If I like my nuclear family, may I keep it?

[RaceBannon]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

You know who's not homeless? Immigrants. Legal or illegal. They tend to have a pretty extensive support network.

Imagine being such a shit bag IRL that you can't find shelter with one friend or family member until you can get back on your feet. It's not a cost of living issue.

In my look into the abyss it was family that made the difference with some well placed rent money. All paid back with interest. Just in case

When you left HH with no communication I thought it was because you were disillusioned with Sark. LOL

I was so poor I couldn't even pretend to be rich

 

[DerekJohnson]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

I was raised in a dysfunctional and violent household. In my mid-twenties I rented the downstairs from a Punjabi family. They took a liking to Stalin and kind of "adopted" me into their family events upstairs. Relatives in-and-out of the house all the time, a real family network. The "mom" lovingly cooking tandoori chicken for me. Etc. They kept giving me chai until I told them I couldn't stand it. Then suddenly their fridge was miraculously filled with Coke/Diet Coke.

 

[MikeDamone]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

I was raised in a dysfunctional and violent household. In my mid-twenties I rented the downstairs from a Punjabi family. They took a liking to Stalin and kind of "adopted" me into their family events upstairs. Relatives in-and-out of the house all the time, a real family network. The "mom" lovingly cooking tandoori chicken for me. Etc. They kept giving me chai until I told them I couldn't stand it. Then suddenly their fridge was miraculously filled with Coke/Diet Coke.

I'm hearing you and your real mom are pretty close.

So you have an auntie porn fetish?

 

[DerekJohnson]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

I was raised in a dysfunctional and violent household. In my mid-twenties I rented the downstairs from a Punjabi family. They took a liking to Stalin and kind of "adopted" me into their family events upstairs. Relatives in-and-out of the house all the time, a real family network. The "mom" lovingly cooking tandoori chicken for me. Etc. They kept giving me chai until I told them I couldn't stand it. Then suddenly their fridge was miraculously filled with Coke/Diet Coke.

I'm hearing you and your real mom are pretty close.

So you have an auntie porn fetish?

 

[georgiaduck]

Umm... Damone has been right on this topic for several years. It's obvious. The leftists wants to pretend it's not a problem because it forces people to take personal responsibility and not claim they are victims of oppression. There is no money in that and it weakens their power.

Moreover, it makes people replace the family unit with the state. Stateists of all stripes want people to think of the government as their benefactor first. Religion, family, etc. is all antithetical to that view.

A few weeks ago a kid sold bracelets to raise money to pay lunch debts for classmates. It was a feel good story about how kind this kid is. The comments were a lot of "all school lunches should be free". I disagreed. That simply teaches that the state provides your basic needs and the parents have no responsibility to even feed there kids. Of course I'm the asshole because "they are kids!" and people can't afford it. Bullshit. They can afford it. It takes a bit of effort to make a lunch. It can be done for a $1.50 and 10 minutes of prep. But why should they since the state will do it and they can get a few more minutes of sleep and have money for weed?

It takes .25 or less to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which will get any kid through the fucking school day. IDC how pours you are, you can make your kid a fucking sandwich unless you have to sleep in, in which case don't have kids.

6 year old little yella won't eat anything but PB n J for school lunch. I get up each morning at 645AM. #dryjanuary Mon - Thursday nights and no smoking tweeds except on speshial occasions. It's hard.

We pay our daycare for lunch. Doog_bot_2.0 eats according to their schedule and whatever crazy government mandated licensing requirements they have to abide by. Probably something that increases nutrition by zero percent. That said, it's efficient delegation of the task in the name of economic specialization.

Don't get me wrong ... I'm not saying you HAVE to make your kid's lunch to be a good parent. That would be needless moralizing. What I am saying is don't give me this shit that my property taxes have to go up just a smidge to finance a bigger free lunch for the pours. I don't mind paying into a fund, call in whatever you wish, to help reduce the brutality of existence for those who truly can't help themselves. But if you're focused enough to carry a kid for 9 mos. you're focused enough to work and make the kid something to eat. Period. I'm for public shaming on this issue: kid comes to school chronically underfed? Shame the fuck out of mom and dad (if there be one). As I said, PB&J for a quartuh, if that. It's just lazy ass fucking people who want the rest of us to pay their way.

This won't be the most popular post, but if your kid gets free lunch and you have a new tattoo and your hair just done, no more free lunch. I'm all for helping hungry kids who want an education, I'm not in favor of funding parents poor spending habits.

 

[MisterEm]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

Except that some family structure yield better outcomes than others. Family is dead for large swaths of American society. The State has been part of the problem.

Gosh maybe we should encourage the ones that work better? Too radical?

According to my kid's kindergarten class, yes, this is too radical. We're supposed to support disruption of western values.

You are obviously an engaged parent ready to counteract the transition surgery of lil Yellow. That's like #1 on the hit parade. Requires time and effort.

Almost 25 years ago my Black friend told me about how his second grader came home and told him that the teacher told the class they couldn't be spanked anymore. So of course he gave her a spanking and said tell your teacher to come see me if she has a problem

Today the teacher probably would call the cops.

People disagree on spanking and abuse is of course WRONG and teachers should be on the lookout for signs but not interfere to that level.

I was spanked and my wife was tuff on the boy but he ended up THANKFUL for it. I'm glad she wan't my mom. I thought the wooden spoon was bad

Kids need discipline. And love.

I put the fear of god in the kids all the time. The kids have been present when I talk to the teachers about their progressive nonsense. Shit...a few weeks ago I had to chat with the teacher because lil' Yella blurted out in class "My daddy doesn't like Black Lives Matter".

Good chit, Yella.

I got banned from attending one of my kid's sports leagues because he told the coach I'd spank his ass after the coach told me what happened at the dive grass camp with another kid.

"We wont tolerate beating our children, nor tolerate the aggressor"

Bullshit, he deserved it. And he handled center mid just fine the rest of the year.

 

[creepycoug]

Umm... Damone has been right on this topic for several years. It's obvious. The leftists wants to pretend it's not a problem because it forces people to take personal responsibility and not claim they are victims of oppression. There is no money in that and it weakens their power.

Moreover, it makes people replace the family unit with the state. Stateists of all stripes want people to think of the government as their benefactor first. Religion, family, etc. is all antithetical to that view.

A few weeks ago a kid sold bracelets to raise money to pay lunch debts for classmates. It was a feel good story about how kind this kid is. The comments were a lot of "all school lunches should be free". I disagreed. That simply teaches that the state provides your basic needs and the parents have no responsibility to even feed there kids. Of course I'm the asshole because "they are kids!" and people can't afford it. Bullshit. They can afford it. It takes a bit of effort to make a lunch. It can be done for a $1.50 and 10 minutes of prep. But why should they since the state will do it and they can get a few more minutes of sleep and have money for weed?

It takes .25 or less to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which will get any kid through the fucking school day. IDC how pours you are, you can make your kid a fucking sandwich unless you have to sleep in, in which case don't have kids.

6 year old little yella won't eat anything but PB n J for school lunch. I get up each morning at 645AM. #dryjanuary Mon - Thursday nights and no smoking tweeds except on speshial occasions. It's hard.

We pay our daycare for lunch. Doog_bot_2.0 eats according to their schedule and whatever crazy government mandated licensing requirements they have to abide by. Probably something that increases nutrition by zero percent. That said, it's efficient delegation of the task in the name of economic specialization.

Don't get me wrong ... I'm not saying you HAVE to make your kid's lunch to be a good parent. That would be needless moralizing. What I am saying is don't give me this shit that my property taxes have to go up just a smidge to finance a bigger free lunch for the pours. I don't mind paying into a fund, call in whatever you wish, to help reduce the brutality of existence for those who truly can't help themselves. But if you're focused enough to carry a kid for 9 mos. you're focused enough to work and make the kid something to eat. Period. I'm for public shaming on this issue: kid comes to school chronically underfed? Shame the fuck out of mom and dad (if there be one). As I said, PB&J for a quartuh, if that. It's just lazy ass fucking people who want the rest of us to pay their way.

This won't be the most popular post, but if your kid gets free lunch and you have a new tattoo and your hair just done, no more free lunch. I'm all for helping hungry kids who want an education, I'm not in favor of funding parents poor spending habits.

Exactly right. You have to press the issue at the source. IDRGAF. If they get a free lunch and don't pay it back, then we should have something simple and smoothly worked out like workman's and mechanic's liens. We did that so that people who already work hard don't get fucked by people can pay but don't pay. Create something like that so that any fucking thing of value that these deadbeats have has a lien on it until you repay the public for free-loading.

The Welfare state is a bitch.

 

[TurdBomber]

Umm... Damone has been right on this topic for several years. It's obvious. The leftists wants to pretend it's not a problem because it forces people to take personal responsibility and not claim they are victims of oppression. There is no money in that and it weakens their power.

How would you repair the nuclear family at this point? Seems like things are so far gone for pours even if we could fix disincentives in welfare state.

My kids will have a stronger nuclear family than they grew up in. Mostly because they love their grandparents and benefit from the wisdom of earlier generations.

Also because they were never coddled and don't expect perfection delivered to them on a silver platter, like most whiny cunts today.

 

[TurdBomber]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

Except that some family structure yield better outcomes than others. Family is dead for large swaths of American society. The State has been part of the problem.

Gosh maybe we should encourage the ones that work better? Too radical?

According to my kid's kindergarten class, yes, this is too radical. We're supposed to support disruption of western values.

I've got one kid left in SPS and I feel like I dodged a million bullets. Get the fuck out as soon as you can. It's all going to shit.

 

[TurdBomber]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

Except that some family structure yield better outcomes than others. Family is dead for large swaths of American society. The State has been part of the problem.

Gosh maybe we should encourage the ones that work better? Too radical?

According to my kid's kindergarten class, yes, this is too radical. We're supposed to support disruption of western values.

You are obviously an engaged parent ready to counteract the transition surgery of lil Yellow. That's like #1 on the hit parade. Requires time and effort.

Almost 25 years ago my Black friend told me about how his second grader came home and told him that the teacher told the class they couldn't be spanked anymore. So of course he gave her a spanking and said tell your teacher to come see me if she has a problem

Today the teacher probably would call the cops.

People disagree on spanking and abuse is of course WRONG and teachers should be on the lookout for signs but not interfere to that level.

I was spanked and my wife was tuff on the boy but he ended up THANKFUL for it. I'm glad she wan't my mom. I thought the wooden spoon was bad[/b]

Kids need discipline. And love.

One of the Throbber's two moms applied the wooden spoon religiously until she broke one on my ass and the Throbber laughed. Not good.

Then she switched to hot wheels tracks. Those motherfuckers HURT.

Son of Bitch, did those ever hurt! What sadist first replaced the yard stick with those barbaric torture implements?

 

[YellowSnow]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

Except that some family structure yield better outcomes than others. Family is dead for large swaths of American society. The State has been part of the problem.

Gosh maybe we should encourage the ones that work better? Too radical?

According to my kid's kindergarten class, yes, this is too radical. We're supposed to support disruption of western values.

You are obviously an engaged parent ready to counteract the transition surgery of lil Yellow. That's like #1 on the hit parade. Requires time and effort.

Almost 25 years ago my Black friend told me about how his second grader came home and told him that the teacher told the class they couldn't be spanked anymore. So of course he gave her a spanking and said tell your teacher to come see me if she has a problem

Today the teacher probably would call the cops.

People disagree on spanking and abuse is of course WRONG and teachers should be on the lookout for signs but not interfere to that level.

I was spanked and my wife was tuff on the boy but he ended up THANKFUL for it. I'm glad she wan't my mom. I thought the wooden spoon was bad

Kids need discipline. And love.

I put the fear of god in the kids all the time. The kids have been present when I talk to the teachers about their progressive nonsense. Shit...a few weeks ago I had to chat with the teacher because lil' Yella blurted out in class "My daddy doesn't like Black Lives Matter".

Good chit, Yella.

I got banned from attending one of my kid's sports leagues because he told the coach I'd spank his ass after the coach told me what happened at the dive grass camp with another kid.

"We wont tolerate beating our children, nor tolerate the aggressor"

Bullshit, he deserved it. And he handled center mid just fine the rest of the year.

I'm scared to meet @MisterEm in real life.

 

[TurdBomber]

the school systems are the ones that have effed up our? normal family home.
They implemented feeding the poor kids, and the rich kids decided they could afford to pay for lunches, then the ones that brought their lunch were embarrassed about not eating what all the other kids were eating.

One of my daughters had 15 - 20 lunches hidden in a drawer and was scrounging/borrowing money to buy lunch so she wasn't embarrassed. Had to make a deal with her as she was older than the other sibs and I didn't want her screwing them up. She did work off the debt.

Then shortly after that the younger sibs were bringing home school questionnaires about home life. Did anyone smoke, drink, argue, etc.
I refused to let them fill them out.

Check out John Dewey and his philosophy on education and teaching [/b]
Here is one of many articleshttps://www.iwp.edu/articles/2018/02/01/the-tragedy-of-american-education-the-role-of-john-dewey/

Dewey: What an asshole. And Rousseu. And Foucault.

Gee, why can't the French win anything, ever?

 

[Doogles]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

I was raised in a dysfunctional and violent household. In my mid-twenties I rented the downstairs from a Punjabi family. They took a liking to Stalin and kind of "adopted" me into their family events upstairs. Relatives in-and-out of the house all the time, a real family network. The "mom" lovingly cooking tandoori chicken for me. Etc. They kept giving me chai until I told them I couldn't stand it. Then suddenly their fridge was miraculously filled with Coke/Diet Coke.

Enough about the tandoori and chai, more about the quilcene oyster

 

[DerekJohnson]

The family isn't dead. Its the number one way that Asian immigrants out perform even citizens in gaining wealth

We? are selfish - I'm guilty of that. That's why I didn't want kids. When I got some pre grown ones I golfed all weekend. I sucked but my son thinks I was great simply because I set a good example about hard work and consistent effort. He is a success.

Long live the family. Fuck the state

There is no ideal family nor are there family values. That is political sloganeering. Do the best you can. Don't have kids if you can't put them first.

Adopt a shelter dog instead

I was raised in a dysfunctional and violent household. In my mid-twenties I rented the downstairs from a Punjabi family. They took a liking to Stalin and kind of "adopted" me into their family events upstairs. Relatives in-and-out of the house all the time, a real family network. The "mom" lovingly cooking tandoori chicken for me. Etc. They kept giving me chai until I told them I couldn't stand it. Then suddenly their fridge was miraculously filled with Coke/Diet Coke.

Enough about the tandoori and chai, more about the quilcene oyster

I secretly dated one daughter and then a few years later dated her half sister. I could write a book about all that.

 

[Doog_de_Jour]

Excellent article...but also chilled me to the bone with fear for what’s left of our social fabric.

One thing that’s mostly getting skipped over in all of this (though briefly touched on in the couch surfing example) is this extends way beyond just the family...the second half of the article talks about how selfish and addicted to our individual freedoms we’ve become. There’s no sense of community or “the village”.

So even if you have a supportive family (be it nuclear or extended) and loving marriage, we all still need friendships and secondary support structures (the families we “chose”).

I maintain it isn’t so much about what type of family you have, you just have to treat it like an emotional investment portfolio...keep putting as much as you can into it and *diversify*. You never know when one part of your network will break down.

So many people I know live alone, or limit their social interactions to just their significant others. Or they pour all their time into just their kids or jobs. And they’re lonely, miserable fucks for it.

I don’t know...maybe I’m glamorizing older generations, but it seemed like my parents and grandparents were more well rounded socially. They made time for family, friends, work, and social groups (Rotary, etc.). Yeah, you couldn’t do whatever you wanted whenever you wanted, but people seemed more fulfilled.

Thank you for listening to my rambling.

 

[MikeDamone]

Excellent article...but also chilled me to the bone with fear for what’s left of our social fabric.

One thing that’s mostly getting skipped over in all of this (though briefly touched on in the couch surfing example) is this extends way beyond just the family...the second half of the article talks about how selfish and addicted to our individual freedoms we’ve become. There’s no sense of community or “the village”.

So even if you have a supportive family (be it nuclear or extended) and loving marriage, we all still need friendships and secondary support structures (the families we “chose”).

I maintain it isn’t so much about what type of family you have, you just have to treat it like an emotional investment portfolio...keep putting as much as you can into it and *diversify*. You never know when one part of your network will break down.

So many people I know live alone, or limit their social interactions to just their significant others. Or they pour all their time into just their kids or jobs. And they’re lonely, miserable fucks for it.

I don’t know...maybe I’m glamorizing older generations, but it seemed like my parents and grandparents were more well rounded socially. They made time for family, friends, work, and social groups (Rotary, etc.). Yeah, you couldn’t do whatever you wanted whenever you wanted, but people seemed more fulfilled.

Thank you for listening to my rambling.

You lost me at "addicted to individual freedoms". Can you expand on that?

 

[Sledog]

All this white privilege is making me nauseous!

Imagine hard work and common sense along with normal family structure and you're right back in America! Our nation would be saved.

 

[YellowSnow]

Excellent article...but also chilled me to the bone with fear for what’s left of our social fabric.

One thing that’s mostly getting skipped over in all of this (though briefly touched on in the couch surfing example) is this extends way beyond just the family...the second half of the article talks about how selfish and addicted to our individual freedoms we’ve become. There’s no sense of community or “the village”.

So even if you have a supportive family (be it nuclear or extended) and loving marriage, we all still need friendships and secondary support structures (the families we “chose”).

I maintain it isn’t so much about what type of family you have, you just have to treat it like an emotional investment portfolio...keep putting as much as you can into it and *diversify*. You never know when one part of your network will break down.

So many people I know live alone, or limit their social interactions to just their significant others. Or they pour all their time into just their kids or jobs. And they’re lonely, miserable fucks for it.

I don’t know...maybe I’m glamorizing older generations, but it seemed like my parents and grandparents were more well rounded socially. They made time for family, friends, work, and social groups (Rotary, etc.). Yeah, you couldn’t do whatever you wanted whenever you wanted, but people seemed more fulfilled.

Thank you for listening to my rambling.

I’ve made it a point @Doog_de_Jour to turn HH e-frens into real life frens. Been successful thus far.

 

[BearsWiin]

Tug family values thread is a fucking hoot

 

[YellowSnow]

Tug family values thread is a fucking hoot

You live the same family values as me. What’s your point?