How Much Talent did Sark waste in 2013?

[Doogles]

@RoadDawg55 you say holiday bowl one more time...

Como se dice Alamo?

 

[AZDuck]

Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.

Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I don't think it's fair to expect a QB to put a team on his back the way Tui did. KP was a great college QB.

 

[Fenwick]

Sarkisian has no idea how to make a cohesive team. He coaches teams comprised of individuals doing their thing. He has no idea how to weave the fabric into a solid and strong unit. What will be the next fool team to hire him?

 

[TTJ]

...And it better fucking mention how Sark won 8 (not 9) with that team.

7 if you dont count Idaho St...

5 if you don't count the 2 that Ross won singlehandedly.

 

[Doogles]

Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

 

[topdawgnc]

Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

I don't think he will "steam roll" the south, but he will be a contender with 9-10 wins a year.

He has too much talent not to.

But he doesn't have enough coaching talent or disclipne to beat the good coaches with similar talent, or the excellent coaches.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

I don't think he will "steam roll" the south, but he will be a contender with 9-10 wins a year.

He has too much talent not to.

But he doesn't have enough coaching talent or disclipne to beat the good coaches with similar talent, or the excellent coaches.

What excellent coaches?

 

[Doogles]

Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

I don't think he will "steam roll" the south, but he will be a contender with 9-10 wins a year.

He has too much talent not to.

But he doesn't have enough coaching talent or disclipne to beat the good coaches with similar talent, or the excellent coaches.

I don't disagree, he needs things to go perfectly because he doesn't have the skill to keep the team together in hard times.

But to discount the talented individuals he has is doogish. LIPO.

Edit: Fenwick nailed it with his comment about individuals vs a cohesive team. Sark appeals to the dreamer athletes. Most of them have talent and professional aspirations, but when things don't go as scripted there is no foundation to help them persevere.

 

[RoadDawg55]

Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.

Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I don't think it's fair to expect a QB to put a team on his back the way Tui did. KP was a great college QB.

A guy that is an honorable mention All Conference QB isn't a great college QB. Good and/or mediocre are acceptable answers.

 

[JaWarrenJaHooker]

Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

I don't think he will "steam roll" the south, but he will be a contender with 9-10 wins a year.

He has too much talent not to.

But he doesn't have enough coaching talent or disclipne to beat the good coaches with similar talent, or the excellent coaches.

What excellent coaches?

Paging @SonnyDykes

 

[whlinder]

Pickett had more talent that Tui and the same coach; what happened with him?

QBs impact the culture like no other position.

You know who else had "talent"?

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I know you're being sarkastic but we're talking about QB, not safety.

 

[HFNY]

So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.

Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

Agreed.

He's competent enough to be a power five coach, but he's never going to be an elite or really good coach. He's one of those people who can talk his way through life for a while, even for a few years. Eventually most figure out he's a soft fraud though.

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

Good thread. That team was loaded with playmakers. It did have some weak spots too. And Price, despite the hype was an average QB in the PAC 12.

Timu making the Bears would be interesting because everyone always said he sucked.

Timu making da' Bears roster is more an indication of how bad da' Bears defense is.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.

Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

 

[HeretoBeatmyChest]

Josh Shirley had a sack yesterday for the Raiders. No idea what his status is but thats another guy from the 2013 squad.

 

[HFNY]

All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

Same for Drew Brees.

So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.

Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

 

[RoadDawg55]

All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

Same for Drew Brees.

So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.

Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

I disagree with Boobie about QB intangibles, but Montana and Russell Wilson produce and win. Same with Drew Bree's for the most part. Leaf, George, Russell, Locker, etc have talent, but they all suck.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

Same for Drew Brees.

So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.

Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

They also were missing actual quarterback skills like accuracy and decision making.

Hope this helps.

 

[HFNY]

Yep and I agree with you that intangibles are no substitute for talent.

At the same time, someone like Jeff George was clearly very talented but never won in part because he didn't many intangibles (wasn't a leader, was a jerk, openly fought with coaches, etc etc etc). He was still talented enough to play in the NFL for 14 years, throwing for 27,602 yards and 154 career TDs.

Ryan Leaf kinda reminded me of George, except he had serious behavioral issues that ultimately manifested via his pill addiction and criminal behavior.

All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

Same for Drew Brees.

So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.

Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

I disagree with Boobie about QB intangibles, but Montana and Russell Wilson produce and win. Same with Drew Bree's for the most part. Leaf, George, Russell, Locker, etc have talent, but they all suck.