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Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE
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Let's be brutally honest

1/2 a natty in 1990

This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
 
Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE
Click to expand...

Let's be brutally honest

1/2 a natty in 1990

This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
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I don't completely agree

If we can get a roster of 40+ 4 star or better kids we're in a discussion to compete for a national championship ... being able to average 10 a year is actually not that much of a stretch going forward ... it's not necessarily easy but very doable.

We need to keep winning at a high level to make sure we start changing the opinions of kids ... particularly in SoCal. It would be very helpful for us to have UCLA continue to wallow in mediocrity under Mora and UCLA to be buried by the massive buyout that he has.

Even for USC, recruiting nationally has usually resulted in a program losing their way ... it's not the answer for winning championships. Stanford can get away with it a bit because of their academics. Oregon gets away with it because of Nike and because they have to expand their recruiting base given what the State of Oregon produces.

I've got absolutely nothing against us going after the 3-5 kids nationally that express a very strong interest in coming to UW whether it is because they have family in the Seattle area, really like what we're doing, etc. But what we can't do is go too hard into the national recruiting picture at the expense of losing out on our established base. The reality is that 75%+ of our recruiting classes will always come from Washington and California ... that's good enough
 
Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE
Click to expand...

Let's be brutally honest

1/2 a natty in 1990

This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
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Take this shit to HardcoreBuffaloes where it belongs!
 
Actually I really hope it's a sign
that we are stretching our normal
recruiting areas. When the new rule
comes in this year, can the 10th asst.
coach be a designated recruiter?
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Why the fuck would we want to waste time in GA? This kid is never coming to WA.
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Fuck man...... UW could use a Georgia peach every 5 years.
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Name the last commit we had from GA.
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Time to start! Jimmy Fucking Lake!!

 
Also, let's walk back this narrative that we were a good little team last year that got blown out by the 2 good teams that we played.

Before we get anywhere in this, go back and watch Browning before/after his shoulder injury ... the difference is night and day. Browning didn't lose those games for us ... it was the lack of production from the OL and notably the interior of the OL.

Going back to USC, we had 2 major issues in that game that probably don't get enough play. First, Jake Eldrenkamp had missed a handful of games before the SC game and that was his first game back ... my guess is that he was not 100% healthy going into the game and definitely had some rust to him ... it wasn't one of his finest games. When you add that to the already established weaknesses we had on the line with Center and Nick Harris getting rag dolled and that's not a recipe for success for a running game that can't get out of the backfield due to the penetration or giving time to a QB that needs it to throw open WRs with a bum arm. The other issue is that immediately after Victor broke his leg USC really started to expose the middle of the field in the pass game with their TE throughout the 2nd quarter ... it turned the balance of the game.

As for Alabama, again, it was largely OL driven for us combined with not having options in the passing game that possessed enough rare physical abilities. We've addressed the passing game option. Defensively, we showed that we were more than capable of playing on that level.
 
Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE
Click to expand...

Let's be brutally honest

1/2 a natty in 1990

This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
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What the fuck kind of shit is this? Are you a fucking retard?

First of all: where did USC get all it's talent from when it won Natties? SoCal. When they went 'national' what happened? They dropped off. Hmmm, wonder why.

Second, 1990? YEAH! WOO!! YOU SHOULD FUCKING KILL YOURSELF NOW.

This is so fucktaredly stupid I don't even have words for it.

We need good players. It doesn't matter where they come from you shit head. It just so fucking happens that all of our best players come from WA and CA... I WONDER WHY!?!!?!?!?! COULD IT BE BECAUSE... WAIT FOR IT... BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PLAYERS WHO WE HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE CHANCE WITH YOU SHIT FACE?

If it's so fucking important to get players out of 'SEC country' (a/k/a - this is how you know a poster is a fag because they reference 'SEC country'), then WHY THE FUCK does Alabama recruit guys like Foster Sarrell and Tua Tagailova?!? HMMMMM... I FUCKING WONDER.

MAYBE BECAUSE IT MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU SHIT FOR BRAINS.

If we can get a class with Fozzy, Marlon, AVT and DJ Johnson that is all you fucking need. And, guess what shit for brains, those guys had us in their top tier because: they were close to us. NO FUCKING WAY!!! IT IS A SHOCKER!!!

Hmmm - funny, you know what? Guess who recruited those guys: Bama, Michigan, Ohio State and Miami. HOLY FUCK!!!!

WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!

MIND. BLOWN.
 
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Going national WILL NEVER be a strategy for us and more importantly IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE
Click to expand...

Let's be brutally honest

1/2 a natty in 1990

This past year The Dubs played two good teams, and well...

Washington can sustain staying in the Top 10 for awhile with great coaching and players mostly from Wash and Cali - but there is no reason to believe they will win a natty with the current formula...

If the goal is to be competitive and exciting, then no, they don't need to go national

But if the goal is a natty, they may need to lure a few 4 and 5 stars from Ohio, Michigan, Texas and / or SEC country
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What the fuck kind of shit is this? Are you a fucking retard?

First of all: where did USC get all it's talent from when it won Natties? SoCal. When they went 'national' what happened? They dropped off. Hmmm, wonder why.

Second, 1990? YEAH! WOO!! YOU SHOULD FUCKING KILL YOURSELF NOW.

This is so fucktaredly stupid I don't even have words for it.

We need good players. It doesn't matter where they come from you shit head. It just so fucking happens that all of our best players come from WA and CA... I WONDER WHY!?!!?!?!?! COULD IT BE BECAUSE... WAIT FOR IT... BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PLAYERS WHO WE HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE CHANCE WITH YOU SHIT FACE?

If it's so fucking important to get players out of 'SEC country' (a/k/a - this is how you know a poster is a fag because they reference 'SEC country'), then WHY THE FUCK does Alabama recruit guys like Foster Sarrell and Tua Tagailova?!? HMMMMM... I FUCKING WONDER.

MAYBE BECAUSE IT MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU SHIT FOR BRAINS.

If we can get a class with Fozzy, Marlon, AVT and DJ Johnson that is all you fucking need. And, guess what shit for brains, those guys had us in their top tier because: they were close to us. NO FUCKING WAY!!! IT IS A SHOCKER!!!

Hmmm - funny, you know what? Guess who recruited those guys: Bama, Michigan, Ohio State and Miami. HOLY FUCK!!!!

WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!

MIND. BLOWN.
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Meds dialed in
 
Also, let's walk back this narrative that we were a good little team last year that got blown out by the 2 good teams that we played.

Before we get anywhere in this, go back and watch Browning before/after his shoulder injury ... the difference is night and day. Browning didn't lose those games for us ... it was the lack of production from the OL and notably the interior of the OL.

Going back to USC, we had 2 major issues in that game that probably don't get enough play. First, Jake Eldrenkamp had missed a handful of games before the SC game and that was his first game back ... my guess is that he was not 100% healthy going into the game and definitely had some rust to him ... it wasn't one of his finest games. When you add that to the already established weaknesses we had on the line with Center and Nick Harris getting rag dolled and that's not a recipe for success for a running game that can't get out of the backfield due to the penetration or giving time to a QB that needs it to throw open WRs with a bum arm. The other issue is that immediately after Victor broke his leg USC really started to expose the middle of the field in the pass game with their TE throughout the 2nd quarter ... it turned the balance of the game.

As for Alabama, again, it was largely OL driven for us combined with not having options in the passing game that possessed enough rare physical abilities. We've addressed the passing game option. Defensively, we showed that we were more than capable of playing on that level.
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If you go back and re-do our recruiting such that we hit on 10 4+ stars every year (which we did in '17; guys we had a real shot at), we would've been a totally different team this year.

2012 (we had 4 4+stars):
Josh Garnett
Zach Banner
Keiverae Russell
Jordan Payton
Michael Rector

2013 (we had 8):
Daeshon Hall
Evan Voeller

2014 (we had 4):
Joe Mixon
Dalton Schultz
Jacob Tuioti-Mariner
Ainuu Taua

2015 (we had 8):
Tristen Hoge
JoJo Wicker

2016 (we had 8):
N'Keal Harry
Jacob Eason

All of those kids are guys from the west coast who we had ties to and lost out on for whatever reason. Just having those dudes would've completely changed the season.
 
DDY you cuss beautifully, you hurl insults like the town drunk berating cops - but it doesn't change the fact UW hasn't been particularly effective with their current formula...

Blame Ty, blame Sark, blame Bubushka, whatever...

I'm sure you have researched it enough to know the state of Washington is #22 in average number of Division I recruits produced per year - even Maryland, Indiana and Arizona produce more annual recruits

History shows what history shows - UW would benefit from broadening the recruiting base

No combination of passionately hurled chastisements and infantile name calling will change that - though it is entertaining

And yes, I know the 1/2 natty was 1991...but correcting a typo wasn't that high a priority
 
DDY you cuss beautifully, you hurl insults like the town drunk berating cops - but it doesn't change the fact UW hasn't been particularly effective with their current formula...

Blame Ty, blame Sark, blame Bubushka, whatever...

I'm sure you have researched it enough to know the state of Washington is #22 in average number of Division I recruits produced per year - even Maryland, Indiana and Arizona produce more annual recruits

History shows what history shows - UW would benefit from broadening the recruiting base

No combination of passionately hurled chastisements and infantile name calling will change that - though it is entertaining

And yes, I know the 1/2 natty was 1991...but correcting a typo wasn't that high a priority
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What you're saying makes no sense. I'm showing you right there: the strategy has not been done well because we have had shit coaches.

We finally have a good one.

We got the most 4-star kids we've ever gotten last year. If we can stack classes like that and expand that to add two 4-star kids every year it makes no fucking difference where they come from. There is NO EVIDENCE that the formula to win Natties includes getting kids from "SEC country". Reggie Bush? Matt Leinert? LenDale White? Rey Maualuga?

All from Cali.

Also, you're stupid fucking stat about WA talent production is retarded.

It doesn't matter what rank we are - we don't need ranked data here. We get a disproportionate number of the top WA players, so the only thing that matters is how many players come out. 6-8 kids per year is an amazing advantage. Salvon, Henry B, Fozzy, etc, getting those kids is step #1 to greatness.

The reason why WA recruiting is so important for us is that we would never sniff a kid like Sirmon if he were in SoCal. But because he's in WA, we are automatically on the short list. All of our 5-stars for the past 25 years have been from WA save for 1.

It's not fucking physics. It's adding one simple fucking variable to the equation.

It's about YIELD.

Can you calculate expected value? Try that!

Fuck.

So, there's no evidence that kids from "SEC country" have led to natties for P12 teams and we were 5 good WC players away from a natty last year and now you think the strategy doesn't work because you have a boner for the dumb narrative of "SEC talent"?

Great job.
 
Also, let's walk back this narrative that we were a good little team last year that got blown out by the 2 good teams that we played.

Before we get anywhere in this, go back and watch Browning before/after his shoulder injury ... the difference is night and day. Browning didn't lose those games for us ... it was the lack of production from the OL and notably the interior of the OL.

Going back to USC, we had 2 major issues in that game that probably don't get enough play. First, Jake Eldrenkamp had missed a handful of games before the SC game and that was his first game back ... my guess is that he was not 100% healthy going into the game and definitely had some rust to him ... it wasn't one of his finest games. When you add that to the already established weaknesses we had on the line with Center and Nick Harris getting rag dolled and that's not a recipe for success for a running game that can't get out of the backfield due to the penetration or giving time to a QB that needs it to throw open WRs with a bum arm. The other issue is that immediately after Victor broke his leg USC really started to expose the middle of the field in the pass game with their TE throughout the 2nd quarter ... it turned the balance of the game.

As for Alabama, again, it was largely OL driven for us combined with not having options in the passing game that possessed enough rare physical abilities. We've addressed the passing game option. Defensively, we showed that we were more than capable of playing on that level.
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If you go back and re-do our recruiting such that we hit on 10 4+ stars every year (which we did in '17; guys we had a real shot at), we would've been a totally different team this year.

2012 (we had 4 4+stars):
Josh Garnett
Zach Banner
Keiverae Russell
Jordan Payton
Michael Rector

2013 (we had 8):
Daeshon Hall
Evan Voeller

2014 (we had 4):
Joe Mixon
Dalton Schultz
Jacob Tuioti-Mariner
Ainuu Taua

2015 (we had 8):
Tristen Hoge
JoJo Wicker

2016 (we had 8):
N'Keal Harry
Jacob Eason

All of those kids are guys from the west coast who we had ties to and lost out on for whatever reason. Just having those dudes would've completely changed the season.
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Just looking at the bolder players ...

That covers the shortfall in the OL by solidifying the interior ... solidifies our miss on the outside with Hall by providing a significant upgrade over PSALM ... and provides a big WR that we didn't particularly have on the roster last year that could have provided a significant receiving option to Browning against the high quality athletes from USC and Alabama.

The gap isn't that significant.
 
DDY you cuss beautifully, you hurl insults like the town drunk berating cops - but it doesn't change the fact UW hasn't been particularly effective with their current formula...

Blame Ty, blame Sark, blame Bubushka, whatever...

I'm sure you have researched it enough to know the state of Washington is #22 in average number of Division I recruits produced per year - even Maryland, Indiana and Arizona produce more annual recruits

History shows what history shows - UW would benefit from broadening the recruiting base

No combination of passionately hurled chastisements and infantile name calling will change that - though it is entertaining

And yes, I know the 1/2 natty was 1991...but correcting a typo wasn't that high a priority
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Not sure it matters ...

By and large we have a fence around this state and don't share very many of our top end recruits with other states (OL excluded) ...

You've offered ZERO evidence to suggest that getting 6-8 kids per class out of Washington and California each isn't a sustainable strategy ...

IF it is a sustainable strategy ... then you are cherry picking the rest of the class from around the country ... very doable.

Where this program gets in trouble is when it needs to recruit 25 in a class.
 
The one counter-point I'll make to Teq's geographic recruiting distribution is that the 2018 in-state class is really weak in terms of the type of talent UW is trying to get. Sirmon, Culp, Gordon, and Harrison are the only offers out. Maybe MJ Ale gets an offer and maybe one more random kid blows up his senior year ala Joe Tryon.

But low odds we get all of those guys... Gordon is looking around, Harrison got a crystal ball to Michigan from a national guy at 247 today, Ale already has 5 PAC12 offers and we don't seem super serious about him yet... just a lot of uncertainty.

So it kinda makes sense that in this cycle, we're looking more heavily in California, Utah, and out East with offers like this GA kid, Jack Sirmon, and a few Florida guys.
 
The one counter-point I'll make to Teq's geographic recruiting distribution is that the 2018 in-state class is really weak in terms of the type of talent UW is trying to get. Sirmon, Culp, Gordon, and Harrison are the only offers out. Maybe MJ Ale gets an offer and maybe one more random kid blows up his senior year ala Joe Tryon.

But low odds we get all of those guys... Gordon is looking around, Harrison got a crystal ball to Michigan from a national guy at 247 today, Ale already has 5 PAC12 offers and we don't seem super serious about him yet... just a lot of uncertainty.

So it kinda makes sense that in this cycle, we're looking more heavily in California, Utah, and out East with offers like this GA kid, Jack Sirmon, and a few Florida guys.
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I still think we? end up offering Wilson at some point, but it might be late. But yeah, ugly year in Washington.
 
There's going to be years where from an in-state perspective things are great and some years where it is not great ...

There will always be small tweaks to the numbers ...

But the point being that if your foundation is that you're looking at the start of your class at 75% of your recruits being in-state and California kids ... that's a good foundation.

When you start the process, you go through and look to see how attainable those numbers are. When you see that the numbers are off whether it be geographically or from a position standpoint you start making contingency plans and adjusting accordingly.

No plan worth a shit is black and white and never deviated from ... variables change all the time. But that doesn't mean it's not a bad idea to not have a foundation in place to start with.
 
Look I want to see the Dubs win it all and hope you guys are right -

and I hope DDY stays frenzied and unmedicated, hope there's no cure and his explicative included comments continue

In a proper context, I stand by my original assertion - I like the move of trying to pull someone out of Georgia, it's low risk potentially huge reward, especially if they get a few kids a year to head west

UW is doing a great job of getting in state talent, can't look for improvement there

And yes Cali is a top 3 high school talent state, and UW does well there too

Not sure there is much more to be pulled out of those two states, UW may be maximized there, and one other fertile recruiting ground would be ideal

Yeah, I know, I'm a goat sucking drippy cunted ignoramous who wishes he was locked in a giraffe cage getting fucked by hyenas blah blah blah
 
Look I want to see the Dubs win it all and hope you guys are right -

and I hope DDY stays frenzied and unmedicated, hope there's no cure and his explicative included comments continue

In a proper context, I stand by my original assertion - I like the move of trying to pull someone out of Georgia, it's low risk potentially huge reward, especially if they get a few kids a year to head west

UW is doing a great job of getting in state talent, can't look for improvement there

And yes Cali is a top 3 high school talent state, and UW does well there too

Not sure there is much more to be pulled out of those two states, UW may be maximized there, and one other fertile recruiting ground would be ideal

Yeah, I know, I'm a goat sucking drippy cunted ignoramous who wishes he was locked in a giraffe cage getting fucked by hyenas blah blah blah
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This alone earned you a chincredible vote.
 
Look I want to see the Dubs win it all and hope you guys are right -

and I hope DDY stays frenzied and unmedicated, hope there's no cure and his explicative included comments continue

In a proper context, I stand by my original assertion - I like the move of trying to pull someone out of Georgia, it's low risk potentially huge reward, especially if they get a few kids a year to head west

UW is doing a great job of getting in state talent, can't look for improvement there

And yes Cali is a top 3 high school talent state, and UW does well there too

Not sure there is much more to be pulled out of those two states, UW may be maximized there, and one other fertile recruiting ground would be ideal

Yeah, I know, I'm a goat sucking drippy cunted ignoramous who wishes he was locked in a giraffe cage getting fucked by hyenas blah blah blah
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...go on. For a fren.
 
I think the staff has been trying to get a bigger presence in Ut and Az. I like adding those two states because there is some talent there and the State schools aren't USC and UCLA.
 
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