Defensive Stop Rates

[TheHB]

Not great, but not as poor as many probably think. Defensive stop rate is “the percentage of a defense’s drives that end in punts, turnovers or a turnover on downs. This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
https://theathletic.com/5063581/2023/11/14/college-football-stop-rate-defense-rankings-usc/

 

[RaceBannon]

Perception trumps reality. Something I have noticed since my nerves were shot and I started going Jerry West

When watching live with everything on the line it really does seem like Opponent is 22 out of 23 on third down

In fact it was Petersen versus Shaw that killed me

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Perception trumps reality. Something I have noticed since my nerves were shot and I started going Jerry West

When watching live with everything on the line it really does seem like Opponent is 22 out of 23 on third down

In fact it was Petersen versus Shaw that killed me

This is a good point

Petersen and Kwat can't get off the field on 3rd down in the later 3rd and 4th quarters. How many times did we see Stanford and Oregon march down and burn up insane amounts of clock?

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

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Not great, but not as poor as many probably think. Defensive stop rate is “the percentage of a defense’s drives that end in punts, turnovers or a turnover on downs. This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
https://theathletic.com/5063581/2023/11/14/college-football-stop-rate-defense-rankings-usc/

I told Mrs Nacho at the beginning of the USC game that we? only needed 2 more stops than USC got and we did, 5 stops to 3.

 

[EsophagealFeces]

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Not great, but not as poor as many probably think. Defensive stop rate is “the percentage of a defense’s drives that end in punts, turnovers or a turnover on downs. This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
https://theathletic.com/5063581/2023/11/14/college-football-stop-rate-defense-rankings-usc/

I told Mrs Nacho at the beginning of the USC game that we? only needed 2 more stops than USC got and we did, 5 stops to 3.

That’s the reality with this offense, if the defense can get more stops than the other team, we win. Their ability to score touchdowns instead of field goals and score quickly at the end of halves makes us damn near impossible to beat if the defense wins the stop battle

 

[FireCohen]

This defense is insanely inconsistent, but they are consistent in making plays when they need to. The ASU game was exhibit A. They seemed to play the whole game on the field and did not give up too much and were able to score

 

[MikeSeaver]

“ This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”

Yeah but almost all of those teams suck.

More nerds stealing money from jocks info.

 

[TheHB]

“ This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”

Yeah but almost all of those teams suck.

More nerds stealing money from jocks info.

I tend to agree. Seems like you can find an analytic to support pretty much anything you want.

 

[dirtysouwfdawg]

“ This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”

Yeah but almost all of those teams suck.

More nerds stealing money from jocks info.

I tend to agree. Seems like you can find an analytic to support pretty much anything you want.

I can confirm. IRL I live and die by the ANALytics and you can always find a way to be #1 in something.

 

[RaceBannon]

Nothing beats having a 99% win probability until you don't

I mean if you have the lead in the 4th quarter you have a pretty good chance to win if you don't blow it - Ron Fairly

 

[DerekJohnson]

Perception trumps reality. Something I have noticed since my nerves were shot and I started going Jerry West

When watching live with everything on the line it really does seem like Opponent is 22 out of 23 on third down[/b]

In fact it was Petersen versus Shaw that killed me

This sounds like a snippet from a group text between me, Woolley and Joey when we're kvetching about opposing third string QBs

 

[DoogDawg]

I think most would agree that our defense isn't bad, it's just not good. It's just average...and that isn't good enough.

We put up with it because we have an elite offense and are riding a 17 game win streak. The D also shows streaks of being good- but then has like 12 missed tackles on a simple bubble screen.

If our offense wasn't so good, our D would've lost us like four or five games this year alone and then we'd be wanting to tarmac the entire D staff.

I'm good going in a new direction on D in the off-season. The D staff isn't elite and will hold us back in future years.

 

[ExtraChrisB]

The good news is Oregon State’s defense isn’t good either. They force a lot more turnovers than we do, but if we can avoid those we should be fine. More concerned with their offense of fast midget receivers and bully running backs.

 

[SkipBoyd]

I think most would agree that our defense isn't bad, it's just not good. It's just average...and that isn't good enough.

We put up with it because we have an elite offense and are riding a 17 game win streak. The D also shows streaks of being good- but then has like 12 missed tackles on a simple bubble screen.

If our offense wasn't so good, our D would've lost us like four or five games this year alone and then we'd be wanting to tarmac the entire D staff.

I'm good going in a new direction on D in the off-season. The D staff isn't elite and will hold us back in future years.

I'd say they are solidly below average. There is rarely any push on the pocket and when there is the ends are outrun; line backers are out of position and slow (watch how many times a back passes one of them and they reach one arm out like an injun trying to count coup); the defensive backfield shows some promise but most of the time they are out of position and couldn't tackle their own grandmothers (who are 32 years old, by the way) in a phone booth; and E. Jackson.

 

[dnc]

I think most would agree that our defense isn't bad, it's just not good. It's just average...and that isn't good enough.

We put up with it because we have an elite offense and are riding a 17 game win streak. The D also shows streaks of being good- but then has like 12 missed tackles on a simple bubble screen.

If our offense wasn't so good, our D would've lost us like four or five games this year alone and then we'd be wanting to tarmac the entire D staff.

I'm good going in a new direction on D in the off-season. The D staff isn't elite and will hold us back in future years.

I'd say they are solidly below average. There is rarely any push on the pocket and when there is the ends are outrun; line backers are out of position and slow (watch how many times a back passes one of them and they reach one arm out like an injun trying to count coup); the defensive backfield shows some promise but most of the time they are out of position and couldn't tackle their own grandmothers (who are 32 years old, by the way) in a phone booth; and E. Jackson.

It's below average historically but not below average for 2023.

The game has changed, all of the rules favor the offense. Dominating defense isn't really a thing unless you're in the B1G where the offenses are stuck in 1985.

It *feels* like a below average defense because we(?)re old.

 

[TheHB]

I think most would agree that our defense isn't bad, it's just not good. It's just average...and that isn't good enough.

We put up with it because we have an elite offense and are riding a 17 game win streak. The D also shows streaks of being good- but then has like 12 missed tackles on a simple bubble screen.

If our offense wasn't so good, our D would've lost us like four or five games this year alone and then we'd be wanting to tarmac the entire D staff.

I'm good going in a new direction on D in the off-season. The D staff isn't elite and will hold us back in future years.

I'd say they are solidly below average. There is rarely any push on the pocket and when there is the ends are outrun; line backers are out of position and slow (watch how many times a back passes one of them and they reach one arm out like an injun trying to count coup); the defensive backfield shows some promise but most of the time they are out of position and couldn't tackle their own grandmothers (who are 32 years old, by the way) in a phone booth; and E. Jackson.

It's below average historically but not below average for 2023.

The game has changed, all of the rules favor the offense. Dominating defense isn't really a thing unless you're in the B1G where the offenses are stuck in 1985.

It *feels* like a below average defense because we(?)re old.

Yep. Which is why the top four teams in this particular metric are all B1G teams.

 

[Canadawg]

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

 

[Kingdome_Urinals]

Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.

The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.

The most brutal aspect of the defense is the lack of sideline to sideline speed amongst the linebackers.

 

[Canadawg]

Having Tuli back will solve some interior issues. Healthiest the team has been since Michigan State?

 

[DawgDaze71]

Having Tuli back will solve some interior issues. Healthiest the team has been since Michigan State?

I'd say so if KamFabs ankle finally stops bothering him. Even if we don't put it all together like us fans want we can still beat Oregon State. We really want a statement game, 4th quarter where the game really isn't in question.

I think we are comfortable knowing we could probably beat Washington State by just pulverizing them with DJ and crew on the ground.