Kingdome_Urinals
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Yep. He will always be small, slight, and relatively weak-armed. He can't see the field well and provides no upside against the most talented teams.
Demond
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AtomicDawg
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he threw into double coverage on both his picks unnecessarily yesterday. He missed open receivers for no reason yesterday. He sucked vs Michigan and Wisconsin.
his coach is obsessed with making his qb something he is not. Both are true.
TheHB
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which is why I think he is salvageable. Just not with Fisch
Against talented defenses, or well coached defenses …
UW can't run any quick stuff, because Demond can't see/read anything with a 3-step drop.
UW can't run any intermediate stuff consistently because his 5-step drop turns into an 8-step drop.
UW can't run any deep stuff consistently because his 7-step drop turns into a 10-step drop.
Any advantage that a receiver gains while running these routes is mitigated by the fact that our QB's inability to deliver the ball on time gives the defense an extra second or two to recover.
Every time you see a camera angle from either endzone that shows a play developing, he has guys that are open … when they are supposed to be open … but he rarely delivers the ball on time, so he just flat misses them.
I think he is often given simple routes/reads that should be easy rhythm completions, and he'll throw a bad ball, without any rhyme or reason. There were several of those against Oregon (especially early in the game), but it's been a pattern all season.
He's elusive, but not fast/quick. He often escapes the pocket with his elusiveness, but then gets caught by guys from behind, or who close on him, when it appears as though he should outrun them for much more yardage. (He's also terrible at the "read" part of any read-option/RPO stuff). Because of that, I don't see him as a true "dual threat" QB.
It's easy to fault the OL, but they are serviceable for the most part; however, it's tough to sustain blocks when the ball is never coming out of the QB's hand on time.
If UW is satisfied with 8-4, Demond is the guy. If UW wants to be better than that, they need to find a new quarterback.
UW can't run any quick stuff, because Demond can't see/read anything with a 3-step drop.
UW can't run any intermediate stuff consistently because his 5-step drop turns into an 8-step drop.
UW can't run any deep stuff consistently because his 7-step drop turns into a 10-step drop.
Any advantage that a receiver gains while running these routes is mitigated by the fact that our QB's inability to deliver the ball on time gives the defense an extra second or two to recover.
Every time you see a camera angle from either endzone that shows a play developing, he has guys that are open … when they are supposed to be open … but he rarely delivers the ball on time, so he just flat misses them.
I think he is often given simple routes/reads that should be easy rhythm completions, and he'll throw a bad ball, without any rhyme or reason. There were several of those against Oregon (especially early in the game), but it's been a pattern all season.
He's elusive, but not fast/quick. He often escapes the pocket with his elusiveness, but then gets caught by guys from behind, or who close on him, when it appears as though he should outrun them for much more yardage. (He's also terrible at the "read" part of any read-option/RPO stuff). Because of that, I don't see him as a true "dual threat" QB.
It's easy to fault the OL, but they are serviceable for the most part; however, it's tough to sustain blocks when the ball is never coming out of the QB's hand on time.
If UW is satisfied with 8-4, Demond is the guy. If UW wants to be better than that, they need to find a new quarterback.
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Demond would look a hell of a lot better in a better offense. That's it. It's that simple.
Of course it can be coached. DeBoer had the whole team believing that "We're Built for This." You don't by a semi-miracle win 22 games in a row by accident.
digits
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I understand the importance of coaching, don't get me wrong.
Let me put it another way: Do you think DeBoer wins those 22 games in a row with Demond rather than Penix? Highly fucking doubtful.
With all due respect, this is some disingenuous cherry picking. How about asking me what UW's record is this season with DeBoer coaching Fisch's current roster?
sinceredawg
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Hey Derek, what UW's record is this season with DeBoer coaching Fisch's current roster?
creepycoug
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Agree with all that except your point about him not being fast/quick. He's is definitely both of those things. Don't know what his top-end 40 to 60 meter speed is and don't care because it doesn't matter, but his first step and acceleration are there for football. He can move.
I think it's more of an issue with him running like he passes: no confidence. There's no doubt that when he makes up his mind to run and takes off he can hurt you with his legs. His acceleration and overall speed is better than that of most true dual threats, just based on observation. But even on the ground he can be indecisive and fuck around too much.
Kid should be a full-time RPO QB. RPO, like running the option, like almost anything, requires a lot of repetition to be good at it. I would have made that my bread and butter with this kid instead of trying to make a living with him out of the pocket. There are dudes who are under 6' who pull it off but DW clearly isn't one of them.
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When he runs he has two linebackers waiting for him 4 yards down field. They are waiting there because when he steps up he’s basically running 90% of the time. They aren’t worried about him throwing when he on the move. The great running qb’s can pump fake 4 yards over the line of scrimmage and pick up an extra 10.
Breathlessly speaking the obvious ~ its what i like to do:
The sophomore season for QB’s is by definition a grind ~ and this has been… 2-3 big play throws and 2-3 passes that are nowhere near the receiver at game defining moments has defined the season.
This year the OC / QB combination have simply not made the required big plays at key moments against top teams.
Not enough developed talent at WR has been a liability but talent is emerging
The emergence of Mohammed is a true surprise ~ Coleman is playing hurt is how it looks because he just has not been the same guy ~ two more good players are needed at RB
This defense has been surprisingly good ~ the DC and defensive coaches have done a great job.
The staff is recruiting surprisingly well ~ the incoming class of recruits is one of the best in UW history.
Fische may or may not really want to be here but his wife clearly does not which is a crystal clear couch sell signal ~ its just a question of time before he leaves or moves on to Wife 2.0
The sophomore season for QB’s is by definition a grind ~ and this has been… 2-3 big play throws and 2-3 passes that are nowhere near the receiver at game defining moments has defined the season.
This year the OC / QB combination have simply not made the required big plays at key moments against top teams.
Not enough developed talent at WR has been a liability but talent is emerging
The emergence of Mohammed is a true surprise ~ Coleman is playing hurt is how it looks because he just has not been the same guy ~ two more good players are needed at RB
This defense has been surprisingly good ~ the DC and defensive coaches have done a great job.
The staff is recruiting surprisingly well ~ the incoming class of recruits is one of the best in UW history.
Fische may or may not really want to be here but his wife clearly does not which is a crystal clear couch sell signal ~ its just a question of time before he leaves or moves on to Wife 2.0
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While not necessarily being your initial best idea, wife 2.0 can sometimes turn out to be an exciting outcome…
I'd say 10-2. Definite loss to Ohio State and another one along the line in a Charmin soft schedule for the ages. This is all theoretical of course, but I feel DeBoer finds a way to beat Oregon at home given all the current circumstances.
To be fair, it could be argued that the current UW defense (coached by Ryan Walters) is better than one that DeBoer would have fielded.