Herbert fucking sucks

[Kaepsknee]

Herbert is Quook crack.

Quook Jack Lockner

Probably. I don’t understand the love affair.

We all know he can throw the ball far and we all know he’s big. Who fucking cares?

He was absolutely awful tonight. Probably his worst game at Oregon and halfway through his third season, against a terrible team.

Dude has no touch. And his mechanics suck from time to time. He has the gun, the size and the wheels. A real QB coach could get him right.

Or He is what He is and doesn’t have the almost 6th sense that good QBs need to have to get it done.

 

[AZDuck]

Herbs has the physical tools, he needs to learn how to put touch on the ball and see the field. He's still really raw, which makes sense considering that he's mostly been coached by Willie Lyles-Taggart (HC starting in December of his true freshman year through December of his true soph year) and 3/4 of a year by Marcus Arroyo, who, well, is unproven at best as a QB coach.

 

[creepycoug]

Better than Browning

OK

Low bar imo

He's actually not better than Browning. That's ridiculous.

He's far more physically capable and has a chance to play in the NFL.

But as a college QB, Browning has delivered more. Yes, he's a front runner, yes, he's a douche, but he's more reliable.

There is one thing Herbert does better than Browning other than make throws Browning physically can't make: he doesn't shit himself in the backfield. Though doesn't have great pocket feel yet, he's it's infinitely better than Browning and knows when to take a sack and let it be a 6 or 7 yard loss rather than a 25 yard loss or make stupid throw off his back foot (hello Malik) and beg for a pick. That is one area of their play where Herbert is clearly better. Jake just makes stupid decisions under pressure, where Herbert tends to show more poise and just lets a shitty down be a shitty down w/o turning it into a disaster ... at least as often as Browning tends to.

But in terms of settling into a system and doing mostly what you're supposed to do, Browning is the better QB. Herbert, as Mosster said, has not had an ideal upbringing at Oregon given the turmoil. The kid is a beast though. Physically everything Browning wishes he were.

 

[DawgWagonDan]

Bobby Herbert is a GOOD college quarterback. And a heart warming sinderella story from the big easy... everyone respects THE CAJUN CANON!

 

[RaceBannon]

Better than Browning

OK

Low bar imo

He's actually not better than Browning. That's ridiculous.

He's far more physically capable and has a chance to play in the NFL.

But as a college QB, Browning has delivered more. Yes, he's a front runner, yes, he's a douche, but he's more reliable.

There is one thing Herbert does better than Browning other than make throws Browning physically can't make: he doesn't shit himself in the backfield. Though doesn't have great pocket feel yet, he's it's infinitely better than Browning and knows when to take a sack and let it be a 6 or 7 yard loss rather than a 25 yard loss or make stupid throw off his back foot (hello Malik) and beg for a pick. That is one area of their play where Herbert is clearly better. Jake just makes stupid decisions under pressure, where Herbert tends to show more poise and just lets a shitty down be a shitty down w/o turning it into a disaster ... at least as often as Browning tends to.

But in terms of settling into a system and doing mostly what you're supposed to do, Browning is the better QB. Herbert, as Mosster said, has not had an ideal upbringing at Oregon given the turmoil. The kid is a beast though. Physically everything Browning wishes he were.

Herbert looks great against shit teams too or he did until Arizona

Both build their legend on a foundation of sand

 

[CuntWaffle]

2019 Herbert Lockner season will be special

 

[ramenduck]

Completely overrated, but doesn’t suck. He has one receiver that can catch and get open. Great QBs can get it done with anybody, so Herbert isn’t great, but he could be good with help around him which makes him average.

He’s terrible dude. He’s terrible.

Lockie and prukup were terrible. Herbert ain’t that bad. He’s browning without the boneheaded plays.

Plus elite size, arm, and much better scrambling ability.

He throws as beautful of a ball as I've ever seen. Even moreso when it's actually to [/i]someone.

 

[WilburHooksHands]

Herbs has the physical tools, he needs to learn how to put touch on the ball and see the field. He's still really raw, which makes sense considering that he's mostly been coached by Willie Lyles-Taggart (HC starting in December of his true freshman year through December of his true soph year) and 3/4 of a year by Marcus Arroyo, who, well, is unproven at best as a QB coach.

But how are quooks living the 2010 doog narrative to a T?

 

[MikeSeaver]

Herbs has the physical tools, he needs to learn how to put touch on the ball and see the field. He's still really raw, which makes sense considering that he's mostly been coached by Willie Lyles-Taggart (HC starting in December of his true freshman year through December of his true soph year) and 3/4 of a year by Marcus Arroyo, who, well, is unproven at best as a QB coach.

But how are quooks living the 2010 doog narrative to a T?

Hope you’re enjoying being the early 2000’s, Ducks.

Seems like you all are.

 

[AZDuck]

Herbs >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lockner

 

[Fenwick]

Don't believe Crystalball's system fits Herbert.

 

[creepycoug]

Don't believe Crystalball's system fits Herbert.

By "system" do you mean running the ball effectively and setting up play action pass?

If he had someone other than Mitchell to target I think it would look more like a fit.

 

[ntxduck]

Don't believe Crystalball's system fits Herbert.

By "system" do you mean running the ball effectively and setting up play action pass?

If he had someone other than Mitchell to target I think it would look more like a fit.

This. Mitchell sat out the first couple of series tonight and there wasn’t a receiver on the field who could get more than 6 inches of separation. Mitchell is legitimately the only power 5 talent at WR on the roster. Next year redd, jj, and schooler won’t even see the field

 

[KrunkJuice]

Quooks - What are the chances Mitchell enters the draft?

 

[Mosster47]

Quooks - What are the chances Mitchell enters the draft?

Zero. He has no top end speed.

 

[IPukeOregonGrellow]

Don't believe Crystalball's system fits Herbert.

By "system" do you mean running the ball effectively and setting up play action pass?

If he had someone other than Mitchell to target I think it would look more like a fit.

This. Mitchell sat out the first couple of series tonight and there wasn’t a receiver on the field who could get more than 6 inches of separation. Mitchell is legitimately the only power 5 talent at WR on the roster. Next year redd, jj, and schooler won’t even see the field

If we? get someone like Kyle Ford, maybe. But recruiting is generally a much longer play. The problem with Redd and Johnson isn’t that they suck, it’s that they should be behind Theo Howard (if Helfrich understood modern recruiting doesn’t stop), Kirk Merritt and Tristen Wallace (if that last Helfrich year doesn’t go off the rails). Johnson needed a redshirt that he didn’t get because the depth chart went to hell. The bright side is he’ll be a little better next year and buy some time for Wilhoite and JR Waters if they need it.

 

[ntxduck]

Don't believe Crystalball's system fits Herbert.

By "system" do you mean running the ball effectively and setting up play action pass?

If he had someone other than Mitchell to target I think it would look more like a fit.

This. Mitchell sat out the first couple of series tonight and there wasn’t a receiver on the field who could get more than 6 inches of separation. Mitchell is legitimately the only power 5 talent at WR on the roster. Next year redd, jj, and schooler won’t even see the field

If we? get someone like Kyle Ford, maybe. But recruiting is generally a much longer play. The problem with Redd and Johnson isn’t that they suck, it’s that they should be behind Theo Howard (if Helfrich understood modern recruiting doesn’t stop), Kirk Merritt and Tristen Wallace (if that last Helfrich year doesn’t go off the rails). Johnson needed a redshirt that he didn’t get because the depth chart went to hell. The bright side is he’ll be a little better next year and buy some time for Wilhoite and JR Waters if they need it.

Kirk Merritt got kicked out for pulling a dick out to a female tutor (and AGAIN at ATM), so don't think he'd be here under any scenario. But agree with the rest of it. I'm anticipating the freshman we have who are redshirting this year +Pittman and some of the other guys coming in will bump Redd/Schooler down.

 

[creepycoug]

Don't believe Crystalball's system fits Herbert.

By "system" do you mean running the ball effectively and setting up play action pass?

If he had someone other than Mitchell to target I think it would look more like a fit.

This. Mitchell sat out the first couple of series tonight and there wasn’t a receiver on the field who could get more than 6 inches of separation. Mitchell is legitimately the only power 5 talent at WR on the roster. Next year redd, jj, and schooler won’t even see the field

If we? get someone like Kyle Ford, maybe. But recruiting is generally a much longer play. The problem with Redd and Johnson isn’t that they suck, it’s that they should be behind Theo Howard (if Helfrich understood modern recruiting doesn’t stop), Kirk Merritt and Tristen Wallace (if that last Helfrich year doesn’t go off the rails). Johnson needed a redshirt that he didn’t get because the depth chart went to hell. The bright side is he’ll be a little better next year and buy some time for Wilhoite and JR Waters if they need it.

Kirk Merritt got kicked out for pulling a dick out to a female tutor (and AGAIN at ATM), so don't think he'd be here under any scenario. But agree with the rest of it. I'm anticipating the freshman we have who are redshirting this year +Pittman and some of the other guys coming in will bump Redd/Schooler down.

You need Schooler to be bumped down. He's a poor man's Jeff Maehl.

 

[IPukeOregonGrellow]

Don't believe Crystalball's system fits Herbert.

By "system" do you mean running the ball effectively and setting up play action pass?

If he had someone other than Mitchell to target I think it would look more like a fit.

This. Mitchell sat out the first couple of series tonight and there wasn’t a receiver on the field who could get more than 6 inches of separation. Mitchell is legitimately the only power 5 talent at WR on the roster. Next year redd, jj, and schooler won’t even see the field

If we? get someone like Kyle Ford, maybe. But recruiting is generally a much longer play. The problem with Redd and Johnson isn’t that they suck, it’s that they should be behind Theo Howard (if Helfrich understood modern recruiting doesn’t stop), Kirk Merritt and Tristen Wallace (if that last Helfrich year doesn’t go off the rails). Johnson needed a redshirt that he didn’t get because the depth chart went to hell. The bright side is he’ll be a little better next year and buy some time for Wilhoite and JR Waters if they need it.

Kirk Merritt got kicked out for pulling a dick out to a female tutor (and AGAIN at ATM), so don't think he'd be here under any scenario. But agree with the rest of it. I'm anticipating the freshman we have who are redshirting this year +Pittman and some of the other guys coming in will bump Redd/Schooler down.

If Addison survives suspension protocol, there's an 81% chance. But if Crocker is going to pass up Johnson and Schooler, he probably needs to see the field at some point this year. And I think Pittman sees the field next year, but he's behind Redd (who's the least JAG-y of the group) on the depth chart.

 

[MikeSeaver]

Don't believe Crystalball's system fits Herbert.

By "system" do you mean running the ball effectively and setting up play action pass?

If he had someone other than Mitchell to target I think it would look more like a fit.

This. Mitchell sat out the first couple of series tonight and there wasn’t a receiver on the field who could get more than 6 inches of separation. Mitchell is legitimately the only power 5 talent at WR on the roster. Next year redd, jj, and schooler won’t even see the field

If we? get someone like Kyle Ford, maybe. But recruiting is generally a much longer play. The problem with Redd and Johnson isn’t that they suck, it’s that they should be behind Theo Howard (if Helfrich understood modern recruiting doesn’t stop), Kirk Merritt and Tristen Wallace (if that last Helfrich year doesn’t go off the rails). Johnson needed a redshirt that he didn’t get because the depth chart went to hell. The bright side is he’ll be a little better next year and buy some time for Wilhoite and JR Waters if they need it.

Kirk Merritt got kicked out for pulling a dick out to a female tutor (and AGAIN at ATM), so don't think he'd be here under any scenario. But agree with the rest of it. I'm anticipating the freshman we have who are redshirting this year +Pittman and some of the other guys coming in will bump Redd/Schooler down.

You need Schooler to be bumped down. He's a poor man's Jeff Maehl.

Huh?

Jeff Maehl was a borderline NFL player.