If Lake is fired, who’s in the candidate pool?

[lawsandl]

Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.

Just imagine if the two best teams you played could actually throw the ball. Some of the passing numbers are being bolstered from an unprecedented schedule of bad passers.

Imagine the best passer on any given year is Chase Garbers. That doesn’t come around often.

 

[CallMeBigErn]

Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.

The easiest giveaway that you’re dealing with an idiot is if they use PPG as their metric.

Raw stats like PPG are horseshit in a sport that has a wildly variable 120+ teams. I thought this was well established and widely accepted for the last 10+ years, or at least since the advent of ADVANCED METRICS, but I'm not surprised to see that @CallMeBigErn is once again behind the curve on this one.

Neanderthals. If you have an offense that averages 30 ppg and a defense that gives up 19 ppg, you generally win more games than when your offense is averaging 22 and your defense gives up 19 ppg.

You disagree that the offense is the problem or are you completely missing the point?

Both the offense and defense are the problem. The offense is just historically bad. Special teams are awful too.

Sure, I guess. I'm making the argument that the offense is 10x the problem that the defense is. The defense is still pretty good despite the shitshow situations they've been put in all year. Many of their woes are directly correlated with the offensive offense pissing down their leg at every opportunity. Where would our incredible @GreenRiverGatorz -approved advanced defensive metrics be with even a serviceable offense? Teams don't even test our defensive strength this year because they don't have to. It's a horrible snowball effect. The O has killed everything. May we never have to speak of the 2021 UW offense again.

 

[Quietcowskee]

Looks like Lake is the top candidate

He can still coach a defense. Hopefully he makes some better moves in hiring and adds more to the S&C program. Oregon punked UW in the trenches and on paper those recruits were better.

Yeah but we beat Stanford so

 

[Quietcowskee]

Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.

Just imagine if the two best teams you played could actually throw the ball. Some of the passing numbers are being bolstered from an unprecedented schedule of bad passers.

Imagine the best passer on any given year is Chase Garbers. That doesn’t come around often.

Stanford’s guy can pass.

 

[CallMeBigErn]

Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.

The defense is good. It’s not great and far from elite.

Never meant to imply that the defense was great. I'm implying that it would be better if our offense was worth 1/2 of a shit. It's like clockwork every week. The script is known. Teams get ahead and start running knowing that our offense can't sustain anything. They continue to pound until we're gassed and they start chunking. I could write the gameplan against UW. It's child's play. The defense doesn't deserve immunity but they don't deserve to be raked over the coals like the offense does. Not even close. We're a ranked team with even an average offense and the whole narrative is different. Dono and DyMo need to be shot into space, never to be seen or heard from again, god willing.

 

[dirtysouwfdawg]

I don't see us landing a Campbell or Fickell right now. Campbell has had many opportunities to leave and Fickell will be a top option for SEC/BIG 10/ACC schools. He's not a guy who will stick out here. If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

That being said, I'm still not convinced that Jimmy isn't the coach with the highest ceiling. Pretty much every HOF coach was decidedly average in their first years as coaches/first years at a school. Peterson was 5-7 at UW, Saban was 7-6 at Bama, Pete Carroll was 6-6 at USC, the list goes on. Coaches need seasoning just like players and every other occupation. Installing your system takes time. He's clearly on the wrong trend but I see a situation where our issues are 99% on our OC and QB. This is a 6-3 to 8-1 team if our offense was even AVERAGE. The fix is obvious. My biggest concern with Jimmy is that he is still rolling out the same trash every fucking week. Stubbornness can be a good and bad quality in an HC. This isn't a good kind.

Welcome back

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

What are the key metrics then?

 

[dirtysouwfdawg]

If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!

Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.

It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.

The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.

This is not on brand for you… WTF.

You’re a doog and then come up with a list that doesn’t include nick saban.

Did you get some perspective on your sabbatical?

 

[lawsandl]

Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.

Just imagine if the two best teams you played could actually throw the ball. Some of the passing numbers are being bolstered from an unprecedented schedule of bad passers.

Imagine the best passer on any given year is Chase Garbers. That doesn’t come around often.

Stanford’s guy can pass.

He’s not a good qb yet. He has some good tools but not a complete qb.

 

[chuck]

Jimmy's D is hardly an issue. Leading the conference in PPG allowed (19.7) despite all the short fields they've been given. Yeah, they get worn down throughout games and start getting gashed like clockwork but can you blame them? You gotta be @GrandpaSankey to not see where the issues are.

The issues are with Lake.

 

[ntxduck]

If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!

Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.

It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.

The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.

This is not on brand for you… WTF.

You’re a doog and then come up with a list that doesn’t include nick saban.

Did you get some perspective on your sabbatical?

The Cristobal was trash as a hc previously is weird. Easily the most successful coach in fiu program history. Going 8-5 at fiu is more impressive than going 11-1 at Oregon.

 

[lawsandl]

Furthermore, @GreenRiverGatorz , UW is 14th nationally in your futuristic hyper-advanced defensive FEI ratings. Good try.

The defense is good. It’s not great and far from elite.

Never meant to imply that the defense was great. I'm implying that it would be better if our offense was worth 1/2 of a shit. It's like clockwork every week. The script is known. Teams get ahead and start running knowing that our offense can't sustain anything. They continue to pound until we're gassed and they start chunking. I could write the gameplan against UW. It's child's play. The defense doesn't deserve immunity but they don't deserve to be raked over the coals like the offense does. Not even close. We're a ranked team with even an average offense and the whole narrative is different. Dono and DyMo need to be shot into space, never to be seen or heard from again, god willing.

Oregon was making 3-5 yards in the first half. We would’ve been better off not even passing. Good rush defenses stop a rushing attack dead in its tracks in the 1st quarter.

 

[AtomicDawg]

What are the key metrics then?

Don’t know where we rank in the stats but some are listed below. Probably have acronyms different but the analytic nerds can sort this out if needed. When Oregon played with tempo total yards and ppg was a worthless stat as an example. They had good defenses some Years but never had the rep. I thought most understood this. We shorten the game so our totals are all less….

-Points per possession
-Yards per play
-points given up when the game is within one score
-% of yards given up vs yards to gain vs down
-3rd and 4th down conversion %
-turnovers caused

 

[CallMeBigErn]

If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!

Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.

It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.

This is not on brand for you… WTF.

You’re a doog and then come up with a list that doesn’t include nick saban.

Did you get some perspective on your sabbatical?

Can't reply to the correct post? Combined with your clueless statement I see that your Dumbfuck of the Day title remains unchallenged.

Still waiting on @FremontTroll 's suggestions. Edge of my seat shit. The tension is palpable.

 

[lawsandl]

If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!

Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.

It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.

The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.

This is not on brand for you… WTF.

You’re a doog and then come up with a list that doesn’t include nick saban.

Did you get some perspective on your sabbatical?

The Cristobal was trash as a hc previously is weird. Easily the most successful coach in fiu program history. Going 8-5 at fiu is more impressive than going 11-1 at Oregon.

It’s another case of looking at raw stats and looking no further. People should go look at his coordinators during his tenure there too. If Cristobal does anything elite outside of recruiting, it’s assembling a staff. I also like his roster management.

He and Lake were vying for worst game clock management yesterday though.

 

[Tripper_Johnson]

If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!

Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.

Maybe we can get Central Washington’s coach to come on with Taylor and Browning can be the offensive coordinator. Seriously GTFO.

 

[RudeboyMathamagician]

Katie Sowers sounds like a top candidate for Cohen

 

[CallMeBigErn]

If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!

Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.

It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.

The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.

This is not on brand for you… WTF.

You’re a doog and then come up with a list that doesn’t include nick saban.

Did you get some perspective on your sabbatical?

The Cristobal was trash as a hc previously is weird. Easily the most successful coach in fiu program history. Going 8-5 at fiu is more impressive than going 11-1 at Oregon.

27-47. Much wow.

The point is good coaches can come from anywhere, even ones that have been shit previously (like Cristobal). Armchair AD @FremontTroll thinks we can get Urban Saban and that UW is above getting Sitake or DeBoer. Those guys must be amateurs because they're at BYU and Fresno State. UW would never stoop so low as to hire a coach from BYU, Fresno State, or Boise State. This is THEE University of WASHINGTON. Coaches at those types of schools are peasants and could never fit in with a program of UW's incredible prestige.

 

[lawsandl]

If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!

Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.

It’s not cherry picking that is a list for Arizona or WSU. This is not the time for your low expectations bullshit.

The post was framed around being realistic you dipshit. Not sure what your pie in the sky expectations are. Cristobal himself was a no-name hire that was trash as an HC previously. The only way we get a household name HC at UW is MAYBE if Petersen becomes AD or something. Please list your candidates so I can laugh them off the face of the earth.

This is not on brand for you… WTF.

You’re a doog and then come up with a list that doesn’t include nick saban.

Did you get some perspective on your sabbatical?

The Cristobal was trash as a hc previously is weird. Easily the most successful coach in fiu program history. Going 8-5 at fiu is more impressive than going 11-1 at Oregon.

27-47. Much wow.

The point is good coaches can come from anywhere, even ones that have been shit previously (like Cristobal). Armchair AD @FremontTroll thinks we can get Urban Saban and that UW is above getting Sitake or DeBoer. Those guys must be amateurs because they're at BYU and Fresno State. UW would never stoop so low as to hire a coach from BYU, Fresno State, or Boise State. This is THEE University of WASHINGTON. Those coaches are peasants.

You realize the starting point was the worst FBS program in the country, right? He won more games every year until he was the Sun Belt conference champion. He was fired because of rash of injuries to star players and in the Sub Belt where you can’t recruit depth, that’s a problem.

FIU fans said his firing was a huge mistake. That team literally had no facilities.

 

[CallMeBigErn]

If we're being realistic and want an experienced HC with west coast-ish ties who may not jump at the earliest opportunity, I'm looking at the following...

Top? options: Sitake, DeBoer, Matt Entz (North Dakota State HC, least west coast ties of all listed here)

Slightly under the top? options, but an argument could be made: Choate, Troy Taylor (Sac State HC and passing game savant. Could be good for Huard), Aaron Best (EWU HC), Brent Vigen (Montana State HC, took over for Choate, first year HC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalani_Sitakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalen_DeBoerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Choatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Besthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen

Ffs Troy Taylor was run out as the OC at Utah and you want to consider him at Uw? His scheme and qb nearly killed Britain covey and scored a total of 1 TD in 2 games on us that year before he was told to LEAVE!

Okay, cherry-pick the example that doesn't make sense to you. I'm throwing it out there. Being a first-time OC for Whittingham is much different than being a HC. You know that. Taylor is doing very well at Sac State. Not saying he's my top choice by any means, but I wouldn't use his Utah first-time OC experience and Britain Covey's deaths as barometers for his HC abilities.

Maybe we can get Central Washington’s coach to come on with Taylor and Browning can be the offensive coordinator. Seriously GTFO.

Right, because my argument was to hire Troy Taylor. I made a list of potential candidates that have had some HC success and may be looking up, you fuckwit. Get back on the field, Trip. We need you out there.