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I don't get how 8-5 wasn't that bad but 3-1 was horrible. UW has been on the upside of mediocre since the USC game in 2016. But still mediocre.

He still has to perform no matter how many excuses I appear to be making for him. Call it context or the crux of the discussion going on here while we wait to lose to Michigan and all agree again that Coach fill in the blank needs to be fired.
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8-5 being unacceptable and losing to Homeless Furd (and trying really hard to lose to Beavis and Ute) being unacceptable are not mutually exclusive. Both of these efforts were huge failures in my opinion.

Everyone is right that the only path forward that isn't depressing is winning and regaining confidence in the program, but while some think it will happen Because Roster, I'm saying there is plenty of evidence suggesting it won't. Regardless of roster and scheduling advantages.
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Unfortunately I agree on the roster. Results haven't met the expectations
 
Is he really that bad? Aside from Jen screwing you over you guys prob would have won the pac
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Agree with this. I'm mostly with Race but I fall for the TBS/Branding shit.

But what's gone completely unsaid on this site is that after 2019 most of the good seniors/juniors dipped after the Vegas bowl.

After 2020 Jimmy got all of his guys to stay.

We're a veteran team this year. Fuck ESPN and the limp dick Pac media, there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.
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Lets hope so...

The 2019 team was pretty upper class heavy... issue was the majority of them had zilch for talent, lacked prototypical athletic traits and seemingly didn't care whether they won or lost.

Kyler Manu, Brandon Wellington, Andre Bashitti and many more come to mind.
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Didn't care whether they won or lost?

Bachellia was a good role player, Fuller was a #3-4 receiver in 2018. They were forced into primary roles because modern college football passed Pete by. The high level guys he quit over having to recruit should have been in those primary roles. What a fucked up year.
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I never want to hear Beccellia and good in the same sentence ever again, you hear me?
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He had critical chunk plays in 2018 down the stretch. He worked well with Browning's shitty little rainbows.

Featuring him and Fuller, especially treating Fuller like an all American in the gameplan against Stanford, is still the most head scratching decision of the Pete era. Bush and Pete were just brutal those two years.

And then he wanted to start Haener in 2019 with that setup. Fucking finger painting an offensive scheme.
 
Every time I start dooging, I remember JohnDon is still our OC. We’re not winning 10 games with this shit ass scheme.
 
I don't get how 8-5 wasn't that bad but 3-1 was horrible. UW has been on the upside of mediocre since the USC game in 2016. But still mediocre.

He still has to perform no matter how many excuses I appear to be making for him. Call it context or the crux of the discussion going on here while we wait to lose to Michigan and all agree again that Coach fill in the blank needs to be fired.
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8-5 being unacceptable and losing to Homeless Furd (and trying really hard to lose to Beavis and Ute) being unacceptable are not mutually exclusive. Both of these efforts were huge failures in my opinion.

Everyone is right that the only path forward that isn't depressing is winning and regaining confidence in the program, but while some think it will happen Because Roster, I'm saying there is plenty of evidence suggesting it won't. Regardless of roster and scheduling advantages.
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I am completely in this camp. Every team in the Pac this year is experienced as the vast majority of their players came back after 2020.

Conventional wisdom was we were one of the most talented teams in the Pac-12 and at home yet were Kyle Wittingham deciding for some reason to throw a pass in the 2nd half, allowing us to bet back in the game, and a phantom 4th down spot against the Beavs from being down with 8 minutes left in the 4th from being 1-3.

Proof will be on field this year, but we have alot of prove it talent that needs to take the next step (DL/Safety/TE/Overall OL play/LB).

Jimmy better hope it happens and gets a recruiting bump off it, or we are going to be a Jag team in a Jag conference really really soon.

 
2020 has to be the most embarrassing year ever right? Rooting for your rivals to rep the north when you actually won?
 
2020 has to be the most embarrassing year ever right? Rooting for your rivals to rep the north when you actually won?
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I still can't fathom what occurred there
 
2020 has to be the most embarrassing year ever right? Rooting for your rivals to rep the north when you actually won?
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It’s all relative. CUOG have won the Pac TWICE since ASU’s last run for the roses.
 
I’m middle of the road on Jimmy, same as I was for Petersen. Reasons to like them, reasons to dislike them. I’ll never be disappointed.
 
Is he really that bad? Aside from Jen screwing you over you guys prob would have won the pac
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Petersen takes a lot of crap, but he did pretty well overall. He's just a good coach, not an elite one, and 2019 was pathetic.

I haven't followed the Doogs much since the Plandemic outside of Saturdays, but I just have a bad feeling about Jimmy. Everyone sez the talent is there so he ought to be able to control the North. I think Mario got lucky that one year and isn't too bright. The Pac 12 is pretty weak right now. If he's a great coach, he'll figure out a way to win it.
 
Is he really that bad? Aside from Jen screwing you over you guys prob would have won the pac
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Petersen takes a lot of crap, but he did pretty well overall. He's just a good coach, not an elite one, and 2019 was pathetic.

I haven't followed the Doogs much since the Plandemic outside of Saturdays, but I just have a bad feeling about Jimmy. Everyone sez the talent is there so he ought to be able to control the North. I think Mario got lucky that one year and isn't too bright. The Pac 12 is pretty weak right now. If he's a great coach, he'll figure out a way to win it.
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Mario got lucky last year or the year before that?
 
...there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.
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Narrator: They won't...

I'm going to again disagree with everyone about last year's games "not counting." It was football. The better prepared teams with the better gameplans won. I judge a coach based off how well their team performs relative to the talent on hand. That was a for-win roster that struggled HARD to win three. They were real football games that really counted, and it was at best a C- grade from the staff. To me, THAT'S the disturbing trend.

If winning 11 games, leading to improved recruiting, is your path to optimism, you weren't watching in 2020, when actual, honest to god football was being played. I agree this is probably the most complete overall roster in the conference (linebacker depth aside), which is why I'm going to be so pissed when they lose four or five games.
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I‘d say 50-50 agree/disagree. Covid season games counted, but they also weren’t indicative of what teams and coaching staffs are capable of.

Both Washington and Oregon had new OCs that were neutered by the lack of install. Rosters were out of shape because the conference didn’t care enough, teams were playing with guys they didn’t want to play. Cale Millen is a real team player, but I would have preferred to not see him being forced to make special team tackles in the conference championship game.

There’s only so much coaching can do when you don’t have time or players to coach. 2020 gave us some answers but it raised just as many questions.
 
The people who like Petersen the most tend to not like the Jimmy hire the most

The people who don't like Petersen the most tend to like the Jimmy hire
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That is me. I dislike Petersen, and thus far like Jimmy. Of course that’s me speaking from an Oregon perspective. I actually think toothy is a good dude who just couldn’t take the caring anymore, while Lake seems like all hat and no cattle.
 
The people who like Petersen the most tend to not like the Jimmy hire the most

The people who don't like Petersen the most tend to like the Jimmy hire
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That is me. I dislike Petersen, and thus far like Jimmy. Of course that’s me speaking from an Oregon perspective. I actually think toothy is a good dude who just couldn’t take the caring anymore, while Lake seems like all hat and no cattle.
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You disliked a rival coach that gifted you two wins when you were clearly going to lose?

Weird.
 
...there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.
Click to expand...

Narrator: They won't...

I'm going to again disagree with everyone about last year's games "not counting." It was football. The better prepared teams with the better gameplans won. I judge a coach based off how well their team performs relative to the talent on hand. That was a for-win roster that struggled HARD to win three. They were real football games that really counted, and it was at best a C- grade from the staff. To me, THAT'S the disturbing trend.

If winning 11 games, leading to improved recruiting, is your path to optimism, you weren't watching in 2020, when actual, honest to god football was being played. I agree this is probably the most complete overall roster in the conference (linebacker depth aside), which is why I'm going to be so pissed when they lose four or five games.
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I‘d say 50-50 agree/disagree. Covid season games counted, but they also weren’t indicative of what teams and coaching staffs are capable of.

Both Washington and Oregon had new OCs that were neutered by the lack of install. Rosters were out of shape because the conference didn’t care enough, teams were playing with guys they didn’t want to play. Cale Millen is a real team player, but I would have preferred to not see him being forced to make special team tackles in the conference championship game.

There’s only so much coaching can do when you don’t have time or players to coach. 2020 gave us some answers but it raised just as many questions.
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My understanding is that UW, at least, got a full allotment of spring and fall practices in. Is this not the case? COVID is such a weird excuse. The Huskies were without two players, neither of whom were projected on the two deep. They had the full team on hand, and they practiced. If the players weren't held accountable for conditioning because COVID, that's a knock on the staff.

The Huskies played at full strength except for missing Ryan Bowman against Stanford. As president of the Ryan Bowman fan club, I'm comfortable saying that if missing Ryan Bowman is the difference between a win and a loss against a homeless team, your skeaad has problems, and you need to open to fuckin' eyes.
 
The people who like Petersen the most tend to not like the Jimmy hire the most

The people who don't like Petersen the most tend to like the Jimmy hire
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That is me. I dislike Petersen, and thus far like Jimmy. Of course that’s me speaking from an Oregon perspective. I actually think toothy is a good dude who just couldn’t take the caring anymore, while Lake seems like all hat and no cattle.
Click to expand...

You disliked a rival coach that gifted you two wins when you were clearly going to lose?

Weird.
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That’s because it looks all downhill right now for UW from our vantage point.
 
...there's no excuse for Washington not to roll.
Click to expand...

Narrator: They won't...

I'm going to again disagree with everyone about last year's games "not counting." It was football. The better prepared teams with the better gameplans won. I judge a coach based off how well their team performs relative to the talent on hand. That was a for-win roster that struggled HARD to win three. They were real football games that really counted, and it was at best a C- grade from the staff. To me, THAT'S the disturbing trend.

If winning 11 games, leading to improved recruiting, is your path to optimism, you weren't watching in 2020, when actual, honest to god football was being played. I agree this is probably the most complete overall roster in the conference (linebacker depth aside), which is why I'm going to be so pissed when they lose four or five games.
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I‘d say 50-50 agree/disagree. Covid season games counted, but they also weren’t indicative of what teams and coaching staffs are capable of.

Both Washington and Oregon had new OCs that were neutered by the lack of install. Rosters were out of shape because the conference didn’t care enough, teams were playing with guys they didn’t want to play. Cale Millen is a real team player, but I would have preferred to not see him being forced to make special team tackles in the conference championship game.

There’s only so much coaching can do when you don’t have time or players to coach. 2020 gave us some answers but it raised just as many questions.
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My understanding is that UW, at least, got a full allotment of spring and fall practices in. Is this not the case? COVID is such a weird excuse. The Huskies were without two players, neither of whom were projected on the two deep. They had the full team on hand, and they practiced. If the players weren't held accountable for conditioning because COVID, that's a knock on the staff.

The Huskies played at full strength except for missing Ryan Bowman against Stanford. As president of the Ryan Bowman fan club, I'm comfortable saying that if missing Ryan Bowman is the difference between a win and a loss against a homeless team, your skeaad has problems, and you need to open to fuckin' eyes.
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Oregon got 3/15 spring practices and kids were off campus for all of the offseason schedule except a week of voluntary summer workouts. I have to think it was similar for UW.

Fall camp was abbreviated too. Oregon missed 1/3 scrimmages due to a false positive covid test. It was a horrible time to install a new offense.
 
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The people who like Petersen the most tend to not like the Jimmy hire the most

The people who don't like Petersen the most tend to like the Jimmy hire
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That is me. I dislike Petersen, and thus far like Jimmy. Of course that’s me speaking from an Oregon perspective. I actually think toothy is a good dude who just couldn’t take the caring anymore, while Lake seems like all hat and no cattle.
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You disliked a rival coach that gifted you two wins when you were clearly going to lose?

Weird.
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That’s because it looks all downhill right now for UW from our vantage point.
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Jesus Christ. What a response. Sober up loser.

Losses to Beavlet and Cal. Facts.
 
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Jimmy is fine. He will perform better than Sark, will always have a defense you can count on, recruit just good enough to make it interesting, win his share of offseason nattys, challenge for the Northwest Championship most years, beat Cuog most years and look good boating to work with a latte in hand.
 
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