DO RANKINGS MATTER?: TAKING A LOOK AT OHIO STATE AND CLEMSON’S RECRUITING NUMBERS
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Thanks Taft but the website is called eleven warriors which is just too much war imagery for my taste.
The Buckeyes are pretty close to Clemson
Should have could have won last year
But Dabo outcoached Day
Should have could have won last year
But Dabo outcoached Day
creepycoug
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Of course they matter. Think about any major program making any kind of run, and the correlation of having a lot of players excel in the NFL during and after that run is pretty strong.
Of course, inadequate coaching can and often does take that talent and squander it, or underachieve with it.
But even with great coaching, you can only get so far with scheme and trickeration. Eventually, the cream rises. The Peach Bowl is a good example. I'm not convinced Kirby is a great HC, Cincy came out punching, Georgia was flat as fuck and dead on the sidelines. And then the physical disparities start to assert themselves.
Not always. But 9 / 10ths of the tim.
Of course, inadequate coaching can and often does take that talent and squander it, or underachieve with it.
But even with great coaching, you can only get so far with scheme and trickeration. Eventually, the cream rises. The Peach Bowl is a good example. I'm not convinced Kirby is a great HC, Cincy came out punching, Georgia was flat as fuck and dead on the sidelines. And then the physical disparities start to assert themselves.
Not always. But 9 / 10ths of the tim.
Cincy had a chance and gambled with that pass play on 3rd and 2. Hit that and you’re a hero. Miss and give it back to Georgia without bleeding the clock.
Clemson needs to level up to tOSU
It looked like Night and Day out there from last year. If Ryan Day can coach welcome to the next dynasty
I like the Bucks over Bama
You like to refer to Cincinnati as Cincy. It's what you like to do.
@bearcats6969 Thoughts?
Kingdome_Urinals
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Little known fact, a lot of Buckeye fans were sick of Urban because he played a lot of poor passing QBs. There was considerable optimism when Day was hired because he would run better passing concepts and not just play Terrell Pryor and Braxton Miller types.
Kingdome_Urinals
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If Saban retires and if Dabo has peaked, Ohio St. is set for a good run. Or an even better run.
RatherBeBrewing
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Urban Meyer didn’t use Terrelle Pryor properly. Just like Willie Taggart misused Marcus Mariota and Ty Willingham played Marques Tuiasosopo too much.
RatherBeBrewing
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Alabama: 12 5-stars, 58 4-stars
Ohio State: 14 5-stars, 52 4-stars
Clemson: 11 5-stars, 35 4-stars
Notre Dame: 2 5-stars, 44 4-stars
Projections for 2021 with known departures and before additional changes, +\-
Oregon: 4 5-stars, 43 4-stars
USC: 2 5-stars, 42 4-stars
Washington: 2 5-stars, 37 4-stars
Those rosters are theoretically good enough to compete for the third or fourth playoff spot to get blown out by Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, or Georgia.
The Big Ten or Big-12 won’t have three teams that talented, and the ACC will be close with Miami and UNC. But the national narrative will once again be about how shitty the Pac-12 is. The conference’s other problem is that recruits in the West or JuCo or wherever the fuck Wittingham and Wilcox find their players are underrated. The conference will fuck over a good team with: shitty reffing, a Thursday night trip to the state of Arizona, or some other thing that Ohio State or Oklahoma won’t have to deal with. And the cycle will continue.
Ohio State: 14 5-stars, 52 4-stars
Clemson: 11 5-stars, 35 4-stars
Notre Dame: 2 5-stars, 44 4-stars
Projections for 2021 with known departures and before additional changes, +\-
Oregon: 4 5-stars, 43 4-stars
USC: 2 5-stars, 42 4-stars
Washington: 2 5-stars, 37 4-stars
Those rosters are theoretically good enough to compete for the third or fourth playoff spot to get blown out by Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, or Georgia.
The Big Ten or Big-12 won’t have three teams that talented, and the ACC will be close with Miami and UNC. But the national narrative will once again be about how shitty the Pac-12 is. The conference’s other problem is that recruits in the West or JuCo or wherever the fuck Wittingham and Wilcox find their players are underrated. The conference will fuck over a good team with: shitty reffing, a Thursday night trip to the state of Arizona, or some other thing that Ohio State or Oklahoma won’t have to deal with. And the cycle will continue.
The Clemson, tOSU, and Alabama dynasties are going to be damn tough for anyone else to beat in the CFP until their excellent coaches retire or depart for other programs. I think the only way a UW, UO or USC can win a CFP game is with the generational talent at QB. Mariota was that, although they didn't get it done in the end against Buck. Browning was not.
RatherBeBrewing
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All my homies love Clay Helton.
Five stars leaving: Amon Ra and Warren Gs son to the draft, Pala Gratuity (transfer out), Stephen Carr (?)
Remaining: Bruh McCoy
Incoming: Korey Foreman
I don’t know what Korey Foreman was thinking, I can only assume that Clay Helton lied to him and told him that Urban Meyer would be his actual coach. Or he gave him the sales pitch on how good Drake Jackson was as a freshman and Clay had him switch positions to get much worse; he can do that for him too. Maybe he even went for the big guns and taped Foreman to the back of a USC jersey or started a canned food drive, we’ll never know.
It’s not a bad class, but I have never seen a 2-2-7 defense. I think Clay is going for the ol’ Willie Taggart artificially inflate the recruiting ranking with DBs and WRs to make himself look better strategy. I wanted Ceyair Wright, thought Oregon had a chance after he took a visit last month to walk around campus - but Feld flexing and yelling through FaceTime isn’t as effective.
CallMeBigErn
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I think we'll get a little more parity once the playoffs expand. In the current setup, recruits feel like they have to go to Bama, Ohio State, or Clemson to have a chance to play in the playoffs. Once conference champions get an auto bid, kids will see that they can play in the playoffs anywhere. It may take time to feel that effect, but I'm doogin' that we'll get a little more parity down the road.
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Kingdome_Urinals
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"types" dipshit.