Hardcore Husky Podcast: When your head coach is the team's weakest link

[Quietcowskee]

Are we sure Jimmie Dougherty is even worth a shit? Maybe he was hired to be a yes man

He and Paopao will forever have the sark stink on them IMO.

 

[Bob_C]

Jimmy Dougherty does fucking blow. Anyone that cat advice past qb coach in 15 years isn’t worth a shot.

 

[dtd]

I don't know how anyone can be excited moving forward without big changes to how the offense operates.
I thought Hugh Millen covered this nicely (and succinctly, which is odd for him) on with Softy yesterday (caught it by chance).
Fisch is enamored with the pass game and WANTS to win "that way".

We have a head coach more enamored with doing what he wants than with what works and/or best suits our personnel and the situations.

That's incredibly alarming to me and I don't know how you fix that. He's not some 36 year old upstart. I struggle to think that philosophy will change.

Even if Jedd doesn't change and gets personnel to do the pass heavy winning he wants, I still want a coach that can adjust to what the situation and opponent dictate will work the best.
Last Saturday, a good coach would have seen the run game working with #24 and leaned in heavy to all flavors of that, and passes off of that, and only gone with more downfield passing that complemented that plan (play action, etc) and mixed it up once they were loading up to stop the run more consistently.
We're in the Big Ten now. We honestly should be more run-centric than we are. Great defense and running games travel very well.
I'm just not convinced we have a great head coach.

It's the Mario Cristobal special. He'd rather lose his way than win.

 

[DerekJohnson]

This is a thoroughly depressing thread

 

[EwaDawg]

This is a thoroughly depressing thread

Just look what your pod has become, Pod.

I know. I know.

 

[WoolleyDoog]

This is a thoroughly depressing thread

It's been a Hard Doog's Night. Part of the UW experience is fighting through the tough times. Makes you a better person.

 

[DerekJohnson]

Wondering if @YellowSnow has this on vinyl

 

[haie]

If Washington wins the LA/Holiday bowl to get to Sark's 5th year 2013 level, and then has a top 13 recruiting class, it's over for doogs. He'll get an extension during the off-season or after he runs through some easy part of his schedule next year to get to 4-0.
That doesn't even include the doogs claiming victory that they didn't lose fish to UCLA/.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

If Washington wins the LA/Holiday bowl to get to Sark's 5th year 2013 level, and then has a top 13 recruiting class, it's over for doogs. He'll get an extension during the off-season or after he runs through some easy part of his schedule next year to get to 4-0.
That doesn't even include the doogs claiming victory that they didn't lose fish to UCLA/.

Over for doogs, or over for noogs?
Doogs can live with 9 wins in perpetuity.
Noogs now have anuerisms at anything less than 11-2.
Loogs (logical and LIPO oogs) need to see a playoff next year. If he does that, pay him 15 million or whatever the fuck the ridiculous salary is for a winning coach these days. If he doesn't, fire him, eat the buyout, and hire PGOS.

 

[haie]

If Washington wins the LA/Holiday bowl to get to Sark's 5th year 2013 level, and then has a top 13 recruiting class, it's over for doogs. He'll get an extension during the off-season or after he runs through some easy part of his schedule next year to get to 4-0.
That doesn't even include the doogs claiming victory that they didn't lose fish to UCLA/.

Over for doogs, or over for noogs?
Doogs can live with 9 wins in perpetuity.
Noogs now have anuerisms at anything less than 11-2.
Loogs (logical and LIPO oogs) need to see a playoff next year. If he does that, pay him 15 million or whatever the fuck the ridiculous salary is for a winning coach these days. If he doesn't, fire him, eat the buyout, and hire PGOS.

If he wins LA/Holdiay/Vegas and secures this class now that Duncan is in, then the general fanbase will be in and buy him at least 2-3 more seasons.
I am not saying I agree with it but it's pretty clear that's what will happen, that would have happened if Sark coached the fight hunger bowl and stayed.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

If Washington wins the LA/Holiday bowl to get to Sark's 5th year 2013 level, and then has a top 13 recruiting class, it's over for doogs. He'll get an extension during the off-season or after he runs through some easy part of his schedule next year to get to 4-0.
That doesn't even include the doogs claiming victory that they didn't lose fish to UCLA/.

Over for doogs, or over for noogs?
Doogs can live with 9 wins in perpetuity.
Noogs now have anuerisms at anything less than 11-2.
Loogs (logical and LIPO oogs) need to see a playoff next year. If he does that, pay him 15 million or whatever the fuck the ridiculous salary is for a winning coach these days. If he doesn't, fire him, eat the buyout, and hire PGOS.

If he wins LA/Holdiay/Vegas and secures this class now that Duncan is in, then the general fanbase will be in and buy him at least 2-3 more seasons.
I am not saying I agree with it but it's pretty clear that's what will happen, that would have happened if Sark coached the fight hunger bowl and stayed.

Maybe. After Petersen and DeBeor, even doogs thirst for competitive football. Averaging 9 wins teeters that line of competing for playoffs or not.
A few 7-5, 6-6 type season in years 4 or 5 quickly kills enthusiasm without big time results prior.

 

[haie]

If Washington wins the LA/Holiday bowl to get to Sark's 5th year 2013 level, and then has a top 13 recruiting class, it's over for doogs. He'll get an extension during the off-season or after he runs through some easy part of his schedule next year to get to 4-0.
That doesn't even include the doogs claiming victory that they didn't lose fish to UCLA/.

Over for doogs, or over for noogs?
Doogs can live with 9 wins in perpetuity.
Noogs now have anuerisms at anything less than 11-2.
Loogs (logical and LIPO oogs) need to see a playoff next year. If he does that, pay him 15 million or whatever the fuck the ridiculous salary is for a winning coach these days. If he doesn't, fire him, eat the buyout, and hire PGOS.

If he wins LA/Holdiay/Vegas and secures this class now that Duncan is in, then the general fanbase will be in and buy him at least 2-3 more seasons.
I am not saying I agree with it but it's pretty clear that's what will happen, that would have happened if Sark coached the fight hunger bowl and stayed.

Maybe. After Petersen and DeBeor, even doogs thirst for competitive football. Averaging 9 wins teeters that line of competing for playoffs or not.
A few 7-5, 6-6 type season in years 4 or 5 quickly kills enthusiasm without big time results prior.

The money is definitely making schools less patient. But if Fisch stacks top 13 classes it's going to be hard to go 6-6 imo. In this conference.

 

[YellowSnow]

Wondering if @YellowSnow has this on vinyl

 

[Quietcowskee]

Wondering if @YellowSnow has this on vinyl

 

[YellowSnow]

Wondering if @YellowSnow has this on vinyl

I got great hands, buddy!

 

[godawgst]

I think Fisch took over a really tough situation. I think he helped keep the program from truly bottoming out in 2024 as bad as they could, I think they were better in 2025, I think they should be better in 2026 and beyond I just don't know if it's enough to matter. If he was in a fake conference like the Big 12, or a down Pac-12, he probably would, but Washington's expectations in the Big 10, I don't see it.
I know Sark is a well we go to quite often, but I could really a course like we had with him of getting slightly over time, getting talent into the program, but ultimately winning nothing of consequence.
The player coach shit needs to be managed and assessed better by Fisch with who he is bringing him. I don't even want to know how much Tacario Davis was brought in to sit out the two games where he was really needed.

SC had the #1 Recruit Class this year. Riley may not be it, but scary part is Jen has convinced the big donors that to compete in B10 they need to pony up.
Ducks and Buckeyes are in 1% club in recruiting.
Michigan and Penn State (once they find a coach) are top 10 in recruiting with a much larger and passionate fan/donor base.
Add in at least one every year of Iowa/Wiscy/Sparty that will overachieve and have one of those experience/upperclassman laden teams who will be a nuisance out for everyone they play.
Gun to head, alot of years record wise will look just like this one.

 

[DerekJohnson]

Wondering if @YellowSnow has this on vinyl

I tried to get Grok to put Jedd Fisch's face on an exact replica of Hard Days Night Album cover with different expressions, but what I got was the bet it would do.

 

[HFNY]

Other than not running Muhammed enough in the Oregon game, I put the fumble deep in Wisconsin territory and the INT in the end zone @ Wisconsin along with the end zone INT against Oregon on Demond. Yeah he's a true soph in his first season starting but he has to know situational football. In a horrible weather slug fest at Wisconsin, you can't run around inside your own 10 or 15 yard line against a team with a horrible offense. Just take the sack.
Same for the INTs in the end zone. You're driving and either in the red zone or close to it…both times Demond had decided to go with the first read (deep pass) before the snap of the ball rather than seeing what the defense gave him. If he wants to be a back-up in the NFL, he can't do that shit when called upon.

 

[Quietcowskee]

Other than not running Muhammed enough in the Oregon game, I put the fumble deep in Wisconsin territory and the INT in the end zone @ Wisconsin along with the end zone INT against Oregon on Demond. Yeah he's a true soph in his first season starting but he has to know situational football. In a horrible weather slug fest at Wisconsin, you can't run around inside your own 10 or 15 yard line against a team with a horrible offense. Just take the sack.
Same for the INTs in the end zone. You're driving and either in the red zone or close to it…both times Demond had decided to go with the first read (deep pass) before the snap of the ball rather than seeing what the defense gave him. If he wants to be a back-up in the NFL, he can't do that shit when called upon.

I know it’s different but kinda reminds me of guys like Caleb and McCarthy in the NFL trying to do too much. Gotta settle down and live to fight another day. Some guys can get over it. Some can’t.

 

[BarbarasHedge]

Other than not running Muhammed enough in the Oregon game, I put the fumble deep in Wisconsin territory and the INT in the end zone @ Wisconsin along with the end zone INT against Oregon on Demond. Yeah he's a true soph in his first season starting but he has to know situational football. In a horrible weather slug fest at Wisconsin, you can't run around inside your own 10 or 15 yard line against a team with a horrible offense. Just take the sack.
Same for the INTs in the end zone. You're driving and either in the red zone or close to it…both times Demond had decided to go with the first read (deep pass) before the snap of the ball rather than seeing what the defense gave him. If he wants to be a back-up in the NFL, he can't do that shit when called upon.

This highlights my concerns about Jedd long term.
That won't be the last "horrible weather slugfest" now that we are in the Big Ten.
We need to be more balanced and willing to run, run and more run, when the situation dictates it.
As @dtd pointed out, we have a Cristobal situation here with Jedd, where he'd rather lose his way than win.