking the true weaknesses of those teams. How bad would the Hawes team have been without him? Enough for heads to roll?

The UW one-and-dones have also fostered the fast and loose, gym rat play from kids who can't hit their free throws, turn the ball over a lot (Wroten), don't defend well and can't beat mature teams. If you want to see a repeat of what we saw this year, by all means, recruit more one-and-dones who can dunk alley oops awesomely, but can't beat Utah.

And fuck all your down votes. I'm tired of this one-and-done shit. If you're not going to commit to the program, go lose your training wheels somewhere else.

Blaming one and done players for the faults in the program is king doog level fucking stupid.

4 and 5 year players don't dictate the culture of a program with the same HC for 14 years. A player that stays on campus for 8 months sure as fuck doesn't either.

But great slave master mentality.

You clearly missed the post that I made earlier in the week that showed over 70% of the starters for the Sweet 16 teams being juniors and seniors.

You can say it is FS all you want ... but the stats are the stats.

Ummm, that's not the point. Nobody is saying older players aren't valuable.

The point is that one and done talent is also valuable. Are you really arguing Turd's point that we? should never take one and done players at UW??? If so, you're an idiot. If not, you missed the point of my response to his post.

You can blame roster composition, timing, etc., for the poor results of one and done players at UW, but ultimately it comes down to UW being one of the worst programs at utilizing young NBA caliber talent.

That's the fault of one person, not a type of player.
 
If you can't surround the one and dones with the right players ... it's not worth recruiting said players.

Yes, it ultimately comes back to Romar.

A lot of the guys that have left early aren't really good enough to leave early. But if they get paid then they get paid.

 
If you can't surround the one and dones with the right players ... it's not worth recruiting said players.

Yes, it ultimately comes back to Romar.

A lot of the guys that have left early aren't really good enough to leave early. But if they get paid then they get paid.

If they get paid then they are good enough to leave early.

A good coach knows how to blend one and done talent with 4 year players. You are being such a doog right now.

Apparently to win at Washington it is required to have the perfect roster of almost NBA ready upperclassmen. Oh, and they need to play at sea level and all the other reasons it's hard to win at Washington.
 
You clearly missed the post that I made earlier in the week that showed over 70% of the starters for the Sweet 16 teams being juniors and seniors.

You can say it is FS all you want ... but the stats are the stats.

Oregon had the same percentage of upperclassmen starters in their last game as did UW
 
You clearly missed the post that I made earlier in the week that showed over 70% of the starters for the Sweet 16 teams being juniors and seniors.

You can say it is FS all you want ... but the stats are the stats.

Oregon had the same percentage of upperclassmen starters in their last game as did UW

Backcourt is key in the tournament. Oklahoma had SR, SR, JR, scoring 61 points today. Oregon had SO, SO, FR, scoring 23. Maybe, just maybe, @Tequilla's point has some validity.
 
You clearly missed the post that I made earlier in the week that showed over 70% of the starters for the Sweet 16 teams being juniors and seniors.

You can say it is FS all you want ... but the stats are the stats.

Oregon had the same percentage of upperclassmen starters in their last game as did UW

Backcourt is key in the tournament. Oklahoma had SR, SR, JR, scoring 61 points today. Oregon had SO, SO, FR, scoring 23. Maybe, just maybe, @Tequilla's point has some validity.

That upperclassmen are generally better than freshman? Crazy point he's making.

Let's employ the strategy of telling the best recruits to go elsewhere because they will only make the program worse. If you have a vertical over 30 inches, fuck you. McDonald's AA, fuck you. Fringe five/four star, fuck you.

We'll keep importing guys from Chino Hills Indiana JC and Belgium instead.
 
It's a poor draft year which in large part is why Murray and Chriss are likely assured of being first round picks ...

I could go do another study of what percentage of 1st rounders actually make it to have successful NBA careers ... just because you are a 1st rounder doesn't mean you are guaranteed to have a lengthy career.

My point is really simple ... just because you can leave early and get drafted to the NBA doesn't mean that you are ready to play in the NBA. It's great that you can get your first contract ... but if you really want to get paid in the NBA (particularly with the current CBA) it's all about getting paid as much as possible for your second contract. If you are spending the balance of your first contract riding the bus between the end of the bench at the NBA level and the D League, you're not maxing out your potential for your second contract.

But then again, most people are shortsighted like that.
 
Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.
 
Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
 
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Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

But Chriss is going to get paid in the NBA therefore he's making the right decision ... or so I hear

You are either ready or not ... the money will be there if you are good enough
 
Another year after next for Romar, regardless of outcome, unless they hire someone other than Jen Cohen

I can already hear it now. "He lost his 3 best players, you can't expect him to make the tourney after that!"

Kill me.

I actually think people are starting to at least question Romar now. There are still plenty of sheep though.
 
Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college

Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.

I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.

I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.

Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.
 
Nobody is questioning Chriss's ability

The problem is that he can't stay on the court without fouling. That won't keep you on the court. That gets you down to the D League.

What most people miss about the NBA is that what separates you is your mastering of the fundamentals. Chriss's fundamentals right now absolutely suck.

The NBA is full of talented players ... many of them end up playing in Europe. They don't have time to babysit there ... both Murray and Chriss will need babysitting.
 
Nobody is questioning Chriss's ability

The problem is that he can't stay on the court without fouling. That won't keep you on the court. That gets you down to the D League.

What most people miss about the NBA is that what separates you is your mastering of the fundamentals. Chriss's fundamentals right now absolutely suck.

The NBA is full of talented players ... many of them end up playing in Europe. They don't have time to babysit there ... both Murray and Chriss will need babysitting.

Could you sound anymore old, bitter and white?
 
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