Jimmy's keeping Donovan

Why does it matter if people were on board with the Jimmy hire when it happened?

After plenty of evidence he's very clearly a disaster really on all fronts.
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It matters because the implication is "no one could have seen this coming" which lets Jen off the hook and I disagree massively with that. I won't lie and say I thought Jimmy would be this bad (I thought he'd at least recruit decently) but I hated the hire at the time and feel my reasoning was solid. It's fine if a bunch of homer message bored poasters look past all that because they're excited about a change. It's not fine if the person in charge of the AD uses that same blind homer reasoning.

Jen fucked this up. Royally.
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The counter to that is, did OU and tOSU conduct national searches prior to promoting Riley and Day? I could probably find out but I recall it was a pretty swift change at both schools. The difference obviously is those guys were OCs and I did have some slight concern that promoting a defensive minded coach in today's CFB would be a mistake. However, I had no idea Jimmy's vision for an effective offense would be this shit show we have right now.
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The biggest issue with this is those guys were longer tenured and more successful as coordinators than Lake was, and they didn’t have the architect of their system on staff holding their hands.

Jimmy was only a coordinator for two seasons, one was mediocre and it was the more recent one.

He was not in Riley/Days class as a coordinator.
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Those guys took over units that needed improvement and improved them to the best in the country. Jimmy took over a loaded defense and made them slightly worse.

Jimmy would land on his feet with a good college DC job, maybe even a pro one. He’s a pretty good football coach. What he is not, is a head coach. He sucks at that. His hiring has been horrible, the recruiting is horrible, and most importantly, his record shows he sucks.
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The biggest red flag virtually everyone ignored is Will Harris.

I guarantee that was a Jimmy hire and he’s been worthless since day one.
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People have been on Will Harris for a long time now
 
Why does it matter if people were on board with the Jimmy hire when it happened?

After plenty of evidence he's very clearly a disaster really on all fronts.
Click to expand...

It matters because the implication is "no one could have seen this coming" which lets Jen off the hook and I disagree massively with that. I won't lie and say I thought Jimmy would be this bad (I thought he'd at least recruit decently) but I hated the hire at the time and feel my reasoning was solid. It's fine if a bunch of homer message bored poasters look past all that because they're excited about a change. It's not fine if the person in charge of the AD uses that same blind homer reasoning.

Jen fucked this up. Royally.
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The counter to that is, did OU and tOSU conduct national searches prior to promoting Riley and Day? I could probably find out but I recall it was a pretty swift change at both schools. The difference obviously is those guys were OCs and I did have some slight concern that promoting a defensive minded coach in today's CFB would be a mistake. However, I had no idea Jimmy's vision for an effective offense would be this shit show we have right now.
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The biggest issue with this is those guys were longer tenured and more successful as coordinators than Lake was, and they didn’t have the architect of their system on staff holding their hands.

Jimmy was only a coordinator for two seasons, one was mediocre and it was the more recent one.

He was not in Riley/Days class as a coordinator.
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Those guys took over units that needed improvement and improved them to the best in the country. Jimmy took over a loaded defense and made them slightly worse.

Jimmy would land on his feet with a good college DC job, maybe even a pro one. He’s a pretty good football coach. What he is not, is a head coach. He sucks at that. His hiring has been horrible, the recruiting is horrible, and most importantly, his record shows he sucks.
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The biggest red flag virtually everyone ignored is Will Harris.

I guarantee that was a Jimmy hire and he’s been worthless since day one.
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People have been on Will Harris for a long time now
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Willie is very fast on the twitter block. He hears it
 
Why does it matter if people were on board with the Jimmy hire when it happened?

After plenty of evidence he's very clearly a disaster really on all fronts.
Click to expand...

It matters because the implication is "no one could have seen this coming" which lets Jen off the hook and I disagree massively with that. I won't lie and say I thought Jimmy would be this bad (I thought he'd at least recruit decently) but I hated the hire at the time and feel my reasoning was solid. It's fine if a bunch of homer message bored poasters look past all that because they're excited about a change. It's not fine if the person in charge of the AD uses that same blind homer reasoning.

Jen fucked this up. Royally.
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The counter to that is, did OU and tOSU conduct national searches prior to promoting Riley and Day? I could probably find out but I recall it was a pretty swift change at both schools. The difference obviously is those guys were OCs and I did have some slight concern that promoting a defensive minded coach in today's CFB would be a mistake. However, I had no idea Jimmy's vision for an effective offense would be this shit show we have right now.
Click to expand...

The biggest issue with this is those guys were longer tenured and more successful as coordinators than Lake was, and they didn’t have the architect of their system on staff holding their hands.

Jimmy was only a coordinator for two seasons, one was mediocre and it was the more recent one.

He was not in Riley/Days class as a coordinator.
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Those guys took over units that needed improvement and improved them to the best in the country. Jimmy took over a loaded defense and made them slightly worse.

Jimmy would land on his feet with a good college DC job, maybe even a pro one. He’s a pretty good football coach. What he is not, is a head coach. He sucks at that. His hiring has been horrible, the recruiting is horrible, and most importantly, his record shows he sucks.
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The biggest red flag virtually everyone ignored is Will Harris.

I guarantee that was a Jimmy hire and he’s been worthless since day one.
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People have been on Will Harris for a long time now
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Yes but few saw him as a warning about Lakes inability to hire assistants.
 
Good point and I thought he was a good OC hire away from having a good staff. But then:

1. He hires the RB coach of the shitty Jags to be his OC

2. The 2021 class closed with a wimper

3. Kwat leaves and he was the brains behind the D plus also helped Malloe out with the DL.

4. He promotes Bobby Gregory to DC rather than find a better DC who can also recruit.

5. Lake hires internally to promote a grad assistant to coach the DL.

6. Rumors circulate that Kwat couldn't stand Jimmy Lake and hated working for him.

7. The 2021 class gets off to a weak start and 4 players de-commit, with Jon Wilner pointing out the trouble brewing in August of 2021.

8. Lake loses to Montana.

9. Lake loses to Oregon State a month later and with many of the same deficiencies plaguing the team.

10. He stands by his shitty OC hire going into a bye week when it is blindingly obvious to everyone that JonDon's offense goes major stretches stalling, which tires out the D.

11. No up and coming coach would want to join this sinking ship should Smug Lake happen to keep his job so he'd be stuck with the same crappy coordinators who can't recruit. That's not exactly a recipe for success in competing for top West Coast recruits, including those from WA.
 
6. Rumors circulate that Kwat couldn't stand Jimmy Lake and hated working for him.
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Has this been legitimately reported anywhere? IIRC it was all hyper read between the lines without a lot of substance.
 
6. Rumors circulate that Kwat couldn't stand Jimmy Lake and hated working for him.
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Has this been legitimately reported anywhere? IIRC it was all hyper read between the lines without a lot of substance.
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Don’t know…but Marcus Peters was on this one early.
 
Why does it matter if people were on board with the Jimmy hire when it happened?

After plenty of evidence he's very clearly a disaster really on all fronts.
Click to expand...

It matters because the implication is "no one could have seen this coming" which lets Jen off the hook and I disagree massively with that. I won't lie and say I thought Jimmy would be this bad (I thought he'd at least recruit decently) but I hated the hire at the time and feel my reasoning was solid. It's fine if a bunch of homer message bored poasters look past all that because they're excited about a change. It's not fine if the person in charge of the AD uses that same blind homer reasoning.

Jen fucked this up. Royally.
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The problem with Jen hiring Jimmy isn’t that she hired Jimmy IMO

It’s that I guarantee she didn’t ever consider that Pete would step down or leave like he did (which in his position is 81% chicken shit to give really no notice just gone) so therefore she didn’t have a list made up of what her options were.

If she did and Jimmy was the top of the list that’s an indictment on her hiring decisions that we already know sucks ass

If she did and all her top options turned her down and Jimmy was left then so be it

But I think we know that the reality is that she was blindsided and made a rushed panicked hire in the name of continuity
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I’ve always hated that she cried when Pete left. It was an ominous sign to me.
 
6. Rumors circulate that Kwat couldn't stand Jimmy Lake and hated working for him.
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Has this been legitimately reported anywhere? IIRC it was all hyper read between the lines without a lot of substance.
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Don’t know…but Marcus Peters was on this one early.
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Marcus Peters was misunderstood prophet.
 
6. Rumors circulate that Kwat couldn't stand Jimmy Lake and hated working for him.
Click to expand...

Has this been legitimately reported anywhere? IIRC it was all hyper read between the lines without a lot of substance.
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Don’t know…but Marcus Peters was on this one early.
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Marcus Peters was misunderstood prophet.
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He’d make one hell of a DB coach right now. Heard he has a great working relationship with Jimmy too
 
6. Rumors circulate that Kwat couldn't stand Jimmy Lake and hated working for him.
Click to expand...

Has this been legitimately reported anywhere? IIRC it was all hyper read between the lines without a lot of substance.
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Don’t know…but Marcus Peters was on this one early.
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Marcus Peters was misunderstood prophet.
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He’d make one hell of a DB coach right now. Heard he has a great working relationship with Jimmy too
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Can't see Jimmy sticking his neck out for Peters.
 
@HFNY

One thing I’d add to your list is moving your existing DL coach to coaching OLBs (what K was doing) and promoting a GA into being a DL coach

Not only do you move a coach that has had recruiting wins at one of the most important positional groupings to an area where he has limited in best coaching experience but you then backfill that move with a GA expecting him to go out and recruit successfully against killer recruiters both in and out of the conference

The promotion from within aspect of Jimmy is arguably as damning as anything else he has done
 
@HFNY

One thing I’d add to your list is moving your existing DL coach to coaching OLBs (what K was doing) and promoting a GA into being a DL coach

Not only do you move a coach that has had recruiting wins at one of the most important positional groupings to an area where he has limited in best coaching experience but you then backfill that move with a GA expecting him to go out and recruit successfully against killer recruiters both in and out of the conference

The promotion from within aspect of Jimmy is arguably as damning as anything else he has done
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Yep he fucked DT and OLB with one move. This is highly under criticized.
 
@HFNY

One thing I’d add to your list is moving your existing DL coach to coaching OLBs (what K was doing) and promoting a GA into being a DL coach

Not only do you move a coach that has had recruiting wins at one of the most important positional groupings to an area where he has limited in best coaching experience but you then backfill that move with a GA expecting him to go out and recruit successfully against killer recruiters both in and out of the conference

The promotion from within aspect of Jimmy is arguably as damning as anything else he has done
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JTT deciding between Larry Johnson or Rip Rowan. Hmm, tough call. No wonder why we finished in last place for him.
 
@HFNY

One thing I’d add to your list is moving your existing DL coach to coaching OLBs (what K was doing) and promoting a GA into being a DL coach

Not only do you move a coach that has had recruiting wins at one of the most important positional groupings to an area where he has limited in best coaching experience but you then backfill that move with a GA expecting him to go out and recruit successfully against killer recruiters both in and out of the conference

The promotion from within aspect of Jimmy is arguably as damning as anything else he has done
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Not to mention DL is the most competitive position to recruit for on the west coast due to the limited prospects with the right body type to play the position. It's either gross incompetence or astonishing hubris that made him think promoting Rip was a good move. Probably a combination of both.
 
A little off topic but I just remembered how Jimmy fed the DM mods the narrative that UW was making ground on JTT because he really liked Gregory. LMAO even the doogiest of doogs didn't buy that bullshit.

Jimmy's reign of terror will provide this board with a treasure trove of material for years.
 
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