Meanwhile, at Cal still too high

I’m not going to defend Hamas.

How come the Palestinians haven’t voted themselves out of Gaza?

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pawz said:
RaceBannon said:
It's not a Concentration camp
Don't be silly
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What else would you call a place that lacks freedom of movement in-and-out for its inhabitants?
At the individual level that would be the very definition of incarceration. Now add a million people.

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According to AP, Support for Hamas has increased since the beginning of the war- Why should Israel let more than the 150K enter the country on a daily basis? Especially after many have been accused of scouting ahead for the Oct 7th massacre.
Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign
 
The only reason Germany and Japan are friendly today is because they were turned to rubble and the civilian population was decimated
Let nature take its course
Fuck around
Find out
 
pawz said:
RaceBannon said:
Nobody treats the Palis worse than Hamas except for maybe the Arabs at large
Hoe come Israel is a functioning democracy and despite hundreds of billions of dollars Gaza is a piece of shit armed camp that has sworn the death of all Jews
I guess the Allies needed to stop treating the Germans like shit
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40 years later the Allies re-unified Germany.

70 years later, Israel has done no such thing with Gaza and the West Bank.

To be fair, they almost got it done if it weren’t for Arafat being steaming pile of shit at Camp David w Slick Willie. But still, they left a million people living in a concentration camp which they are now scraping off the face of the earth. But don’t call that bull-dozing genocide.

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JFC Pawz. Concentration camp? Quit visiting the UW campus. It's making you punchy bro.

And read a different book. The Palis have entirely dug their own hole here. The history is clear. Hamas is their representative government and 10/7 is what they are about. As someone once said, people get the government they deserve.
Israel has not "occupied" shit. They regulate the border of who and what goes in and out SOLELY to prevent what happened anyway. Imagine what Gaza would've been had they not done that. And still, the missiles are firing.
But Palestinian Arabs are free to work and live in Israel (well, they were. I assume that program is shut down forever now). Pali Arabs do live in Israel. There is an Israeli-Arab on Israel's high court. But there was not a single Jew in Gaza. Not 1. Israel is the light. The rest of that dust bowl is the dark. There is a reason why Egypt's security wall is bigger and better than Israel's. They don't want them either.
This is a tale of poor and uneducated people who have zero chance at a pipe dream for which they raise their children to be willing to die. We're talking about a population overrun with Koresh Branch Davidians. Hamas enjoyed wide support in Gaza and they, Hamas operatives, were pretty indistinguishable from gen pop. Hamas is an organization that was deeply rooted in and organically very much a part of the city and culture of Gaza.
The Gazans could have had a very different fate. It was 100% entirely in their power. They had 4 chances at more, and even then, they could have had a bright future even with those 4 fuck-ups. And they chose Hamas. They are Hamas; Hamas is they. There is no "other". This idea that Gaza was full of great people and a few loons running the show is propaganda propped up by Hamas and crazy people on the left in the west. We? and the rest of the world hold the entire country of Germany responsible for WWII. We don't say "it was just Hitler and a few goons" or "fine people on both sides". It's Germany. They built it and they had to eat it, even if there were decent people who opposed in secret (and, don't kid yourself; the Nazis enjoyed wide support in Germany).
At the end of the day, you have one salient issue here: looking at what is going on there through a western lens. You can't. There is a whole other set of values and mores at work there that are not even remotely related to basic things you hold true.
Bottom line: Israel is the kind of country, and they are the kind of people, who you can live next to in peace and prosperity if you want to. They're like Canada for Christ's sake. Except they know how to fight when they have to.
 
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The only reason Germany and Japan are friendly today is because they were turned to rubble and the civilian population was decimated
Let nature take its course
Fuck around
Find out
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100 fucking percent.

Also, before anyone says it, Israel does not need our shitty little $3.8 billion subsidy for war toys. And they come with strings attached anyway. They can develop and build them domestically or buy them elsewhere. Israel is a country with significant capital investment. They won all their wars before we were their shitty best friends.
Israel does not need the US to deal with Hamas. Obviously.
 
RaceBannon said:
The only reason Germany and Japan are friendly today is because they were turned to rubble and the civilian population was decimated
Let nature take its course
Fuck around
Find out
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It is the one true sadness of human nature: strength and aggression only knows strength and aggression. It is the history of the world that authoritarian regimes are only willing to come to the table after, and only after, you have brought them to their fucking knees.
Everybody needs to read about Churchill (Right) and Chamberlain (Wrong). Everybody.

Damn right. Fuck around and find out.

And despite all that, Israel is charting new territory in selective urban warfare. Going out of their way to avoid civilians like no other invading force ever in human history. They could have glassed the place on day 1 and this thing would be in the rearview mirror. But people like our shitty president and the loons at UW critique their every move because they're secretly Jew hating Nazis. Or something.
 
Remember mooselimbs believe we unclean and should be eradicated. Where have we heard that before?
 
"40 years later the Allies re-unified Germany.
70 years later, Israel has done no such thing with Gaza and the West Bank."
Apples to dog sh*t comparison. The commies lost Eastern Europe. The people were tired. The commies built a wall to keep their people in not to keep West Germans out. When the Palis reject radical Islam and Hamas, Hezzbollah and the PLO and a re-unified Palestine (From the Sea to the River - Death to the Jews) then there will be peace. East German's celebrated the wall coming down. 70 years later, Gaza hasn't rejected Hamas and hasn't decided to live peacefully with the Jews.
 
The tell is that no country wants to take in Pali's. None. Including all the Arab countries. They are toxic. Train their children at birth to kill jews etc. They will never play nice anywhere.
 
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The tell is that no country wants to take in Pali's. None. Including all the Arab countries. They are toxic. Train their children at birth to kill jews etc. They will never play nice anywhere.
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That is the fucking tell Sleddy. 100%. Nobody wants them. Egypt's wall is stout for a reason.
 
Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود Aylūl al-ʾAswad), also known as the Jordanian Civil War,[9] was an armed conflict between Jordan, led by King Hussein, and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), led by chairman Yasser Arafat. The main phase of the fighting took place between 16 and 27 September 1970, though certain aspects of the conflict continued until 17 July 1971.
After the 1967 Six-Day War, Palestinian fedayeen guerrillas relocated to Jordan and stepped up their attacks against Israel and what had become the Israeli-occupied West Bank. They were headquartered at the Jordanian border town of Karameh, which Israel targeted during the Battle of Karameh in 1968, leading to a surge of Arab support for the fedayeen. The PLO's strength grew, and by early 1970, leftist groups within the PLO began calling for the overthrow of Jordan's Hashemite monarchy, leading to violent clashes in June 1970. Hussein hesitated to oust them from the country, but continued PLO activities in Jordan culminated in the Dawson's Field hijackings of 6 September 1970. This involved the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seizing three civilian passenger flights and forcing their landing in the Jordanian city of Zarqa, where they took foreign nationals as hostages and blew up the planes in front of international press. Hussein saw this as the last straw and ordered the Jordanian Army to take action.[
 
pawz said:
RaceBannon said:
It's not a Concentration camp
Don't be silly
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What else would you call a place that lacks freedom of movement in-and-out for its inhabitants?
At the individual level that would be the very definition of incarceration. Now add a million people.

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The problem lies with the Islamic extremists these people have voted for to govern them and the parents who teach their children hatred of not only Israel, but also infodels such as Israeli Jews.
Last I heard, the Jews at Auschwitz weren’t represented by their own people and didn’t receive support and aid from foreign countries.
What a disgrace to equate the two situations.
 
Sledog said:
The tell is that no country wants to take in Pali's. None. Including all the Arab countries. They are toxic. Train their children at birth to kill jews etc. They will never play nice anywhere.
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Well, if the Arabs want to genocide them too, I guess it's fine.
A joyous Easter to the Christians here.
 
HHusky said:
Sledog said:
The tell is that no country wants to take in Pali's. None. Including all the Arab countries. They are toxic. Train their children at birth to kill jews etc. They will never play nice anywhere.
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Well, if the Arabs want to genocide them too, I guess it's fine.
A joyous Easter to the Christians here.
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So, you're on Team Genocide? Say it ain't so.
I always give you a lot more credit here than the locals. I'm about to change my mind.
 
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