Is there a group of people more allergic to work

My wife was a high school English teacher for a decade. Every single one of the whiny excuses dismissed here were the case with her. She was National Board certified, was required to get the equivalent of a masters on the side while doing her day job, brought about 20 hours worth of work home with her per week, and topped out at about $60K (theoretically; she would have made that had she worked full-time, but this was impossible after the kids were born). The upside was getting nine weeks off in breaks every year. In the meantime, Common Core meant that every teacher had to completely revamp their lesson plans every year, so there was no getting into a groove, parents would blame her for their little shits being retards, and the kids became increasingly cruel. I could see the above arguments being valid for, say, a PE teacher or elementary school teacher or sixth grad math or something, but there are plenty of public school teachers that really do bust ass.

I pretty much begged her to quit, as she was only bringing home $500 per month after daycare, and I wasn't able to do shit on the weekends because she was grading papers. I could literally pick up one overtime shift per month and double what she brought in, so it just seemed stupid for her to be occupied seven days per week. My free time multiplied by ten for just $500 per month. It was a no-brainer. After the kids started school, she didn't want to sit around, so now she's running a business that's bringing in nearly what she was making teaching but with far fewer hours, a completely flexible schedule, and she's way happier. Win-win.

At the peak of her earning, I was making three times what she made (with better benefits and six weeks vacation to her nine) while 80% of my job involves napping, watching races or football games, surfing Hardcore Husky, etc. If we want to discuss allergic to work, try spending a day at a refinery surrounded by pussy liberal refinery workers. My biggest challenge every shift these days is getting the console operator to put the Nintendo Switch down for a second to advance permissives so I can turn a valve. It takes me two months to train an operator at a new job because they can only pay attention for a couple of hours per day. I've seen battles that last a whole day over the audacious suggestion that one perform an honest hour of work.
 
People teachers can just get a raise. They are government workers, within a government budget. They are also union workers. They just don’t get more money. If you want to teachers improve, get rid of union and best teachers get more pay. Right now,
No one cares, because they don’t need to.
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Teachers love their union.
 
My wife was a high school English teacher for a decade. Every single one of the whiny excuses dismissed here were the case with her. She was National Board certified, was required to get the equivalent of a masters on the side while doing her day job, brought about 20 hours worth of work home with her per week, and topped out at about $60K (theoretically; she would have made that had she worked full-time, but this was impossible after the kids were born). The upside was getting nine weeks off in breaks every year. In the meantime, Common Core meant that every teacher had to completely revamp their lesson plans every year, so there was no getting into a groove, parents would blame her for their little shits being retards, and the kids became increasingly cruel. I could see the above arguments being valid for, say, a PE teacher or elementary school teacher or sixth grad math or something, but there are plenty of public school teachers that really do bust ass.

I pretty much begged her to quit, as she was only bringing home $500 per month after daycare, and I wasn't able to do shit on the weekends because she was grading papers. I could literally pick up one overtime shift per month and double what she brought in, so it just seemed stupid for her to be occupied seven days per week. My free time multiplied by ten for just $500 per month. It was a no-brainer. After the kids started school, she didn't want to sit around, so now she's running a business that's bringing in nearly what she was making teaching but with far fewer hours, a completely flexible schedule, and she's way happier. Win-win.

At the peak of her earning, I was making three times what she made (with better benefits and six weeks vacation to her nine) while 80% of my job involves napping, watching races or football games, surfing Hardcore Husky, etc. If we want to discuss allergic to work, try spending a day at a refinery surrounded by pussy liberal refinery workers. My biggest challenge every shift these days is getting the console operator to put the Nintendo Switch down for a second to advance permissives so I can turn a valve. It takes me two months to train an operator at a new job because they can only pay attention for a couple of hours per day. I've seen battles that last a whole day over the audacious suggestion that one perform an honest hour of work.
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My sister is an elementary school teacher and isn’t require to do shit, and doesn’t. They get lesson plans handed to them by the state. They notion of underpaid over worked teachers is utter bullshit.
 
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Boot poor performance. Schools should be local. Open schools to enrollment no boundaries. The free market will work this shit out in few months. Money follows the child.
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As, yourself why teachers and their union are against this? Then read title of the original post.
 
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I always like to counter this argument to them by saying, you know who also has to buy their own tools. Pretty much every roofer, plumber, carpenter and mechanic.
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$820 is based on a survey of lying leftards. Sure that figure is just as solid as a teacher's work week. My son's first grade teacher was "sick" at least one day every two weeks. Usually a Monday. They couldn't fire her.

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I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!

Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.

But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.

So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
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The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.
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Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.

Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
 
I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!

Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.

But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.

So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
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The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.
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Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.

Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
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I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.

I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.

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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.

PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
 
I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!

Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.

But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.

So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
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The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.
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Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.

Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
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I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.

I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.

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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.

PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
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Thank the union for that. Most teachers hate capitalism and love the socialist narrative. I guess if a good teacher is underpaid they will take their services elsewhere, or maybe they enjoy the thought of shitty teachers doing half as much work and getting paid the same as they do. I’d guess 81% or the teachers or more vote dem all the way down the ballot. I know a couple that didn’t and they quit. They got tired of the bullshit and didn’t play along with the narrative.

My sister who teaches 10 year olds has trans kids in her class. She loves telling the little boy how pretty his dress is and plays right along with glee. She gets offended when I ask her if she’d help an anorexic girl who thinks she’s obese lose weight.
 
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I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!

Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.

But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.

So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
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The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.
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Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.

Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
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I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.

I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.

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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.

PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
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Thank the union for that. Most teachers hate capitalism and love the socialist narrative. I guess if a good teacher is underpaid they will take their services elsewhere, or maybe they enjoy the thought of shitty teachers doing half as much work and getting paid the same as they do. I’d guess 81% or the teachers or more vote dem all the way down the ballot. I know a couple that didn’t and they quit. They got tired of the bullshit and didn’t play along with the narrative.

My sister who teaches 10 year olds has trans kids in her class. She loves telling the little boy how pretty his dress is and plays right along with glee. She gets offended when I ask her if she’d help an anorexic girl who thinks she’s obese lose weight.
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I don't think that the really good teachers I had have been replaced. The learning climate in the Beaverton School District was totally different than today, class rooms were quiet and disciplined and the administration was a fraction of what it is now. While generally liberal, indoctrination wasn't part of the curriculum. Math was math, science was science and English was based on the historical classics. We did read stuff like MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail and discussed the March on Washington, but that is hardly indoctrination when you are told that we should judge people on their character and not the color of their skin. Today, you get/have to teach the opposite. I can't see any of my top teachers settling to teach in a hostile learning environment. No way my physics or chemistry teacher would be spewing any of the green new deal lies as "science".
 
I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!

Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.

But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.

So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
Click to expand...

The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.
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Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.

Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
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I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.

I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.

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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.

PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
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Thank the union for that. Most teachers hate capitalism and love the socialist narrative. I guess if a good teacher is underpaid they will take their services elsewhere, or maybe they enjoy the thought of shitty teachers doing half as much work and getting paid the same as they do. I’d guess 81% or the teachers or more vote dem all the way down the ballot. I know a couple that didn’t and they quit. They got tired of the bullshit and didn’t play along with the narrative.

My sister who teaches 10 year olds has trans kids in her class. She loves telling the little boy how pretty his dress is and plays right along with glee. She gets offended when I ask her if she’d help an anorexic girl who thinks she’s obese lose weight.
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I don't think that the really good teachers I had have been replaced. The learning climate in the Beaverton School District was totally different than today, class rooms were quiet and disciplined and the administration was a fraction of what it is now. While generally liberal, indoctrination wasn't part of the curriculum. Math was math, science was science and English was based on the historical classics. We did read stuff like MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail and discussed the March on Washington, but that is hardly indoctrination when you are told that we should judge people on their character and not the color of their skin. Today, you get/have to teach the opposite. I can't see any of my top teachers settling to teach in a hostile learning environment. No way my physics or chemistry teacher would be spewing any of the green new deal lies as "science".
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Same. We learned history and of course the civil rights movement was part of that. Read Richard Little’s Black boy. Learned about slavery including the fact that some of the founders were slave owners. But didn’t feel the need to erase them from the creation of the greatest liberal republic in the history of the world.

We reach Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring. But it didn’t come with any push of a narrative. It was, here is a book about pesticides, what do you think?

I remember reading a book by Ursula LeGuin in 1982 which described Mt Hood as bare of snow year round because of the “greenhouse effect”. There was no mention from the teacher about it. It was the first time I’d heard of it. I just thought it’s interesting that the earths temperature goes warm to cold to warm over periods of time.
 
What’s a starting salary for a public school teacher k-8? Something like 50 grand? Sheeeit we pay couriers that much.

Pay teachers more and you’ll attract better talent into teaching. Cut out the rotten administrative apparatus that gobbles up all of the funding.

I don’t buy for a minute that teachers are going into their own pockets for school supplies in any sort of mass scale, but if you’re going to require a masters equivalent then they shouldn’t make less than an Uber driver.

It’ll never happen which is why unless you’re in a good district you need to pull your kids from public schools. We’re fortunate in that regard. Most of our teachers have been fine. They’re all leftist virtue-signalling millennials but the ones I’ve talked to actually want to go in and teach core curriculum, and are opposed to VL their way through a bunch of bullshit. The latter is typically pushed at the activist level, which is not rank and file teachers, in my experience.

Go to a PTA meeting and you’ll easily see where this shit manifests and festers.
 
I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!

Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.

But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.

So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
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The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.
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Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.

Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
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I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.

I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.

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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.

PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
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Thank the union for that. Most teachers hate capitalism and love the socialist narrative. I guess if a good teacher is underpaid they will take their services elsewhere, or maybe they enjoy the thought of shitty teachers doing half as much work and getting paid the same as they do. I’d guess 81% or the teachers or more vote dem all the way down the ballot. I know a couple that didn’t and they quit. They got tired of the bullshit and didn’t play along with the narrative.

My sister who teaches 10 year olds has trans kids in her class. She loves telling the little boy how pretty his dress is and plays right along with glee. She gets offended when I ask her if she’d help an anorexic girl who thinks she’s obese lose weight.
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I don't think that the really good teachers I had have been replaced. The learning climate in the Beaverton School District was totally different than today, class rooms were quiet and disciplined and the administration was a fraction of what it is now. While generally liberal, indoctrination wasn't part of the curriculum. Math was math, science was science and English was based on the historical classics. We did read stuff like MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail and discussed the March on Washington, but that is hardly indoctrination when you are told that we should judge people on their character and not the color of their skin. Today, you get/have to teach the opposite. I can't see any of my top teachers settling to teach in a hostile learning environment. No way my physics or chemistry teacher would be spewing any of the green new deal lies as "science".
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Same. We learned history and of course the civil rights movement was part of that. Read Richard Little’s Black boy. Learned about slavery including the fact that some of the founders were slave owners. But didn’t feel the need to erase them from the creation of the greatest liberal republic in the history of the world.

We reach Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring. But it didn’t come with any push of a narrative. It was, here is a book about pesticides, what do you think?

I remember reading a book by Ursula LeGuin in 1982 which described Mt Hood as bare of snow year round because of the “greenhouse effect”. There was no mention from the teacher about it. It was the first time I’d heard of it. I just thought it’s interesting that the earths temperature goes warm to cold to warm over periods of time.
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Pointing out that Chicago was under a mile of ice 12,000 years ago and then it wasn't is now white racism. We knew there were racial problems in the US. We knew the air was polluted in some cities like Pittsburgh and LA and to a smaller degree in Portland during an inversion. Most of our neighborhood burned wood in the fireplaces and had a burn barrel in the backyard. There were no salmon runs in the Willamette because it was too polluted. There was a general consensus that this should be cleaned up and it was. But cleaning up the first 99 percent of a problem costs a fraction of the cost to clean up 100% of the problem. But to a leftard, a cost benefit analysis is also white racism. Didn't really get to the messed up 60s until I hit Eugene in 1972 and ran into the commies that hated the US and that thought we were the bad guys and Mao and Ho Chi Minh were the good guys. I wanted the war over because we had no intent to win it and that the South Vietnamese weren't committed to being free from communism. But I had no delusion that the "Peace" movement was about peace, it was about a communist victory. Most of the dems over 65 grew up in that environment and took over the public school system and higher education and now they and our students like barry or AOC are also intellectually toxic.
 
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I always like to counter this argument to them by saying, you know who also has to buy their own tools. Pretty much every roofer, plumber, carpenter and mechanic.
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$820 is based on a survey of lying leftards. Sure that figure is just as solid as a teacher's work week. My son's first grade teacher was "sick" at least one day every two weeks. Usually a Monday. They couldn't fire her.

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My wife subs. Holy fuck all. She was inundated with requests to work the first god damn day.
 
I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!

Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.

But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.

So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
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The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.
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Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.

Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
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I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.

I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.

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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.

PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
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Thank the union for that. Most teachers hate capitalism and love the socialist narrative. I guess if a good teacher is underpaid they will take their services elsewhere, or maybe they enjoy the thought of shitty teachers doing half as much work and getting paid the same as they do. I’d guess 81% or the teachers or more vote dem all the way down the ballot. I know a couple that didn’t and they quit. They got tired of the bullshit and didn’t play along with the narrative.

My sister who teaches 10 year olds has trans kids in her class. She loves telling the little boy how pretty his dress is and plays right along with glee. She gets offended when I ask her if she’d help an anorexic girl who thinks she’s obese lose weight.
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I don't think that the really good teachers I had have been replaced. The learning climate in the Beaverton School District was totally different than today, class rooms were quiet and disciplined and the administration was a fraction of what it is now. While generally liberal, indoctrination wasn't part of the curriculum. Math was math, science was science and English was based on the historical classics. We did read stuff like MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail and discussed the March on Washington, but that is hardly indoctrination when you are told that we should judge people on their character and not the color of their skin. Today, you get/have to teach the opposite. I can't see any of my top teachers settling to teach in a hostile learning environment. No way my physics or chemistry teacher would be spewing any of the green new deal lies as "science".
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Same. We learned history and of course the civil rights movement was part of that. Read Richard Little’s Black boy. Learned about slavery including the fact that some of the founders were slave owners. But didn’t feel the need to erase them from the creation of the greatest liberal republic in the history of the world.

We reach Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring. But it didn’t come with any push of a narrative. It was, here is a book about pesticides, what do you think?

I remember reading a book by Ursula LeGuin in 1982 which described Mt Hood as bare of snow year round because of the “greenhouse effect”. There was no mention from the teacher about it. It was the first time I’d heard of it. I just thought it’s interesting that the earths temperature goes warm to cold to warm over periods of time.
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Pointing out that Chicago was under a mile of ice 12,000 years ago and then it wasn't is now white racism. We knew there were racial problems in the US. We knew the air was polluted in some cities like Pittsburgh and LA and to a smaller degree in Portland during an inversion. Most of our neighborhood burned wood in the fireplaces and had a burn barrel in the backyard. There were no salmon runs in the Willamette because it was too polluted. There was a general consensus that this should be cleaned up and it was. But cleaning up the first 99 percent of a problem costs a fraction of the cost to clean up 100% of the problem. But to a leftard, a cost benefit analysis is also white racism. Didn't really get to the messed up 60s until I hit Eugene in 1972 and ran into the commies that hated the US and that thought we were the bad guys and Mao and Ho Chi Minh were the good guys. I wanted the war over because we had no intent to win it and that the South Vietnamese weren't committed to being free from communism. But I had no delusion that the "Peace" movement was about peace, it was about a communist victory. Most of the dems over 65 grew up in that environment and took over the public school system and higher education and now they and our students like barry or AOC are also intellectually toxic.
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Yep. And if you were here in the 70s you’d know it was 10 times more polluted then than now.
 
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What’s a starting salary for a public school teacher k-8? Something like 50 grand? Sheeeit we pay couriers that much.

Pay teachers more and you’ll attract better talent into teaching. Cut out the rotten administrative apparatus that gobbles up all of the funding.

I don’t buy for a minute that teachers are going into their own pockets for school supplies in any sort of mass scale, but if you’re going to require a masters equivalent then they shouldn’t make less than an Uber driver.

It’ll never happen which is why unless you’re in a good district you need to pull your kids from public schools. We’re fortunate in that regard. Most of our teachers have been fine. They’re all leftist virtue-signalling millennials but the ones I’ve talked to actually want to go in and teach core curriculum, and are opposed to VL their way through a bunch of bullshit. The latter is typically pushed at the activist level, which is not rank and file teachers, in my experience.

Go to a PTA meeting and you’ll easily see where this shit manifests and festers.
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Paying more won’t get better teachers unless the union goes away and people are measured and compensated according to results.

What’s wrong with starting right out of college at $55k and Cadillac benefits with summers off, spring break, Christmas off and all holidays. It’s a fucking part time job.
 
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If you can read this thank a teacher

Actually my mom taught me how to read
 
A teacher with a masters. How much better are they with it? Do they have more skills than an Uber driver?

0 virtue signaling lib millennials will be teaching my kids.
 
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