Libtards are retarded and live in their own fantasy world

You pay more, you get more. As it's stated, you aren't going to have an elite group of applicants running to make 35k a year. They could do that managing mcdonalds. A few in this thread are completely retarded if you think that teachers "have no skills". Just as any job, there are incredibly bad individuals in the profession. There are also quite a few brilliant teachers. It's not a job anyone would do for 100k b/c some people(myself included) couldn't handle dealing with kids all day. I would want to shoot myself.

Read a few studies on the difference a good teacher makes in a childs development vs a poor teacher and then spout off. You know, a few places like harvard and stanford do such studies and are easily accessible for your reading pleasure.

One of the biggest problems with teaching and student development is still the parents. People take their kids to class and assume they will somehow learn everything in a short amount of time without any further work. Sadly, many families don't prioritize reading, learning and anything else at home and merely toss their kid a xbox controller. Nor do many people want to admit that not all kids have the capacity to be rock stars no matter what the learning environment.

If you want a competitive field to drive out some of the idiots, then pay a good wage. It actually does help society when highly qualified and motivated employees are driving youth in the proper direction. I highly doubt some of you would pay for your suit at Old navy and expect $3k suit quality. 5 million is ridiculous, but paying people 30k is equally comical.
 
My two dads taught me to read before I started school. Oddly enough the book was "My Two Dads"
 
If you think shitty teachers should get paid 200K a year, open up your wallet and agree to pay $6000 in property taxes per $100,000 of your home value.
 
If you think shitty teachers should get paid 200K a year, open up your wallet and agree to pay $6000 in property taxes per $100,000 of your home value.
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i know a lot of people who shouldn't get paid nearly what they are paid in their profession. However, i don't base that on the individual, more about the the vast majority of those in that profession. There are some teachers who are POS, but many who are not. To use the outlier as the norm is about as ignorant as saying teachers aren't smart enough to do another job.

Teachers should be paid a good living wage, IE 30k is not a living wage for a 4 year degree. I know many with masters who are making 40k a year. Sorry, but I think that's ridiculous.

I also know "financial advisors" aka, insurance pushers who makes 75k. Who is really doing society good?
 
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Cry me a fucking river. There are plenty of 4 year degrees that come with actual skills that aren't making a living wage. My gf is a UW business school grad and has her MBA and makes about 45k. I think teachers need to follow through on their whining and nail themselves to their crosses until they bleed out.
 
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I couldn't make it past the third or fourth paragraph because I have a low tolerance for faggy unrealistic idealism, but a few points:

Teacher's unions aren't the devil some make them out to be, but they need to stop protecting bad teachers, or they need to be forced to do that. Somehow.

Teachers should be paid more, but the school year should also be longer. The Japanese go to school 200 days a year. Our year is about 180 days. Cut out the ridiculous 10 to 12 week break in the summer so kids can retain more. That will cut out waste and improve efficiency.

One local public school here has a Mexican American services coordinator or some shit, African American " ", Indian " ", and they'll probably have a LBGT liaison making 45,000 a year for talking to four gay kids once a week. Guess what? No librarian. Cut out waste like this.

Charter schools are a complete scam. There are a couple around here that are nerd magnet schools, the rest are either niche or they take all the miscreants. We used to have reform and military schools for losers. The bottom line is they don't perform any better than regular public schools. My brother taught at one for five or six years & never received a raise. Before you say, "Bill, Maybe your brother just sucked at teaching!", he talked to several other teachers at the same school & they confirmed he never gave raises. The guy was just pocketing the money. State money. It's a scam. They do no better.

I will also regurgitate Purple J's pt. about critical thinking. It's a little better, but it's still lacking.
 
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Cry me a fucking river. There are plenty of 4 year degrees that come with actual skills that aren't making a living wage. My gf is a UW business school grad and has her MBA and makes about 45k. I think teachers need to follow through on their whining and nail themselves to their crosses until they bleed out.
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Time for a new girlfriend.
 
Cry me a fucking river. There are plenty of 4 year degrees that come with actual skills that aren't making a living wage. My gf is a UW business school grad and has her MBA and makes about 45k. I think teachers need to follow through on their whining and nail themselves to their crosses until they bleed out.
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Time for a new girlfriend.
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Stay at home dads libcunts agree with you.
 
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Why would you pay the fucktards any more than they are making now? That's like giving Mike Fucking Leach a raise for a losing season.

If you want to pay new teachers more as an incentive so they don't choose to go into other more lucrative fields, that makes sense. The smart kids go to where the money is when making career choices. Teacher is way the fuck down the list, thus you get the dregs and Letourneaus.

But to reward the current incompetents just because is Sec14 stupid.
 
Cry me a fucking river. There are plenty of 4 year degrees that come with actual skills that aren't making a living wage. My gf is a UW business school grad and has her MBA and makes about 45k. I think teachers need to follow through on their whining and nail themselves to their crosses until they bleed out.
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The difference is that in her career she will escalate her salary and likely be making 3 times that within 15 years. Teachers will not see any similar escalation. If the teacher market was truly a free market for salary than maybe it's a fair comparison, but it isn't b/c teachers are stuck on a pay scale regardless of their actual value.
 
My wife is a teacher, and I wouldn't have a problem if she got a raise, but then I remember she only works 9 months out of the year. Her true wage is about 25% higher than what her stub says. Still underpaid, but not by as much as a lot of people believe.
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She makes up for being underpaid by sleeping with her students.

Hope this helps.
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It doesn't. Sleeping with her students is what makes her underpaid.
 
Cry me a fucking river. There are plenty of 4 year degrees that come with actual skills that aren't making a living wage. My gf is a UW business school grad and has her MBA and makes about 45k. I think teachers need to follow through on their whining and nail themselves to their crosses until they bleed out.
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The difference is that in her career she will escalate her salary and likely be making 3 times that within 15 years. Teachers will not see any similar escalation. If the teacher market was truly a free market for salary than maybe it's a fair comparison, but it isn't b/c teachers are stuck on a pay scale regardless of their actual value.
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Please find a teacher below the college level that is worth a fuck. I went to a high school that fucking rich people move to the town just so their kids can attend. Every teacher was dreck, went to easy colleges, and has their diploma framed in the classroom.

A Master's in Teaching is about on par with the first 1-2 weeks of a Computer Science or Engineering degree in difficulty. Simple fact.

If I was a teacher I would get a 2nd job in the summer and keep my mouth shut.
 
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If you think shitty teachers should get paid 200K a year, open up your wallet and agree to pay $6000 in property taxes per $100,000 of your home value.
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i know a lot of people who shouldn't get paid nearly what they are paid in their profession. However, i don't base that on the individual, more about the the vast majority of those in that profession. There are some teachers who are POS, but many who are not. To use the outlier as the norm is about as ignorant as saying teachers aren't smart enough to do another job.

Teachers should be paid a good living wage, IE 30k is not a living wage for a 4 year degree. I know many with masters who are making 40k a year. Sorry, but I think that's ridiculous.

I also know "financial advisors" aka, insurance pushers who makes 75k. Who is really doing society good?
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If you're only making $75k selling insurance, you're in the wrong market and/or not very good at what you do.

 
I like right to work states. Teachers get fired and downsized all the time. No issues.
 
Cry me a fucking river. There are plenty of 4 year degrees that come with actual skills that aren't making a living wage. My gf is a UW business school grad and has her MBA and makes about 45k. I think teachers need to follow through on their whining and nail themselves to their crosses until they bleed out.
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The difference is that in her career she will escalate her salary and likely be making 3 times that within 15 years. Teachers will not see any similar escalation. If the teacher market was truly a free market for salary than maybe it's a fair comparison, but it isn't b/c teachers are stuck on a pay scale regardless of their actual value.
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Teachers aren't stuck anywhere. The great thing about a free market is they are free to chose any profession they wish. If teaching isn't paying the bills, there is no one with a gun to their head forcing them to stay. Also, this isn't a new development, teachers know what the pay scale is when they decide to go into it. Bitching a few years down the road is bullshit. The notion they are underpaid is a huge myth. Some teachers may be underpaid compared to some of their worthless colleagues, but on average, they get what they're worth.

It sounds like you're blaming the union teachers being "stuck" on a pay scale. I would agree with that. I would also agree that unions interfere with labor costs in unionized industries and companies.
 
If you think shitty teachers should get paid 200K a year, open up your wallet and agree to pay $6000 in property taxes per $100,000 of your home value.
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i know a lot of people who shouldn't get paid nearly what they are paid in their profession. However, i don't base that on the individual, more about the the vast majority of those in that profession. There are some teachers who are POS, but many who are not. To use the outlier as the norm is about as ignorant as saying teachers aren't smart enough to do another job.

Teachers should be paid a good living wage, IE 30k is not a living wage for a 4 year degree. I know many with masters who are making 40k a year. Sorry, but I think that's ridiculous.

I also know "financial advisors" aka, insurance pushers who makes 75k. Who is really doing society good?
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Here is a list of what secondary teachers in the seattle made in 2012 -2013. Like I said, they aren't underpaid.
http://wwwb.thenewstribune.com/databases/school_pay/index.php?names=&schools=&districts=Seattle+Public+Schools&sort=&job_title=Secondary+Teacher&page=14
 
collegeinpjs.com is the only way to go

I like to pretend online school is just like getting up early and having a work ethic.
 
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@MikeDamone

They can't choose any profession they wish. Hence this butthurt, entitled thread.
 
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