Here to get this off my chest

A WSU Professor and 25 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago. Somewhat forward thinking.

We hereby submit that WSU:

Put all employees associated with the intercollegiate football program on indefinite furlough.
Start the process of removing WSU intercollegiate football from the WSU athletic program.
Continue to pay scholarships to the football players promised such until they graduate, but not initiate any new football scholarships.
Request the WSU Faculty Senate develop position statements related to the incompatibilities of football with any institution of higher education.
It is anticipated that the financial savings to WSU will be substantial and thereby enhance our academic programs.
It is anticipated that WSU will be recognized as a national leader in higher education by eliminating harm done to our students for the sake of entertainment.

James M. Krueger, PhD, MDHC, Regents Professor
 
Thank you UW. Seriously. Being stuck in the pac would have been the end of both programs. It’s why sc left and wanted to block
Oregon and UW badly —they were trying to kill off any other competitive programs out west.

I’m gonna get drunk tonight because this was really stressing me out. I didn’t have faith in mullens or Cohen. But they got it done. I love all of you.
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The Midwest hates all that you stand for and only brought you on for late night content. You will enjoy the worst schedules and will eventually be Illini status.

You and Oregon will be the first tangible victims of the culture war.

Your fantasy of “they wouldn’t have invited us unless they wanted us” will be shattered by 2026. You’re both fillers for the real realignment.

When you go to most schools, most students will wonder why Washington is in the league now. And the History major will say well, they won a Rose Bowl against Purdue 25 years ago.

And belly laughs will ensue.
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Let me get this straight. The fans of other schools might talk shit if we? don't show up and dominate? Look out! Lolz.

This involves money and positioning in the sport that pays for all the other shit about which the limp wristed crowd cares so much. It's a home run for UW and UO, given how the table was already set. It elevates recruiting, national visibility, facilities development, alumni giving ... you name it. The alternative is already playing out: become Mountain West +. There is no spinning out of that. Pac 12 helped elevate Cuog, Beav, Arizonas and Cal. They brought little to the table, though admittedly Cal brought history, old though it was. So entirely predictable that Cuog, Beav etc. would feel jilted. We? understand. Don't go away mad. Just go away. Or something.
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They brought little to the table other than consistent victories in the TV PAC 12 era. STFU greaseball. Stick to your abhorrent lawyer talk that no one GAF about.

You will probably be pegged, and hard in the East division with frequent trips to Maryland and Rutgers. The new Fish like you will be butt raped schedule wise and the whole West Coast is here for it.
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Greaseball? Lawyer talk?

Take it back Cuog.
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I take it back.

Sorry. It’s been a rough weak.

When you lose your Athletic program? It hurts. A lot. I’m not sure there’s a beach long enough for it. But that’s show biz.

I apologize to rowboat as well. I’m not trying to save face here. Just trying to right my true wrongs in meltdown ‘23.
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You seemed like a man in great pain which is understandable given the fucktardery of all this. As such, I let it go.

It's possible that I have more empathy for the Kewg than some here. For the record, I don't think Washington should feel any remorse about doing what was necessary to survive as a program. We? didn't create this mess after all. And I don't have a problem with football programs being compensated based on the overall value of their brand.

But if we're going to demote the little sisters of the pour, then I'd like to see it done fairly across the sport, rather than by geographic dumb luck. It makes zero god damned sense for the Kewg to go from making Pac-12 money to MWC $4 million a year, while Indiana, Rutgers, Vandy, Mississippi State, and Purdue[/b] et al, keeping raking in the Power Conference money.

Let's quite fucking around here. You're either a Power Team or you're not.
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A WSU Professor and 25 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago. Somewhat forward thinking.

We hereby submit that WSU:

Put all employees associated with the intercollegiate football program on indefinite furlough.
Start the process of removing WSU intercollegiate football from the WSU athletic program.
Continue to pay scholarships to the football players promised such until they graduate, but not initiate any new football scholarships.
Request the WSU Faculty Senate develop position statements related to the incompatibilities of football with any institution of higher education.
It is anticipated that the financial savings to WSU will be substantial and thereby enhance our academic programs.
It is anticipated that WSU will be recognized as a national leader in higher education by eliminating harm done to our students for the sake of entertainment.

James M. Krueger, PhD, MDHC, Regents Professor
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The University of Chicago model
 
A WSU Professor and 25 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago. Somewhat forward thinking.

We hereby submit that WSU:

Put all employees associated with the intercollegiate football program on indefinite furlough.
Start the process of removing WSU intercollegiate football from the WSU athletic program.
Continue to pay scholarships to the football players promised such until they graduate, but not initiate any new football scholarships.
Request the WSU Faculty Senate develop position statements related to the incompatibilities of football with any institution of higher education.
It is anticipated that the financial savings to WSU will be substantial and thereby enhance our academic programs.
It is anticipated that WSU will be recognized as a national leader in higher education by eliminating harm done to our students for the sake of entertainment.

James M. Krueger, PhD, MDHC, Regents Professor
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Are we shutting down Women's Kewg Row Boat too?
 
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All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.

They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.

Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them.
 
A WSU Professor and 25 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago. Somewhat forward thinking.

We hereby submit that WSU:

Put all employees associated with the intercollegiate football program on indefinite furlough.
Start the process of removing WSU intercollegiate football from the WSU athletic program.
Continue to pay scholarships to the football players promised such until they graduate, but not initiate any new football scholarships.
Request the WSU Faculty Senate develop position statements related to the incompatibilities of football with any institution of higher education.
It is anticipated that the financial savings to WSU will be substantial and thereby enhance our academic programs.
It is anticipated that WSU will be recognized as a national leader in higher education by eliminating harm done to our students for the sake of entertainment.

James M. Krueger, PhD, MDHC, Regents Professor
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Sounds like a racist.
 
All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.

They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.

Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova[/b] and really who gives a shit about them.
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Those are not prominent state universities
 
All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.

They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.

Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them.
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I find myself in the awkward position of having to agree with haie. Had this occurred at UW my opening line would have been:

A UW Professor and 2,500 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago.
 
All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.

They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.

Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them.
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Unless you’re an Ivy League school, athletics (be it intramural or semi-pro) is usually a good thing for the university, and I really don’t understand why there are still people that don’t understand it’s a symbiotic relationship.

I will however stick up for some of these professors and acknowledge that it’s not realistic for all schools to have big football programs (just like every college doesn’t need an anthropology department). The athletic arms race has gotten out of hand, and many are going bankrupt trying to keep up.

Cal and Stanford should get rid of football and basketball and stick to Olympic sports. They don’t need the FREE PUB! that football and basketball bring.

For the Coug and Beavs, it’s a little more tricky. They’re not national brands outside of CFB junkies. They’re certainly not some no name liberal arts school or community college either. Honestly the MWC is actually a perfect fit for them, as they won’t feel the pressure to spend as much money on sports, while still enjoying the benefits of having a program.

Things always change too…WSU and OSU continue to grow. They can join up with someone else when there’s another realignment.
 
All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.

They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.

Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them.
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Unless you’re an Ivy League school, athletics (be it intramural or semi-pro) is usually a good thing for the university, and I really don’t understand why there are still people that don’t understand it’s a symbiotic relationship.

I will however stick up for some of these professors and acknowledge that it’s not realistic for all schools to have big football programs (just like every college doesn’t need an anthropology department). The athletic arms race has gotten out of hand, and many are going bankrupt trying to keep up.

Cal and Stanford should get rid of football and basketball and stick to Olympic sports. They don’t need the FREE PUB! that football and basketball bring.

For the Coug and Beavs, it’s a little more tricky. They’re not national brands outside of CFB junkies. They’re certainly not some no name liberal arts school or community college either. Honestly the MWC is actually a perfect fit for them, as they won’t feel the pressure to spend as much money on sports, while still enjoying the benefits of having a program.

Things always change too…WSU and OSU continue to grow. They can join up with someone else when there’s another realignment.
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It's a good conversation to have.

We need to speed up the process of sorting out the Universities that can support an entire AD based off the market value of their football brand and those that can't.

The era of tit sucking of the have nots from the haves needs to come to an end once and for all.

The bell tolls for thee @SECDAWG
 
Agree that the arms race is dumb. NIL (real kind, not what Oregon and aTm does) and throwing some more money into better housing + small stipend is all that was ever needed. Let kids do engineering/pre-med and properly support it.

WSU and OSU kind of barely clear the bar for me as football programs that already deserve to be in power 5. They are power 5 schools, which separates them from Fresno and Boise.

It is dumb that schools that inherently feel small time like Texas Tech and Indiana get a pass.
 
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People forget that football was invented for college boys

There was a post CW concern that all the folks moving to the city were raising soft fucking losers since there was no war or hay to get in the barn. It started in the motherland of academis superiority - The Ivy League. In SEC SEC country it also became a part of the whitewashing (lol) of the recent unpleasantness between the states.

Southern schools were excluded from early big time football. Vanderbilt of all teams was the first to venture north

It was a violent game filled with death and injury. Teddy R told them to clean some things up

By the 20s it was in the pantheon of American sport in the new advertising age. That's when the big stadiums were built and UW invented football at Alabama in the Rose Bowl

In the depression the football squad revenue kept the doors open at many a university, College football was king when the NFL was playing on sandlots

It was deeply ingrained in the American Experience. Things change though. Now the NFL is king and when us old fucks die college football may die with us

The History of SEC Football is a great resource for all of college football. 8 parts on the ESPN family of networks

And the history of the west coast football and the Big 10 is a big part of the lore. And our DAWGS are part of it

cool story gramps
 
People forget that football was invented for college boys

There was a post CW concern that all the folks moving to the city were raising soft fucking losers since there was no war or hay to get in the barn. It started in the motherland of academis superiority - The Ivy League. In SEC SEC country it also became a part of the whitewashing (lol) of the recent unpleasantness between the states.

Southern schools were excluded from early big time football. Vanderbilt of all teams was the first to venture north

It was a violent game filled with death and injury. Teddy R told them to clean some things up

By the 20s it was in the pantheon of American sport in the new advertising age. That's when the big stadiums were built and UW invented football at Alabama in the Rose Bowl

In the depression the football squad revenue kept the doors open at many a university, College football was king when the NFL was playing on sandlots

It was deeply ingrained in the American Experience. Things change though. Now the NFL is king and when us old fucks die college football may die with us

The History of SEC Football is a great resource for all of college football. 8 parts on the ESPN family of networks

And the history of the west coast football and the Big 10 is a big part of the lore. And our DAWGS are part of it

cool story gramps
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I can’t decide between the “quit living in the past” or the “you would know, you were there” quip…so ABUNDANCE!

You’re right Race. I do feel like we’re seeing the twilight of college football, at least as we know it, and we’ve covered the root causes here ad nauseam.

But there will be more realignments before that happens, so it will at least be an entertaining final act.
 
Things change, but college football fills a space that is going to be hard to take over. There's more culture and blood in it than the pros.

Baseball is officially regional at best. Soccer hasn't done anything. Basketball has hurt itself and is too individualistic. Cant really smoke weed and talk shit. Hockey has the stigma of being someone else's game.

NFL has hurt itself and has always been a turnoff for a lot of football fans. The field is too small for the athletes, and for all the shit cfb has received this summer, the NFL is needlessly moving teams around. Teams that have won Superbowls in their previous locations.

You get a top 5 quarterback and you're set for years, or you're a boring franchise going through 10+ specimens that throw an out route into the stands.
 
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