backthepack
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They are the worst
JT Tuimoloau, 5* 2021 DL, Bellevue (Eastside Catholic), WA (Offered 9/22/17)
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They are the worst
They are the people who say THE in front of the school name.
Not a dry eye in the house
PurpleReign
New Fish
What happened at 7?
CallMeBigErn
New Fish
Yeah, I'm reluctantly starting to accept that college football is fucked. This rich get richer shit is destroying the game.
Kingdome_Urinals
New Fish
Yeah, this is getting pretty gay. It used to be that teams from every conference could count on regional recruiting for adequate talent but the TV money and social media has generated 4-5 super programs that suck up all the top players.
Pac-12 used to have the RB tied in and even chances of taking an undefeated or one loss season into an NC.
They keep finding ways to ruin the best game in America.
greenblood
New Fish
No excuses
You either win or you don't. I'm not going to blame another team's success for my team's failure. That's loser talk, and sounds a lot like people wanting socialism brought into college sports to "save it". It's fine how it is, just win.
Kingdome_Urinals
New Fish
85 scholarship player limit is socialism then. So are any recruiting rules for that point. Sports are not "real life" and therefore require rules to maintain a semblance of competitive balance.
Throwing out "socialism" is just stupid. All rules are socialism, that's great thinking. Maybe Alabama should be able to play with 12 players on the field because they have so many good ones.
UW has fucked itself as have most P12 programs, mainly with shitty coaches, but the bottom line is that the league has taken steps to leave itself in a structurally weak position.
Getting out of this rut will take more than just winning football teams, but also better leadership, business moves, and possibly league mergers or realignment.
Houhusky
New Fish
This place has a weird effect on people, so many have come here, sperged out shit that get the tiniest amount of traction, and then suddenly they think they are hot shit and actually have anything important to say.
From Chest, to Sven, to passion, to meek, to subK, to DDY and a bunch of others, a sociologist’s PhD thesis wet dream.
Props to @RoadDawg55 (and kinda @Tequilla )
The current system sucks.
I would prefer @PurpleJs euro soccer relegation system with 30 teams per tiered league and a real playoff system both for relegation and the championship not some bullshit plus 1. But whatever.
the socialism trope is irrelevant... the goal is to create an entertaining product, not create a marketplace of increasingly competitive efficiency for the consumer... competition entertainment does require some parity.
The 85 scholarship limit is in fact a form of what passes for sports socialism. Duck lore is that it was the key to the invention of football
I agree it is silly to use the term but I have seen it used against the NFL for years because they put in a cap to keep the Niners and Cowboys from winning every year and it is a easy knock on the capitalist swine that own teams
No limits no caps no rules. 19th century football. Let the best robber baron win!
GreenRiverGatorz
New Fish
I hate how accurate this is. The shittiness of the Pac-12 gives us the illusion that we have something to play for, but we're not even playing the same sport as Alabama, Clemson, or OSU at this point. As much as we doog about potential Rose Bowl wins, which has proven to be frustratingly elusive, the rest of the country couldn't give a shit. The real powers that be are stacking NY6 bowl wins and playoff appearances like cordwood, while the rest of college football diddles itself trying to appeal to an every-shrinking fanbase. A shrinking that is pronounced more than anywhere else in our very own conference.
Our aspirations are now defined by continuing our Apple Cup streak, wrestling in the mud with Oregon, and getting back to Pasadena. That's it. That's the ceiling. And that ceiling is no longer even on the national radar.
You're a fan of a team in a conference which has no relevance on the national stage. Same as me. And you think it's fine how it is?
I don't think there's any going back or fixing things without a hard cap on how much money coaches can be paid and how much money athletic departments can earn each year. I am pro-Capitalism but it is ruining traditions in all places, especially sports. If CFB is going to continue down the line of professionalizing the entire sport they should follow the NFL model which clearly works for balancing power.
I truly believe the way college football was before BCS was college football at its peak. When they had about 15 bowl games, and everything came to a climactic finish on New Year's Day with the big 5 bowl games. (The best day of the year). The build-up from Dec 20 to Jan 1 was so much fun.
RatherBeBrewing
New Fish
This is a coincidence, but interesting anyway.
If you want to take it down a bit further, Oklahoma is next in the rankings and they’re the only other team to have played in more than one playoff game. Notre Dame, on the verge of their second appearance since it probably doesn’t matter if they lose to Clemson, is 9th.
Even with not all recruits committed those eight teams have signed 58 of the top-100 recruits, 79 of the top 150, and 97 of the top 200. 21 5-stars and 106 4-stars. All but guaranteed that they will end up with 28/34 5-stars and 36+ of the top 50.
Other teams with a CFP appearance and their recruiting rank:
Washington 30th
Florida State 31st
Michigan State 33rd
In the most recent NFL draft these were the odds of each star rating to be drafted. The correlation between recruiting and both team success and NFL draft success has been going up each year. Recruiting rankings have improved as the industry has become a big business.
5-star: 63.5%
4-star: 23.5%
3-star: 6%
2-star: 1.6%
If you want to take it down a bit further, Oklahoma is next in the rankings and they’re the only other team to have played in more than one playoff game. Notre Dame, on the verge of their second appearance since it probably doesn’t matter if they lose to Clemson, is 9th.
Even with not all recruits committed those eight teams have signed 58 of the top-100 recruits, 79 of the top 150, and 97 of the top 200. 21 5-stars and 106 4-stars. All but guaranteed that they will end up with 28/34 5-stars and 36+ of the top 50.
Other teams with a CFP appearance and their recruiting rank:
Washington 30th
Florida State 31st
Michigan State 33rd
In the most recent NFL draft these were the odds of each star rating to be drafted. The correlation between recruiting and both team success and NFL draft success has been going up each year. Recruiting rankings have improved as the industry has become a big business.
5-star: 63.5%
4-star: 23.5%
3-star: 6%
2-star: 1.6%
greenblood
New Fish
The Pac 12 buried itself. It isn't right to take away from other teams because our conference screwed up. The Pac 12 needs to pull up it's pants and fix it.
1) Get a deal done with direct TV. This is why the Pac 12 network doesn't work. 80% of our largest market (Los Angeles) doesn't get the station.
2) Teams need to start fighting harder to recruit more nationally. We can't base our hopes on California kids.
3) Prioritize football. The SEC, ACC, Big10, Big12, truly give zero fucks about any other sport than football. They realize football is their cash cow, and funds much of the other programs at their universities. The Pac 12 needs to take a similar approach. Promote and support the sports that make money, so then you can afford the others. Don't try and boost the other sports while sacrificing the breadwinner.
4) It's tuff
Houhusky
New Fish
Fuck traditional TV, get a deal done with the youtubeTV headquarters down the street from the pac12 headquarters.
YoutubeTV is available anywhere you don’t have idawgs dialup.
Get a deal with twitch/Amazon to live stream some games, like the nfl, on their platform too. (and a bunch of the lesser sports no one cares about too)
Re-Host as much content and replays on YouTube as possible for all sports as part of the deal.
You can still do all the silly Nuehiezal playing guitar shit on the YouTube channel.
There is zero upside for the pac12 to chase shitty ESPN SEC type contracts... might as well do something different
Get the CBS window for the olds and then add your fancy cord cutting stuff