Mike Martin only has it half right

[MelloDawg]

He blames the fall of the Pac-12 on Larry Scott. The blame lies with the conference athletic directors and presidents that allowed him to remain in power for far too long. In the same manner that the 2008 disaster was Mark Emmert's fault and not Willingham's.

https://realdawghuskies.com/opinion-the-demise-of-the-conference-of-champions-was-inevitable-thanks-to-larry-scott/

Sounds like you’re saying it’s time to take the gloves off.

 

[LawDawg1]

I’d prefer to have a conference tie breaker be based on non-existent divisions but play a schedule based on divisions and then have two teams that already played each other in the non-existent divisions play again for the conference championship even though it required some poll boosting to make it look like they were the highest ranked teams in the conference before the championship game.

 

[Canadawg]

To play devils advocate for being in a weak conference. Clemson won two natties in the ACC recently

 

[haie]

To play devils advocate for being in a weak conference. Clemson won two natties in the ACC recently

It helps a lot to skate through a weak conference. TCU just sucked ass. Clemson didn't drop some conference championship to Pitt before winning either of those playoffs.

 

[godawgst]

This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.

Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't.

Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.

Pac-12 after dark did more harm than good, as it became what the networks only Wanted the conference for, but don't Need and with that the revenue or lack thereof that comes with it.

Espn has their lowball number which allows them to make a (+) profit if the Pac accepts, and if they don't, they will fill that window with MWC games. 10-11 pm on the east coast when those game kick isn't a needle mover one way or the other

 

[WoolleyDoog]

This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.

Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't.

Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.

Pac-12 after dark did more harm than good, as it became what the networks only Wanted the conference for, but don't Need and with that the revenue or lack thereof that comes with it.

Espn has their lowball number which allows them to make a (+) profit if the Pac accepts, and if they don't, they will fill that window with MWC games. 10-11 pm on the east coast when those game kick isn't a needle mover one way or the other

Problem too is it's not a good window. You'll never see a good Big 10 game scheduled for it. If the Pac-12 was the Big 10 though they'd immediately schedule Ohio State for two 7:30pm west coast kick offs then wonder why their marque team got upset.

 

[RaceBannon]

People drinking on the east coast don't care that much who is playing as long as someone is playing. Hawaii or SDSU or UW doesn't really matter

 

[AtomicDawg]

This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.

Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't.

Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.

Pac-12 after dark did more harm than good, as it became what the networks only Wanted the conference for, but don't Need and with that the revenue or lack thereof that comes with it.

Espn has their lowball number which allows them to make a (+) profit if the Pac accepts, and if they don't, they will fill that window with MWC games. 10-11 pm on the east coast when those game kick isn't a needle mover one way or the other

Problem too is it's not a good window. You'll never see a good Big 10 game scheduled for it. If the Pac-12 was the Big 10 though they'd immediately schedule Ohio State for two 7:30pm west coast kick offs then wonder why their marque team got upset.

If they force the west coast teams to play early, some big 10 teams Will play in that late window. It’s a give and take. It will probably never be usc or tosu forced to do it though.

 

[Doogles]

Watching Cal beat tOSU on an after midnight hail Mary in front of 12k fans is the type of realignment Karma I'm here for.

 

[Tequilla]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

 

[DerekJohnson]

Watching Cal beat tOSU on an after midnight hail Mary in front of 12k fans is the type of realignment Karma I'm here for.

@whatshouldicareabout!! Add it to the list!

 

[DerekJohnson]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

 

[AtomicDawg]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

Mike Martin is full of hot air much like Kim, fatters, LARS, Roof and the rest.

 

[LawDawg1]

Mike Martin is full of hot air much like Kim, fatters, LARS, Roof and the rest.

why does Derek Johnson get fit in “the rest?”

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

Mike Martin is full of hot air much like Kim, fatters, LARS, Roof and the rest.

why does Derek Johnson get fit in “the rest?”

I never said anything about Derek.

 

[LawDawg1]

Mike Martin is full of hot air much like Kim, fatters, LARS, Roof and the rest.

why does Derek Johnson get fit in “the rest?”

I never said anything about Derek.

Exactly

 

[Tequilla]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

Did we?

We were in the CFP 8 years later ...

Many programs would sacrifice a few high level donors to be in the CFP

 

[Tequilla]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

 

[dnc]

It's apples and oranges

The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

We sacrificed so much more than one year.

This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.

You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was

It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.