Mike Martin only has it half right

[Tequilla]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.

Who would UW have gotten after 2007 that they couldn't get in 2008?

For as much as I have disdain for Sark ... being able to pull in a coordinator from a top program like USC and immediately being able to start the shift back in recruiting positioned UW for the success that they had under Pete.

 

[dnc]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.

Who would UW have gotten after 2007 that they couldn't get in 2008?

For as much as I have disdain for Sark ... being able to pull in a coordinator from a top program like USC and immediately being able to start the shift back in recruiting positioned UW for the success that they had under Pete.

Doesn't sound like you have disdain for Sark.

 

[RaceBannon]

@Tequilla still wants to take the gloves off I see

 

[seatownfunk]

@Tequilla still wants to take the gloves off I see

Sounds like he is still quite happy that he doesn't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation.

 

[AtomicDawg]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

Just when you think it couldn’t get any lower, it did. It’s a really weird argument to make but par for the course. Not sure what you’re trying to justify.

 

[AtomicDawg]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.

Who would UW have gotten after 2007 that they couldn't get in 2008?

For as much as I have disdain for Sark ... being able to pull in a coordinator from a top program like USC and immediately being able to start the shift back in recruiting positioned UW for the success that they had under Pete.

Sounds like you didn’t think uw just hit a home run…. It was a grand slam.

 

[chuck]

Hh

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.

That could've/should've been OK though. There are always guys like Deboer out there if one looks hard enough. If big hires were out of reach they still could've made a little hire who was kicking ass at whatever he was doing. Sark was a nobody riding Carrol's coat tails.

They just didn't put in due diligence, or any diligence, when they chose Sarkisian rather than someone with a track record.

 

[dnc]

Hh

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.

That could've/should've been OK though. There are always guys like Deboer out there if one looks hard enough. If big hires were out of reach they still could've made a little hire who was kicking ass at whatever he was doing. Sark was a nobody riding Carrol's coat tails.

They just didn't put in due diligence, or any diligence, when they chose Sarkisian rather than someone with a track record.

I honestly don't disagree

 

[whlinder]

I mean it was only 10 years earlier that we big dicked Colorado and hired their coach away. Colorado, which at the time was a GOOD program and had natty'd a couple of years before we did.
Owen-12 meant we had to take an unproven coordinator. We had previously only hired head coaches with success (Tyrone took Stanford to a Rose Bowl!) or promoted our coordinators internally after some serious success.

At least we got back to hiring good head coaches or promoting coordinators.

 

[DerekJohnson]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

Five years of Sark mediocrity as we put an alcoholic philanderer in charge of Woodward's "orphaned kids", if we're going to be painfully blunt.

 

[DerekJohnson]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.

Woodward said that Petersen wouldn't even return his call in late 2008

 

[RaceBannon]

Firing Rick in June changed everything for UW

Not that he would have been great but it set the Gilby Ty disaster in motion

Consider that Babs did make what looked like a home run hire. Win a Rose Bowl then pop off

If she fired him after a failure in 03 she could go big game hunting again

 

[RaceBannon]

Also destroyed dawgman and gave birth to half brains eventually so not all bad

 

[animate]

- you can blame Scott, that's easy
- blame the people that enabled him. The presidents ... they wrote their own demise.

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

- you can blame Scott, that's easy
- blame the people that enabled him. The presidents ... they wrote their own demise.

No such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners

 

[Tequilla]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.

Who would UW have gotten after 2007 that they couldn't get in 2008?

For as much as I have disdain for Sark ... being able to pull in a coordinator from a top program like USC and immediately being able to start the shift back in recruiting positioned UW for the success that they had under Pete.

Doesn't sound like you have disdain for Sark.

I'm far from a fan of Sark ...

UW covered up a lot of the Sark stuff behind the scenes instead of doing anything about it ...

I just don't buy that the hiring pool was substantially different after 2007 and 2008 ...

Here's the thing about Petersen, it's not just that he wouldn't listen to UW then ... he wasn't listening to anybody then

 

[RaceBannon]

- you can blame Scott, that's easy
- blame the people that enabled him. The presidents ... they wrote their own demise.

No such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners

WOOF