Jake Heaps beat out for Kansas Qb1

Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.

My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.

And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them.
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Water is wet. Your posts are basically saying there is better talent in CA and Texas than Washington. I'm not sure what your point is.

 
Which state of these 12 is Washington a better producer than from a talent standpoint?

Texas
California
Florida
Ohio
Michigan
Louisiana
Alabama
Georgia
Virginia
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Maryland

Or if you want to go further how about comparing to states like Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Illinois, Oklahoma, and New Jersey.

Washington ranks somewhere around 15-25 for top talent producing states.
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Top talent producing state superiority guy
 
Interesting to see that the Elite 11 is pretty meaningless. After looking at TequillaTLDR's link to MgoBlog, I looked at the Elite 11 for 2010 and 2011 and found that they generally get about 1-2 out of 11 being significant contributors:

2010 had Teddy Bridgewater and Everett Gholson. No others that really saw the field.
2011 had Jameis Winston. Ditto. Mariota and Manziel were in this class but not Elite 11.

2008 was a good year for the Elite 11: Tajh Boyd (great), AJ McCarron (great), Zach Mettenberger (turned out well), Aaron Murray (great) , Geno Smith (great).
2007: Jacory Harris (meh), Blaine Gabbert (very good), Landry Jones (good), Andrew Luck (awesome), EJ Manuel (sucks).
2006: Stephen Garcia (lol), Tyrod Taylor (who?), Ryan Mallett (lol).
 
Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.

My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.

And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them.
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Water is wet. Your posts are basically saying there is better talent in CA and Texas than Washington. I'm not sure what your point is.
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The point being that if PGOS says that Washington is in the top 12 of talent producing states in the country, that it's just flat out wrong given the data.

Moreover, that while clearly bigger states have better players, I do think that there's a certain amount of truth to big fish in a little pond having to prove themselves a bit when they are faced with a bit of competition. Some respond really well to that and step up their game to confirm that they are the big fish. Others get hit in the mouth and don't respond at all. In bigger states, while there is definitely still a bit of that going on, it's less pronounced compared to states where the difference between the great players and good players is more extreme.
 
It will be a great day for some MAC or D2 program when they are able to sign a former #1 AB recruit in the nation.
 
I'll bet Eastern Washington!
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Eastern's QB is a junior and broke records last year. He is better than Heaps. Montana's QB is better than Heaps too. He's going somewhere shitty. Maybe he already graduated and can go to a shitty FBS team that needs a QB.
 
Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.

My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.

And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them.
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Water is wet. Your posts are basically saying there is better talent in CA and Texas than Washington. I'm not sure what your point is.
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The point being that if PGOS says that Washington is in the top 12 of talent producing states in the country, that it's just flat out wrong given the data.

Moreover, that while clearly bigger states have better players, I do think that there's a certain amount of truth to big fish in a little pond having to prove themselves a bit when they are faced with a bit of competition. Some respond really well to that and step up their game to confirm that they are the big fish. Others get hit in the mouth and don't respond at all. In bigger states, while there is definitely still a bit of that going on, it's less pronounced compared to states where the difference between the great players and good players is more extreme.
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I still think WA is right around #12. Maryland, virginia, nc, etc., are all on equal or lesser footing
 
I forgot, and now I feel stoopid. Their QB went wild against OSU last year, if I remember right. Good player.

I'll bet Eastern Washington!
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Eastern's QB is a junior and broke records last year. He is better than Heaps. Montana's QB is better than Heaps too. He's going somewhere shitty. Maybe he already graduated and can go to a shitty FBS team that needs a QB.
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There's always Ricks College.

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Interesting to see that the Elite 11 is pretty meaningless. After looking at TequillaTLDR's link to MgoBlog, I looked at the Elite 11 for 2010 and 2011 and found that they generally get about 1-2 out of 11 being significant contributors:

2010 had Teddy Bridgewater and Everett Gholson. No others that really saw the field.
2011 had Jameis Winston. Ditto. Mariota and Manziel were in this class but not Elite 11.

2008 was a good year for the Elite 11: Tajh Boyd (great), AJ McCarron (great), Zach Mettenberger (turned out well), Aaron Murray (great) , Geno Smith (great).
2007: Jacory Harris (meh), Blaine Gabbert (very good), Landry Jones (good), Andrew Luck (awesome), EJ Manuel (sucks).
2006: Stephen Garcia (lol), Tyrod Taylor (who?), Ryan Mallett (lol).
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It's almost as if teen boy stocking is useless profession and not very effective in predicting future outcomes.
 
I'm a firm believer that one of the hardest things to recruit is the player that doesn't have a ton of competition. When you recruit in states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., even the shit teams in the best leagues will have 2-3 D1 players on them. You can get a good idea of whether a player has it or not. The toughest guys to recruit are kids like Heaps and a lot of Bellevue kids because they are so much better than the competition that it's hard to tell what happens to them when they have to step up.

The guys in that situation you are looking for are those that go to national situations and make a leap up tied to their competition and continue to show up and be the alpha males. But if I remember about Heaps, while everybody was still drooling over him because of his stats, etc., he wasn't outperforming a lot of the QBs in the class when they were all there.

And when you look back at the top QBs in the 2009 class - fucking dreckfest: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/where-are-they-now-2009-elite-11-qbs-including-gardner-bolden-boisture
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Wa state aint texas, but it has to be in the top 12 most competitive states for high school football.

Qb's from this state do well, historically
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Go count how many scholarship players we have from Washington on our roster and come back and say that. Better yet, go look up how many NFL players we produce. GTFO with that nonsense.
 
He should have gone on his mission, God is deservedly punishing him now for not coming back at 25 y.o.
 

Interesting to see that the Elite 11 is pretty meaningless. After looking at TequillaTLDR's link to MgoBlog, I looked at the Elite 11 for 2010 and 2011 and found that they generally get about 1-2 out of 11 being significant contributors:

2010 had Teddy Bridgewater and Everett Gholson. No others that really saw the field.
2011 had Jameis Winston. Ditto. Mariota and Manziel were in this class but not Elite 11.

2008 was a good year for the Elite 11: Tajh Boyd (great), AJ McCarron (great), Zach Mettenberger (turned out well), Aaron Murray (great) , Geno Smith (great).
2007: Jacory Harris (meh), Blaine Gabbert (very good), Landry Jones (good), Andrew Luck (awesome), EJ Manuel (sucks).
2006: Stephen Garcia (lol), Tyrod Taylor (who?), Ryan Mallett (lol).
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It's almost as if teen boy stocking is useless profession and not very effective in predicting future outcomes.
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Disagree, teen boy stocking is very useful in predicting future outcomes.

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Who knows maybe Heaps will wind up at Middlebury and CollegeDoog can catch as many passes from Heaps as you and I.
 
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