PostGameOrangeSlices
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That team was actually natty caliber
Haie is Colin Cowherd
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That team was actually natty caliber
BennyBeaver
New Fish
Who was their QB?
LOL
@Babushka
FremontTroll
New Fish
Wait, Edelman is being seriously considered for the HOF? What?
FremontTroll
New Fish
I mean if you are a run of the mill possession receiver who averages 75 receptions a year for 800 yards and 4 TDs/year with peaks of 105 catches, 1117 yards, and 7 TDs you'd have to be truly exceptional in the playoffs to make the HOF.
Edelman's playoff stats normalized for 16 game season: 99 catches for 1,214 yards and 4.2 TDs.
That's not HOF worthy if he put up those stats for his entire career.
GreenRiverGatorz
New Fish
Well this helps clarify for everyone that your opinion is dogshit.
GreenRiverGatorz
New Fish
No, it's just a manufactured story. Media asks "Is Edelman actually a serious HOF contender???" and then proceeds to waste everyone's time diving into why he's not while a few token idiots play devil's advocate. And then profit.
Torry Holt and Andre Johnson aren't even in the hall. That should say all you need to know about Edelman's odds.
PostGameOrangeSlices
Well-known poster
Kill yourself
Great opinion IMO
PostGameOrangeSlices
Well-known poster
For the record neither receiver is HOF material
Neither belong in the Hall.
RatherBeBrewing
New Fish
Ochocinco and Edelman are difficult to compare. Ochocinco played WR, whereas Edelman played
Jewish WR, a very different position few teams employ.
My initial thought was that the only reason to say that Edelman is better than Ocho is that same reason that DJDuck prefers Brady Breeze to Jevon Holland.
If we’re doing race stuff: Edelman would win.
If it’s a 40 yard race, at least. He had the faster time.
Neither is a Hall-of-Fame player. Statistically it’s not even close. Hines Ward, Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, and Jimmy Smith are the eligible WRs who should be offended that these guys are even mentioned in the same sentence with the HOF.
As far as career accomplishments outside of just regular season stats, Edelman is... maybe a Hall of Famer? I didn’t believe that when I started writing the last paragraph but it’s actually plausible. I was just looking up the stats to give a nod to his playoff accomplishments, but now I’m kind of impressed.
He’s fifth in playoff games played by a WR but second receiving in yards to Jerry Rice. Rice? 77 receiving yards per game. Edelman is at 76. 85 if you don’t count two games from early in his career when he wasn’t targeted.
Playoff all purpose yards has Edelman as one of only four players with over 2,000, and all of the players in the top-8 are in the Hall.
Super Bowl MVP has been given to randos, being around Brady and getting three rings is like 1.5 with a non Brady QB. Then again - HOF WRs were catching passes in the playoffs from Steve Young, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, etc. Edelman did dominate in the 2018/19 playoffs despite not catching a TD. He was also the same age as Ochocinco at the end not his career where he was a husk of himself playing for the Pats.
The stat that really surprised me is that the more Brady targeted Edelman the more likely New England would win. Especially in the playoffs. You throw to Edelman 8 more times and winning % goes up. His target to catch ratio is also elite.
This leaves me with three questions:
1. At what point do postseason accomplishments become important enough on their own?
2. How much do we discount a player because he’s part of a dynasty? Old Tyme Packers, 70s Raiders, 80s/90s 49ers, 90s Cowboys don’t seem as penalized. Edelman is nothing without Brady, but did he make Brady and Gronk look better?
3. Why the fuck is Hines Ward not in the Hall of Fame? Is it because he’s one of the dirtiest players ever? Have we not stopped Asian hate good enough yet? Statistically he’s a HOF player, playoff performer, and he could block for run the damn ball purposes to satisfy even the doogiest Haie types.
Jewish WR, a very different position few teams employ.
My initial thought was that the only reason to say that Edelman is better than Ocho is that same reason that DJDuck prefers Brady Breeze to Jevon Holland.
If we’re doing race stuff: Edelman would win.
If it’s a 40 yard race, at least. He had the faster time.
Neither is a Hall-of-Fame player. Statistically it’s not even close. Hines Ward, Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, and Jimmy Smith are the eligible WRs who should be offended that these guys are even mentioned in the same sentence with the HOF.
As far as career accomplishments outside of just regular season stats, Edelman is... maybe a Hall of Famer? I didn’t believe that when I started writing the last paragraph but it’s actually plausible. I was just looking up the stats to give a nod to his playoff accomplishments, but now I’m kind of impressed.
He’s fifth in playoff games played by a WR but second receiving in yards to Jerry Rice. Rice? 77 receiving yards per game. Edelman is at 76. 85 if you don’t count two games from early in his career when he wasn’t targeted.
Playoff all purpose yards has Edelman as one of only four players with over 2,000, and all of the players in the top-8 are in the Hall.
Super Bowl MVP has been given to randos, being around Brady and getting three rings is like 1.5 with a non Brady QB. Then again - HOF WRs were catching passes in the playoffs from Steve Young, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, etc. Edelman did dominate in the 2018/19 playoffs despite not catching a TD. He was also the same age as Ochocinco at the end not his career where he was a husk of himself playing for the Pats.
The stat that really surprised me is that the more Brady targeted Edelman the more likely New England would win. Especially in the playoffs. You throw to Edelman 8 more times and winning % goes up. His target to catch ratio is also elite.
This leaves me with three questions:
1. At what point do postseason accomplishments become important enough on their own?
2. How much do we discount a player because he’s part of a dynasty? Old Tyme Packers, 70s Raiders, 80s/90s 49ers, 90s Cowboys don’t seem as penalized. Edelman is nothing without Brady, but did he make Brady and Gronk look better?
3. Why the fuck is Hines Ward not in the Hall of Fame? Is it because he’s one of the dirtiest players ever? Have we not stopped Asian hate good enough yet? Statistically he’s a HOF player, playoff performer, and he could block for run the damn ball purposes to satisfy even the doogiest Haie types.
BennyBeaver
New Fish
@CFetters_Nacho_Lover Prescott went to Kennedy.
Edelman made big, clutch plays in big games. That matters and can’t be overlooked. Chad Johnson was great and the better overall player. I’m having a hard time choosing.
I wish I had the last two minutes of my life back