Edgar Martinez back as M's hitting coach
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I don't follow the Mariners like you do. Do you feel this a competent move with Wilson? Or do you feel they're trying recapture fan sentiment of the 1990s?
HFNY
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I'm obviously not Chuck but it's probably some of both. They needed a spark and this combo could provide it.I don't follow the Mariners like you do. Do you feel this a competent move with Wilson? Or do you feel they're trying recapture fan sentiment of the 1990s?
Most important, they need to pay up for a multiyear deal for Bregman or Matt Chapman. Neither are earth shattering but Bregman has a career WAR of nearly 40 and Chapman has a career WAR of 30. Ben Williamson is at AA and is not a can't miss guy, plus he won't be ready until some time in 2026 anyway.
This is the same old loser franchise shit unless it actually works.
The M's have the same issue my Dallas Cowboys have. You can change coaches and players all you want, but if the ownership is incompetent it's not going to matter.
The M's have the same issue my Dallas Cowboys have. You can change coaches and players all you want, but if the ownership is incompetent it's not going to matter.
I don't think it was a competent move because of the way they did it. They should've put the interim tag on him. Since they didn't one would assume there's no search coming and he's the manager for at least 2025.I don't follow the Mariners like you do. Do you feel this a competent move with Wilson? Or do you feel they're trying recapture fan sentiment of the 1990s?
It's shit as fuck if that's really what's happening. That is not the move of a franchise that's serious enough to win. I'd compare it to UW hiring Gilby or Lake without a genuine search, but it's worse than both of those. Wilson has virtually zero experience as a manager or coach.
That was my understanding that Wilson had never managed. And instead of "We're handing the keys to Dan to see how he handles the rest of the season," they name him THE manager going forward. I don't recall any MLB team in my lifetime making a move like that.I don't think it was a competent move because of the way they did it. They should've put the interim tag on him. Since they didn't one would assume there's no search coming and he's the manager for at least 2025.I don't follow the Mariners like you do. Do you feel this a competent move with Wilson? Or do you feel they're trying recapture fan sentiment of the 1990s?
It's shit as fuck if that's really what's happening. That is not the move of a franchise that's serious enough to win. I'd compare it to UW hiring Gilby or Lake without a genuine search, but it's worse than both of those. Wilson has virtually zero experience as a manager or coach.
C+ move because he has been involved with the team as an player development advisor and traveling coach at various levels within the organization for a long time, and has a good relationship with the players ~ as does Edgar.
In history lots of teams have hired retired players with little to no coaching history and made it work ~ but those guys usually had owners that bought talent and a good farm system.
In this case i think they are thinking that this is a similar scenario as having hired Servais who also had no coaching experience but had been a catcher in MLB for eleven seasons.
Servais was previously the assistant general manager for the LA Angels [with Dipoto as i recall] and director of player development for the Texas Rangers so understands Dipoto's thoughts on Baseball and team building from within.
This is not a power move [obviously not quite the same as hiring a stud like Boche which they could have done when he became available] so it seems like another very Mariner attempt at inexpensive middle of the pack baseball that features good and likeable guys.
In history lots of teams have hired retired players with little to no coaching history and made it work ~ but those guys usually had owners that bought talent and a good farm system.
In this case i think they are thinking that this is a similar scenario as having hired Servais who also had no coaching experience but had been a catcher in MLB for eleven seasons.
Servais was previously the assistant general manager for the LA Angels [with Dipoto as i recall] and director of player development for the Texas Rangers so understands Dipoto's thoughts on Baseball and team building from within.
This is not a power move [obviously not quite the same as hiring a stud like Boche which they could have done when he became available] so it seems like another very Mariner attempt at inexpensive middle of the pack baseball that features good and likeable guys.
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HFNY
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It looks like Haniger has a player option for $15.5 million in 2025 though at least Polanco will be off the books with a $750k buyout. I'm not sure what they do with Garver, it looks like he's fallen off a cliff and they owe him $12.5 million next year. That's a very expensive back-up catcher since he shouldn't be a DH if he hits below the Mendoza line.
2B next year can be Rojas / Bliss and they need to spend big on a 3B bat.
OF looks like:
LF: Arozarena
CF: Julio
RF: Canzone / Haniger (very very expensive 4th OF)
1B should be Locklear and Raley with Raley spelling Arozarena in LF.
2B next year can be Rojas / Bliss and they need to spend big on a 3B bat.
OF looks like:
LF: Arozarena
CF: Julio
RF: Canzone / Haniger (very very expensive 4th OF)
1B should be Locklear and Raley with Raley spelling Arozarena in LF.
I bet they find a way to rid themselves of either Haniger or Garver and just eat the $$. I hope it's Haniger. If you're eating $12 mil anyways you might as well hang onto your backup catcher. It's always possible he rediscovers his bat which would be a nice bonus.
I like Raley as the 4th OF. 1b is the easiest position to find a bat for. I wouldn't assume Raley is your primary 1b and I definitely wouldn't assume that Locklear is back. Counting on him being any better than, or even equal to, average is a bad gamble IMO.
This season no longer interests me. The hot stove league is where *we? really shine. Can't come soon enough.
HFNY
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I hope they eat Haniger's contract and I forgot about Robles. The farm system's OF talent is top heavy now (Montes, Framelo) and won't be ready until 2026 at the earliest so they must be hoping Canzone can take the next step, at least against RHP (he's been slumping lately too).
So if I'm the GM, I'm begging ownership to let me sign Bregman or Chapman at 3B and a hitter like Josh Bell on a 1-year deal with a mutual option to compete with Locklear and also DH some.
With Polanco's $10 million off the books and Luis Urias off the books ($5 million), that's at least $15 million freed up to go after Bregman / Chapman.
I'm not sure who they extend, maybe Cal first and hope he can cut down on the strike-outs. This was interesting:
Rounding Out the Numbers: Dog Days
So if I'm the GM, I'm begging ownership to let me sign Bregman or Chapman at 3B and a hitter like Josh Bell on a 1-year deal with a mutual option to compete with Locklear and also DH some.
With Polanco's $10 million off the books and Luis Urias off the books ($5 million), that's at least $15 million freed up to go after Bregman / Chapman.
I'm not sure who they extend, maybe Cal first and hope he can cut down on the strike-outs. This was interesting:
Rounding Out the Numbers: Dog Days
Yeah 3b seems like the obvious spot but I don't know if there's anyone out there aside from the two guys you mentioned. I'd bet my son both of them will be well outside the Ms price range.
So, my guess is they get the best bat they can at whatever position and shoehorn someone in at 1b if necessary. Maybe they try to sign two significant bats and one is a first baseman.
HFNY
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How depressing if they'd rather flail on cheap options on 1 or 2 year deals that will likely fall flat rather than go for quality over 3 to 4 years.
The current scouting department is clearly very good at finding and developing pitchers so they should pay up for good bats.
The current scouting department is clearly very good at finding and developing pitchers so they should pay up for good bats.
Just someone to keep the seat warm for Locklear.
Or keep the seat warm for Montez.
Or keep the seat warm for some 15 year old Cuban kid who they'll sign in two years and we'll see at Arkansas by 2030...
CallMeBigErn
New Fish
Nothing is wrong with Edgar as the hitting coach. Everything is wrong with this franchise. This season is the crime of century. All centuries, for that matter. An embarrassment of the highest order. Dikembe Mutumbo has nothing on this. At least that Sonics skwad made the playoffs.
Could be worse though. Could be a Florida State fan.
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Having watched that Sonics squad shit the bed against the Nuggets, I would have preferred they just miss the playoffs rather than being the first #1 seed to lose to an 8, as well as the way they did it. Total collapse.