It's Ngata over for Joe!!!

I may be in the minority here, but I'm Ngatas worried about not signing this kid simply because the WR position is not as valuable as the OL/DL and QB positions. Look at what winning rosters focus most on and it ain't WR. Clempson isn't beating Bama for the championship without the beastly D-line they had and Watson at QB. The WR who caught the winning TD was a try-hard, white slot receiver.

That being said, it's still a fuck up to not pick Ngata in when UW was the favorite in the not-too-distant past.
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Their wrs were winning 50/50 balls that whole second half vs Bama fwiw and our wrs do not look like that.

I do kInd of agree with you in that not bother me as much in that wr is one of the easiest positions to get high level talent at. But this was set up for success and the staff failed.
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I think WR (and the passing game in general) is underrated on this bored. You need stud receivers.

That said our WR class was full without Ngata and we have six stud underclass receivers already plus a good not great one coming in. Losing Ngata hurts because he's great. I can't think of a position it would hurt less at save maybe QB.
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A great talent at any position helps. I would rather have a stud DL or OL simply because those players are harder to find on the West Coast, but pretending that WR's aren't important as long as you are good up front is FS.
 
not looking good for us but I guess it isn't over until he signs. Hopefully we can at least get an official visit. Maybe once the the luster of the trip wears off and it starts to sink in that he will be 2,600 miles away from home....

My fifth is half full
 
I may be in the minority here, but I'm Ngatas worried about not signing this kid simply because the WR position is not as valuable as the OL/DL and QB positions. Look at what winning rosters focus most on and it ain't WR. Clempson isn't beating Bama for the championship without the beastly D-line they had and Watson at QB. The WR who caught the winning TD was a try-hard, white slot receiver.

That being said, it's still a fuck up to not pick Ngata in when UW was the favorite in the not-too-distant past.
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I do kInd of agree with you in that not bother me as much in that wr is one of the easiest positions to get high level talent at. But this was set up for success and the staff failed.
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It’s beyond the single recruit and single position. It’s an indication of what our coach is capable of. What his ceiling is. This is a massive signal of what the program will be capable of.

Before Ngata to Clemson, if you asked me “Will Petersen ever win a CFB playoff game at UW” my answer would have been yes.

After this, I don’t think he will.
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I may be in the minority here, but I'm Ngatas worried about not signing this kid simply because the WR position is not as valuable as the OL/DL and QB positions. Look at what winning rosters focus most on and it ain't WR. Clempson isn't beating Bama for the championship without the beastly D-line they had and Watson at QB. The WR who caught the winning TD was a try-hard, white slot receiver.

That being said, it's still a fuck up to not pick Ngata in when UW was the favorite in the not-too-distant past.
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I do kInd of agree with you in that not bother me as much in that wr is one of the easiest positions to get high level talent at. But this was set up for success and the staff failed.
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It’s beyond the single recruit and single position. It’s an indication of what our coach is capable of. What his ceiling is. This is a massive signal of what the program will be capable of.

Before Ngata to Clemson, if you asked me “Will Petersen ever win a CFB playoff game at UW” my answer would have been yes.

After this, I don’t think he will.
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Alabama and Clemson don't get every recruit they want. All the heavyweights go toe to toe for all of the top talent, and each kid can only pick one of them. Local and regional advantages aren't as much of a fctor anymore, so we're going to have to get used to battles with national programs, many of which will be lost.

None of this points toward Petersen being unable to win playoff games. He has won some of the recruiting battles too. Plus UW has Jones, spiker, and Ozzy coming up...all big, physical receivers. Pretending we'll never have guys like that is stupid.
 
I'd rather be first than right, and would like to be the first to start the future war between Negas and Doogs over what Petermen is capable of.
 
For real.

My basic rule of thumb is that if a recruit commits to what is currently considered a better program than us (Bama, SC, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State etc) it's over for us when they commit there. Obviously there are exceptions (hi Tuli), but we know Clemson isn't going to be incompetent with Joe like SC is.

But Ngata's the one recruit I feel differently about. I never bought into the "we have every advantage for him" line, Clemson has two massive ones - recent natty and first round WR's on top of first round WR's. Those things are huge.

But they won't change between here and signing day. They are static advantages.

UW's advantages OTOH are dynamic.

Who is he going to talk to more between now and signing day, UW players or Clemson players? UW
Who is he going to spend more time with between now and signing day, UW players or Clemson players? UW
Who is he going to talk to more in person between now and signing day, UW coaches or Clemson coaches? UW
Where will he spend more time between now and signing day, Montlake or Death Valley (the lesser)? Montlake
Whose games will he see more of between now and signing day, UW or Clemson? We don't know but there's a real shot it's UW
Whose games will he attend more between now and signing day, UW or Clemson? Almost certainly UW

Yes, UW had all of these advantages last year and he still committed to Clemson. He's probably going to Clemson. But Ngata's in the rare position where he's still likely to be exposed to a ton of pro UW influence over the next four months. He's also in the rare spot where a) UW doesn't need someone at his position we are just holding a spot for him because he's special b) we aren't going to quit recruiting him because he committed elsewhere. UW's advantages are strongest during the football season, and 81% of the time between now and signing day is football season.

Now if UW takes another WR commit you can discard all this . But if we? don't (and we shouldn't), I think we still make a strong push for Ngata.

As a crazed bi-polar teen boy stocking maniac once said, it's not over til they sign.

Don't change @SpiritHorse's name to Elmer just yet.
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I honestly don’t disagree, and I feel slightly doogish for admitting that. Fuck it.
 
yeah, we gotta play well and hope that ngata gets homesick or wants to stay closer to family ... and mama ngata finds some sideways shit with clemson. we can only hope.
 
Maybe we should drop by and visit Joe during Bear week.

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Serious question. Who is the last consensus 5 Star that UW signed and showed up to Fall Camp?
 
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Serious question. Who is the last consensus 5 Star that UW signed and showed up to Fall Camp?
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Shaq
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and before that? reggie?
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people forget that charles frederick was more highly touted than Reggie, people forget that
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No he wasn’t
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This was the start of my TBSing, i swear ET was #2 and Reggie was #3, but now I look and ET is a 4* and #7. hummm do they really rerank them once players have confirmed cases of homesickness?
 
Serious question. Who is the last consensus 5 Star that UW signed and showed up to Fall Camp?
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Shaq
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and before that? reggie?
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people forget that charles frederick was more highly touted than Reggie, people forget that
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No he wasn’t
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This was the start of my TBSing, i swear ET was #2 and Reggie was #3, but now I look and ET is a 4* and #7. hummm do they really rerank them once players have confirmed cases of homesickness?
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By Scout Reggie was #2 and ET #3 WR in the nation at one poont (both 5 stars), though I think ET's ranking dropped before he got on campus. By Rivals Reggie was still very high (top 10 overall) but ET was a 4 star like 55ish overall.
 
Serious question. Who is the last consensus 5 Star that UW signed and showed up to Fall Camp?
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Shaq
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and before that? reggie?
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people forget that charles frederick was more highly touted than Reggie, people forget that
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No he wasn’t
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This was the start of my TBSing, i swear ET was #2 and Reggie was #3, but now I look and ET is a 4* and #7. hummm do they really rerank them once players have confirmed cases of homesickness?
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I think this was the time when Scout started ranking 1-5 at a position group as 5*. Number 6 would always be a 4*.
 
Shaq by every metric was the highest rated recruit we ever signed. He was #3/4 overall recruit depending on the service.
 
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