Do you think this just happens by accident?

[YellowSnow]

Dude Wisconsin is a very solid Tier II program. Wisconsin would never, ever get to a 4 team playoff and a title game.

Whatever the tiers are UW and UW are not anywhere near the same league.

 

[haie]

You're just making my point for me. Washington is not a Tier II program.
Right now as programs you have Alabama/OSU in a league of their own, then you have maybe Georgia/Michigan some distance behind them, then you have programs that made it to multiple final 4's or a strong showing in that realm which brings together a collection of teams that includes UW but does not include UW.
The blue blood thing is irresponsible, to me. A ton of teams that people consider a blue blood are simply Tier I or even Tier II in Nebraska's case.

 

[YellowSnow]

You're just making my point for me. Washington is not a Tier II program.
Right now as programs you have Alabama/OSU in a league of their own, then you have maybe Georgia/Michigan some distance behind them, then you have programs that made it to multiple final 4's or a strong showing in that realm which brings together a collection of teams that includes UW but does not include UW.
The blue blood thing is irresponsible, to me. A ton of teams that people consider a blue blood are simply Tier I or even Tier II in Nebraska's case.

Disagree. I think you’ve got about 10 true blue bloods. Then another 10 that can get close to blue blood periodically like UW. Then you have the Iowa and Wisconsin tier.

 

[haie]

I do not subscribe to that criteria when you have an ND team that would have gotten run completely off the fucking rainbow by our 22 and 23 teams.
History is very important. Washington has such a great history that it will always be part of our identity. If Clooney can take time from banging to go make a movie then it's something. And it was a collection of people, not one guy sticking his cock into everything for fun.

 

[RaceBannon]

Michigan and Wisconsin setting football back 50 years
Washington should have 10 wins before the season starts in this league

 

[DerekJohnson]

Gerb was a good university Pres though. I interacted with him a time or two as an undergrad. Classic academis egghead.
He had some alumni pressure about the football team that didn't get a lot of press. Back in the late 80s and early 90s the football team was causing some problems on campus and in the U District. I can recite some examples, but suffice it to say there were some rough dudes playing for Washington. Quietly, Gerbs was hearing from some big boosters of the school to deal with what was becoming a bit of a side show.
Just trying to keep it a little real here lest this place become fagman.com.

I believe all of that. He's still Judas in that instead of reeling some of that in he instead took the football program out back and shot it.
Same as it ever was at Washington. Football success breeds academic resentment since we? ARE a tier 2 academus program.

It could be argued that the Pac-12 still exists today if Gerbs didn't do what he did

 

[TheHB]

Difference is Ohio State prioritizes football. UW allows it.

 

[haie]

At least we? aren't a shitty basketball school that only sells out games to Iowa and Washington and gets their ass blown out in a single quarter in front of one.

 

[creepycoug]

Gerb was a good university Pres though. I interacted with him a time or two as an undergrad. Classic academis egghead.
He had some alumni pressure about the football team that didn't get a lot of press. Back in the late 80s and early 90s the football team was causing some problems on campus and in the U District. I can recite some examples, but suffice it to say there were some rough dudes playing for Washington. Quietly, Gerbs was hearing from some big boosters of the school to deal with what was becoming a bit of a side show.
Just trying to keep it a little real here lest this place become fagman.com.

I believe all of that. He's still Judas in that instead of reeling some of that in he instead took the football program out back and shot it.
Same as it ever was at Washington. Football success breeds academic resentment since we? ARE a tier 2 academus program.

I think that's fair. I think the Hubris of Gerbs was his naive belief that the Pac 10 was a conference of pals, all of which would of course put conference before self-interest. I believe he got sold down the river particularly by the Bay Area (funny - just flew in from there) schools and there was no excuse for that ignorance. Bill Walsh went public with his disdain over UW, which incidentally was identical to the disdain other programs and fans have whenever anyone is at the top of the hill. UW was top of the hill in the Pac and Gerbs didn't see the real agenda of the California schools.
Long story short, he put conference before school. Big mistake.

 

[creepycoug]

Yep. Though I'm not sure I'd put Michigan up where you have them. The natty run was the exception not the rule. Not in Buck's tier except they beat Buck more than most other teams but that's because of the rivalry. Coug beats us? too but that doesn't mean we're? the same. We? are not.

 

[creepycoug]

You're just making my point for me. Washington is not a Tier II program.
Right now as programs you have Alabama/OSU in a league of their own, then you have maybe Georgia/Michigan some distance behind them, then you have programs that made it to multiple final 4's or a strong showing in that realm which brings together a collection of teams that includes UW but does not include UW.
The blue blood thing is irresponsible, to me. A ton of teams that people consider a blue blood are simply Tier I or even Tier II in Nebraska's case.

I think the blue blood thing is of limited utility. Like, when an Alabama or a Buck go a decade or more w/o winning anything of significance (which has happened) then who cares who is carved into some minor mountain in South Dakota?
America is about what you've done lately, what you're doing now. Losers sit around and pull on their cocks over what used to happen back before they were born. That's monarchy and that is anathema to the American spirit. You want to be on top? You gotta get on top and stay on top.
Some people have a weak spot for royalty. For example, I know a lot of non-Troojes who worship at the alter of USC. No many can really match their history as enshrined at Heritage Hall but it's not doing anything for Lincoln Riley's defense. It's a disease we all have to one degree or another.
Don't twist. If you were winning big over the last ten or 15 years, then of course it matters. But if it's much more before that and you haven't even knocked on the door since, how much time am I expected to devote to G'ingAF about that?

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

I will die on a hill against repeated @RaceBannon human wave attacks that keeping DeBoer from going to Bammer was a bridge too far.
But to your point, I think there evidence that UW cares enough about football to try and be a consistent top 10- 15 program. We built the new stadium, hired Pete from BSU, fired a POC head coach for losing to Montana, and killed the Pac 12.

I don’t think we can give UW too much credit for Fire Lake. Jen’s text threads with AMC showed it. It was going to be a “teaching moment” or some similar bullshit for him but Lake rejected it and forced them to fire him.

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

The problem with your analysis here is that Sark was not highly thought of back in 2008 and Lake was a lazy hire.
UW is 2 for 4 on great hires (Pete & Fats) and in LIPO mode for number 5.

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

When Babs hired Neuheisel away from the Buffs for roughly $1 mill. per in '99, he was one of the highest paid HCs in the nation.

After Rick took them to the cleaners in court, UW upper campus got gun shy, and have been ever since, when it comes to paying coaches top dollar. I think it's due to multiple factors, but IMHO one of the major reasons is because the university/city/community has become increasingly more PC. TITTT.

People forget Ohio State wanted to kill granny for the sake of playing football in 2020. I don't see how you make Seattle culture into Ohio State culture, which I guess makes me a low expectations, cuckold loser. TITTT.

There’s a level of competitiveness in the Midwest culture that doesn’t exist in Washington. I saw a young mom trash talk her own 6 year old son after she beat him at a game of foosball.
We joke about all the different options that exist for outdoor recreation in Seattle but it’s true. A lot of that outdoor stuff is non-competitive. Go to Ohio and sure, there are outdoor options available but so much of that state is meh and so there’s a huge focus on sports and competition that absolutely permeates the culture of the state. Hence, @RaceBannon saying tOSU’s admin is more scared of their fanbase.

There’s another piece of this. A lot of people have mentioned needing an organization will to win and that’s necessary but the part getting left out is the ability and know how needed to win. UW seems to lack the ability and know how at the higher levels.

 

[PurpleThrobber]

When Babs hired Neuheisel away from the Buffs for roughly $1 mill. per in '99, he was one of the highest paid HCs in the nation.

After Rick took them to the cleaners in court, UW upper campus got gun shy, and have been ever since, when it comes to paying coaches top dollar. I think it's due to multiple factors, but IMHO one of the major reasons is because the university/city/community has become increasingly more PC. TITTT.

People forget Ohio State wanted to kill granny for the sake of playing football in 2020. I don't see how you make Seattle culture into Ohio State culture, which I guess makes me a low expectations, cuckold loser. TITTT.

There’s a level of competitiveness in the Midwest culture that doesn’t exist in Washington. I saw a young mom trash talk her own 6 year old son after she beat him at a game of foosball.
We joke about all the different options that exist for outdoor recreation in Seattle but it’s true. A lot of that outdoor stuff is non-competitive. Go to Ohio and sure, there are outdoor options available but so much of that state is meh and so there’s a huge focus on sports and competition that absolutely permeates the culture of the state. Hence, @RaceBannon saying tOSU’s admin is more scared of their fanbase.

There’s another piece of this. A lot of people have mentioned needing an organization will to win and that’s necessary but the part getting left out is the ability and know how needed to win. UW seems to lack the ability and know how at the higher levels.

NW competitiveness is passive aggressive behavior.

 

[YellowSnow]

You're just making my point for me. Washington is not a Tier II program.
Right now as programs you have Alabama/OSU in a league of their own, then you have maybe Georgia/Michigan some distance behind them, then you have programs that made it to multiple final 4's or a strong showing in that realm which brings together a collection of teams that includes UW but does not include UW.
The blue blood thing is irresponsible, to me. A ton of teams that people consider a blue blood are simply Tier I or even Tier II in Nebraska's case.

I think the blue blood thing is of limited utility. Like, when an Alabama or a Buck go a decade or more w/o winning anything of significance (which has happened) then who cares who is carved into some minor mountain in South Dakota?
America is about what you've done lately, what you're doing now. Losers sit around and pull on their cocks over what used to happen back before they were born. That's monarchy and that is anathema to the American spirit. You want to be on top? You gotta get on top and stay on top.
Some people have a weak spot for royalty. For example, I know a lot of non-Troojes who worship at the alter of USC. No many can really match their history as enshrined at Heritage Hall but it's not doing anything for Lincoln Riley's defense. It's a disease we all have to one degree or another.
Don't twist. If you were winning big over the last ten or 15 years, then of course it matters. But if it's much more before that and you haven't even knocked on the door since, how much time am I expected to devote to G'ingAF about that?

Come on now, @creepycoug we need Blue Blooded, royalty in the sport. Without it there's just anarchy and chaos. It's the guillotine in the Place de la Concorde!
It's not like Alabama, Ohio State, USC and ND didn't earn their spots on Mt Rushmore meritocratically. They've won NTs over many different eras in the sport across decades.
I'm not saying this needs to be absolute monarchy - it could be of a limited, constitutional variety. If Miamuh wins it all this year, we can start negotiations to remove the Papists from Rushmore and add the Convicts. 6 NTs in 42 years would be hard to ignore.

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

There's no reason Washington can't be Ohio State.
They have a shit ton of fans subsidizing way too many non revenue sports and are still 1a/1b to Alabama as a football brand that not even LSU and Georgia can touch right now.
One critical thing they have done is stick with that staff and Ryan Day. Many years went by with the Third Base narrative and that Ohio State was wasting talent and not a serious threat. But they stuck with their message if development and buying players from other regions and it's paying off in a big way for them. They're so much better off than Michigan right now..

I’d settle for being Oregon in terms of popularity, financial support and recruiting. If Lanning was Deboer Oregon wins an NCS last year and looking at back to back this year

 

[YellowSnow]

When Babs hired Neuheisel away from the Buffs for roughly $1 mill. per in '99, he was one of the highest paid HCs in the nation.

After Rick took them to the cleaners in court, UW upper campus got gun shy, and have been ever since, when it comes to paying coaches top dollar. I think it's due to multiple factors, but IMHO one of the major reasons is because the university/city/community has become increasingly more PC. TITTT.

People forget Ohio State wanted to kill granny for the sake of playing football in 2020. I don't see how you make Seattle culture into Ohio State culture, which I guess makes me a low expectations, cuckold loser. TITTT.

There’s a level of competitiveness in the Midwest culture that doesn’t exist in Washington. I saw a young mom trash talk her own 6 year old son after she beat him at a game of foosball.
We joke about all the different options that exist for outdoor recreation in Seattle but it’s true. A lot of that outdoor stuff is non-competitive. Go to Ohio and sure, there are outdoor options available but so much of that state is meh and so there’s a huge focus on sports and competition that absolutely permeates the culture of the state. Hence, @RaceBannon saying tOSU’s admin is more scared of their fanbase.

There’s another piece of this. A lot of people have mentioned needing an organization will to win and that’s necessary but the part getting left out is the ability and know how needed to win. UW seems to lack the ability and know how at the higher levels.

There's noting more pathetic that overly competitive sports ball parents with JAG fucking kids. Unless your kid has some kinda rare human body type/skill set for said sport, chill the fuck out weirdos.
Am I right @creepycoug or am I right?

 

[YellowSnow]

When Babs hired Neuheisel away from the Buffs for roughly $1 mill. per in '99, he was one of the highest paid HCs in the nation.

After Rick took them to the cleaners in court, UW upper campus got gun shy, and have been ever since, when it comes to paying coaches top dollar. I think it's due to multiple factors, but IMHO one of the major reasons is because the university/city/community has become increasingly more PC. TITTT.

People forget Ohio State wanted to kill granny for the sake of playing football in 2020. I don't see how you make Seattle culture into Ohio State culture, which I guess makes me a low expectations, cuckold loser. TITTT.

There’s a level of competitiveness in the Midwest culture that doesn’t exist in Washington. I saw a young mom trash talk her own 6 year old son after she beat him at a game of foosball.
We joke about all the different options that exist for outdoor recreation in Seattle but it’s true. A lot of that outdoor stuff is non-competitive. Go to Ohio and sure, there are outdoor options available but so much of that state is meh and so there’s a huge focus on sports and competition that absolutely permeates the culture of the state. Hence, @RaceBannon saying tOSU’s admin is more scared of their fanbase.

There’s another piece of this. A lot of people have mentioned needing an organization will to win and that’s necessary but the part getting left out is the ability and know how needed to win. UW seems to lack the ability and know how at the higher levels.

NW competitiveness is passive aggressive behavior.

Hence, why we're so good at internet tuff guy, keyboard warriors!

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

When Babs hired Neuheisel away from the Buffs for roughly $1 mill. per in '99, he was one of the highest paid HCs in the nation.

After Rick took them to the cleaners in court, UW upper campus got gun shy, and have been ever since, when it comes to paying coaches top dollar. I think it's due to multiple factors, but IMHO one of the major reasons is because the university/city/community has become increasingly more PC. TITTT.

People forget Ohio State wanted to kill granny for the sake of playing football in 2020. I don't see how you make Seattle culture into Ohio State culture, which I guess makes me a low expectations, cuckold loser. TITTT.

There’s a level of competitiveness in the Midwest culture that doesn’t exist in Washington. I saw a young mom trash talk her own 6 year old son after she beat him at a game of foosball.
We joke about all the different options that exist for outdoor recreation in Seattle but it’s true. A lot of that outdoor stuff is non-competitive. Go to Ohio and sure, there are outdoor options available but so much of that state is meh and so there’s a huge focus on sports and competition that absolutely permeates the culture of the state. Hence, @RaceBannon saying tOSU’s admin is more scared of their fanbase.

There’s another piece of this. A lot of people have mentioned needing an organization will to win and that’s necessary but the part getting left out is the ability and know how needed to win. UW seems to lack the ability and know how at the higher levels.

There's noting more pathetic that overly competitive sports ball parents with JAG fucking kids. Unless your kid has some kinda rare human body type/skill set for said sport, chill the fuck out weirdos.
Am I right @creepycoug or am I right?

Different kinda competitiveness and attitude.