DeBoer HC/Tedford OC

[digits]

This is what the twatterverse tea leaves are saying.

Fresno fan here. Don't want to rule this out, but it doesn't look ideal on the surface. I guess it all depends on Tedford's health situation.

For DeBoer, he's had success but has a relatively thin resume for a good P5 school. If the fans turn on him, won't there be pressure to hand the keys to Tedford?

No, hopefully we would fire both and get a new coach. Eventually we would get a new one. It’s all a gamble. Campbell would be a gamble too and a more costly one if it didn’t work out.

Sounds healthy. lol.

What are your thoughts on him and the current staff he has?

DeBoer? I'm not an expert, but he's had continued success at every level he's coached at. Just look Indiana's drop off this year. Big question mark is recruiting. It's just very different at the P5 level and he hasn't had time to prove he can recruit and develop talent at Fresno, IMO. That's not to say he can't.

He's 9-3, but most Fresno fans would be reminded that Tim DeRuyter was 9-4 in his first season here before things gradually fell apart (bad recruiter, couldn't develop talent; e.g. ignored Josh Allen when he was desperate to play for Fresno).

I just know Tedford was pretty much loved by the team, and I think he was a big draw for the kids that committed over PAC offers.

There are certain coaches on the staff the fans would want to keep. Proven, dependable coaches and those seen to have big upside (Kirby Moore). His OC is seen as solid, but his play calling has been questioned at times. Most fans would be content to see him go.

That last line is what scares me the most. I have heard most Fresno State fans not be bothered by losing him and are surprised that Washington is even going after him.

Yep, not a huge fan myself. I think the system is good, Haener has developed into a very good QB, but the play calling has been criticized at times. I don't think he's ready to be your OC.

Reminds me when USC hired Sark and we all laughed. They all hyped up him being an offensive genius and we saw how that played out.

WTF? Where are you seeing that Fresno fans want him gone and why would they? He's improved their program both as an offensive coordinator and HC. Everything I've read is their fans are bummed, but understand he's most likely gone because he's a good coach.

 

[FSDogs1]

This is what the twatterverse tea leaves are saying.

Fresno fan here. Don't want to rule this out, but it doesn't look ideal on the surface. I guess it all depends on Tedford's health situation.

For DeBoer, he's had success but has a relatively thin resume for a good P5 school. If the fans turn on him, won't there be pressure to hand the keys to Tedford?

No, hopefully we would fire both and get a new coach. Eventually we would get a new one. It’s all a gamble. Campbell would be a gamble too and a more costly one if it didn’t work out.

Sounds healthy. lol.

What are your thoughts on him and the current staff he has?

DeBoer? I'm not an expert, but he's had continued success at every level he's coached at. Just look Indiana's drop off this year. Big question mark is recruiting. It's just very different at the P5 level and he hasn't had time to prove he can recruit and develop talent at Fresno, IMO. That's not to say he can't.

He's 9-3, but most Fresno fans would be reminded that Tim DeRuyter was 9-4 in his first season here before things gradually fell apart (bad recruiter, couldn't develop talent; e.g. ignored Josh Allen when he was desperate to play for Fresno).

I just know Tedford was pretty much loved by the team, and I think he was a big draw for the kids that committed over PAC offers.

There are certain coaches on the staff the fans would want to keep. Proven, dependable coaches and those seen to have big upside (Kirby Moore). His OC is seen as solid, but his play calling has been questioned at times. Most fans would be content to see him go.

That last line is what scares me the most. I have heard most Fresno State fans not be bothered by losing him and are surprised that Washington is even going after him.

I guess fresneck doesn't like beating UCLA and hanging with a team headed to Vegas then.

Fresneck beats historically bad UCLA pretty consistently.

As long as we remain a G5 team with G5 resources, I will take repeated wins away against the PAC.

You guys should schedule us again. Would be a nice story when you hire DeBoer.

 

[HFNY]

https://twitter.com/DogsBarstool/status/1465104993371897863

My guess is then Kalen DeBoer to UW, Ryan Grubb to Fresno State HC, and Tedford to Fresno State OC.

Not sure who DeBoer would hire as OC then.

 

[MikeDamone]

So his staff will include a 60-year-old coach with health problems who won't recruit. And I'm sure he will be given a salary of 800k-1 million. Ugh

We don’t need the OC to be our best recruiter. Pump up Aaron Rodgers to these kids. I’m not worried about DeBoer or Tedford being able to recruit quality QB’s.

he made haener way fucking better than we did

The bar was low

 

[sonics1993]

This is what the twatterverse tea leaves are saying.

Fresno fan here. Don't want to rule this out, but it doesn't look ideal on the surface. I guess it all depends on Tedford's health situation.

For DeBoer, he's had success but has a relatively thin resume for a good P5 school. If the fans turn on him, won't there be pressure to hand the keys to Tedford?

No, hopefully we would fire both and get a new coach. Eventually we would get a new one. It’s all a gamble. Campbell would be a gamble too and a more costly one if it didn’t work out.

Sounds healthy. lol.

What are your thoughts on him and the current staff he has?

DeBoer? I'm not an expert, but he's had continued success at every level he's coached at. Just look Indiana's drop off this year. Big question mark is recruiting. It's just very different at the P5 level and he hasn't had time to prove he can recruit and develop talent at Fresno, IMO. That's not to say he can't.

He's 9-3, but most Fresno fans would be reminded that Tim DeRuyter was 9-4 in his first season here before things gradually fell apart (bad recruiter, couldn't develop talent; e.g. ignored Josh Allen when he was desperate to play for Fresno).

I just know Tedford was pretty much loved by the team, and I think he was a big draw for the kids that committed over PAC offers.

There are certain coaches on the staff the fans would want to keep. Proven, dependable coaches and those seen to have big upside (Kirby Moore). His OC is seen as solid, but his play calling has been questioned at times. Most fans would be content to see him go.

That last line is what scares me the most. I have heard most Fresno State fans not be bothered by losing him and are surprised that Washington is even going after him.

Yep, not a huge fan myself. I think the system is good, Haener has developed into a very good QB, but the play calling has been criticized at times. I don't think he's ready to be your OC.

Reminds me when USC hired Sark and we all laughed. They all hyped up him being an offensive genius and we saw how that played out.

WTF? Where are you seeing that Fresno fans want him gone and why would they? He's improved their program both as an offensive coordinator and HC. Everything I've read is their fans are bummed, but understand he's most likely gone because he's a good coach.

247 Fresno Board. A lot of them believed he wasn't even a candidate for the job because they thought Washington would get someone better.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

I hate almost everyone we hire. I don't hate DeBoner. In fact, I've coined the term DeBoner Donor to show my affection for him. It makes no sense, and I have nothing to base this off of, but I just think he is going to be good.

I like guys who win at every level they participate in, and he has. I used to be in a squadron with tons of high performers. I mean elite performers. The one consistent thing about top flight aviators is that they were good at everything their entire life. They won to get a scholarship, then won to get to flight school, they won again to select jets, then they won again to actually get their wings. My life experience is that high performing winners typically keep winning whether it's running companies, coaching football, or landing on aircraft carriers. Winners win. That's been the HHB motto for like 2 decades.

Kalen DeBoner: 79-9

I'll take my chances. If he sucks we will know in 2-3 years and we can shitcan him and try again.

ATBS, I'll probably hate him by spring ball. Such is the mystery of the spirits.

You are bringing me around but atbs I hate him until I don't.

 

[haie]

This is what the twatterverse tea leaves are saying.

Fresno fan here. Don't want to rule this out, but it doesn't look ideal on the surface. I guess it all depends on Tedford's health situation.

For DeBoer, he's had success but has a relatively thin resume for a good P5 school. If the fans turn on him, won't there be pressure to hand the keys to Tedford?

No, hopefully we would fire both and get a new coach. Eventually we would get a new one. It’s all a gamble. Campbell would be a gamble too and a more costly one if it didn’t work out.

Sounds healthy. lol.

What are your thoughts on him and the current staff he has?

DeBoer? I'm not an expert, but he's had continued success at every level he's coached at. Just look Indiana's drop off this year. Big question mark is recruiting. It's just very different at the P5 level and he hasn't had time to prove he can recruit and develop talent at Fresno, IMO. That's not to say he can't.

He's 9-3, but most Fresno fans would be reminded that Tim DeRuyter was 9-4 in his first season here before things gradually fell apart (bad recruiter, couldn't develop talent; e.g. ignored Josh Allen when he was desperate to play for Fresno).

I just know Tedford was pretty much loved by the team, and I think he was a big draw for the kids that committed over PAC offers.

There are certain coaches on the staff the fans would want to keep. Proven, dependable coaches and those seen to have big upside (Kirby Moore). His OC is seen as solid, but his play calling has been questioned at times. Most fans would be content to see him go.

That last line is what scares me the most. I have heard most Fresno State fans not be bothered by losing him and are surprised that Washington is even going after him.

I guess fresneck doesn't like beating UCLA and hanging with a team headed to Vegas then.

Fresneck beats historically bad UCLA pretty consistently.

As long as we remain a G5 team with G5 resources, I will take repeated wins away against the PAC.

You guys should schedule us again. Would be a nice story when you hire DeBoer.

I'd prefer it if the Pac would stop scheduling the mountain west since it's already bad enough having Utah as a member.

 

[digits]

https://twitter.com/DogsBarstool/status/1465104993371897863

My guess is then Kalen DeBoer to UW, Ryan Grubb to Fresno State HC[/b], and Tedford to Fresno State OC.

Not sure who DeBoer would hire as OC then.

Hope not, everything I've read says bringing Ryan Grubb with him is imperative.

 

[HFNY]

This is what the twatterverse tea leaves are saying.

Fresno fan here. Don't want to rule this out, but it doesn't look ideal on the surface. I guess it all depends on Tedford's health situation.

For DeBoer, he's had success but has a relatively thin resume for a good P5 school. If the fans turn on him, won't there be pressure to hand the keys to Tedford?

No, hopefully we would fire both and get a new coach. Eventually we would get a new one. It’s all a gamble. Campbell would be a gamble too and a more costly one if it didn’t work out.

Sounds healthy. lol.

What are your thoughts on him and the current staff he has?

DeBoer? I'm not an expert, but he's had continued success at every level he's coached at. Just look Indiana's drop off this year. Big question mark is recruiting. It's just very different at the P5 level and he hasn't had time to prove he can recruit and develop talent at Fresno, IMO. That's not to say he can't.

He's 9-3, but most Fresno fans would be reminded that Tim DeRuyter was 9-4 in his first season here before things gradually fell apart (bad recruiter, couldn't develop talent; e.g. ignored Josh Allen when he was desperate to play for Fresno).

I just know Tedford was pretty much loved by the team, and I think he was a big draw for the kids that committed over PAC offers.

There are certain coaches on the staff the fans would want to keep. Proven, dependable coaches and those seen to have big upside (Kirby Moore). His OC is seen as solid, but his play calling has been questioned at times. Most fans would be content to see him go.

That last line is what scares me the most. I have heard most Fresno State fans not be bothered by losing him and are surprised that Washington is even going after him.

Yep, not a huge fan myself. I think the system is good, Haener has developed into a very good QB, but the play calling has been criticized at times. I don't think he's ready to be your OC.

Reminds me when USC hired Sark and we all laughed. They all hyped up him being an offensive genius and we saw how that played out.

WTF? Where are you seeing that Fresno fans want him gone and why would they? He's improved their program both as an offensive coordinator and HC. Everything I've read is their fans are bummed, but understand he's most likely gone because he's a good coach.

247 Fresno Board. A lot of them believed he wasn't even a candidate for the job because they thought Washington would get someone better.

I read this as their fans *not* being happy their coach is leaving them (somewhat similar to UW fan's take on Petersen).

 

[MikeDamone]

I have all the screen shots I need

Looks like you're outnumbered on this one

I often am. Then I always turn out right.

According to you, when a handful of people have a different opinion than yourself, you're supposed to fold like a lawn chair and follow along.

That’s because I’m always right.

The dooging here over deboner is nauseating. Don’t you people learn? Ever. USC goes big. We fuck around in the shallow end of the pool. But deboner “gets it” or some shit. Up and cummmer He made Heaner good!

This site and the HHB was founded on calling out this type of bullshit. He is fucking 7-5 and didn’t even win his shitty conference. What the fuck?

 

[Sources]

I hate almost everyone we hire. I don't hate DeBoner. In fact, I've coined the term DeBoner Donor to show my affection for him. It makes no sense, and I have nothing to base this off of, but I just think he is going to be good.

I like guys who win at every level they participate in, and he has. I used to be in a squadron with tons of high performers. I mean elite performers. The one consistent thing about top flight aviators is that they were good at everything their entire life. They won to get a scholarship, then won to get to flight school, they won again to select jets, then they won again to actually get their wings. My life experience is that high performing winners typically keep winning whether it's running companies, coaching football, or landing on aircraft carriers. Winners win. That's been the HHB motto for like 2 decades.

Kalen DeBoner: 79-9

I'll take my chances. If he sucks we will know in 2-3 years and we can shitcan him and try again.

ATBS, I'll probably hate him by spring ball. Such is the mystery of the spirits.

The one thing that sells me on KD is the level of consistency required to go 79-9. Great teams win every week by virtue of culture and process implemented by the head coach. As you mentioned, winners win regardless of circumstance

 

[MikeDamone]

@backthepack gets it.

 

[Doogles]

@sonics1993 I don’t know even the ins and outs of the program like you do. It’s not even close. I know next to nothing about anything inside the program. I am fully aware how important recruiting is, but it’s not the end all be all like you believe.

Totally agree it's not everything, but I have seen how these Mountain West coaches operate when they get to the Pac-12, and they try to do the same thing they did in the mountain west, which is why most fail. I'm being an asshole and should LIPO. His staff hirings should tell me a lot, but I was hoping for a more proven coach to be hired. To me, this is just as big of a gamble as hiring Jimmy.[/b]

I feel it necessary to clarify that my enthusiasm for Deboer includes awareness of the huge amounts of risk.

All hires are crap shoots to some degree, if we can't land a Stoops, Riley, Saban, Belichek type I'll take the guy with the highest ceiling every time.

Deboer has won at an outlier level and seems to know how to coach the most important position in the game. Just because he doesn't know the secret handshake to get into the old boys club doesn't mean he can't continue to ball.

Campbell has a mediocre resume, he would most likely be a likeable Sark that would be hard to fire after going 8-5 4 years in a row.

Let's let it rip and see what happens.

 

[bananasnblondes]

I'm interested to see who he gets as a DC. I'm prepared to be disappointed though.

 

[MikeDamone]

If UW had Haener-level QB play, it’s probably playing Utah this week.

That would also require linemen who can block and receivers who can catch. Which was as much of a problem as the QB play.

 

[RaceBannon]

I have all the screen shots I need

Looks like you're outnumbered on this one

I often am. Then I always turn out right.

According to you, when a handful of people have a different opinion than yourself, you're supposed to fold like a lawn chair and follow along.

That’s because I’m always right.

The dooging here over deboner is nauseating. Don’t you people learn? Ever. USC goes big. We fuck around in the shallow end of the pool. But deboner “gets it” or some shit. Up and cummmer He made Heaner good!

This site and the HHB was founded on calling out this type of bullshit. He is fucking 7-5 and didn’t even win his shitty conference. What the fuck?

UW went cheap

Fans are banking on assistant coaches

USC rubbed their balls in our face

15 years of work here wasted

 

[FSDogs1]

https://twitter.com/DogsBarstool/status/1465104993371897863

My guess is then Kalen DeBoer to UW, Ryan Grubb to Fresno State HC[/b], and Tedford to Fresno State OC.

Not sure who DeBoer would hire as OC then.

Hope not, everything I've read says bringing Ryan Grubb with him is imperative.

Flip Tedford and Grubb. I think that's possible.

 

[MikeDamone]

I have all the screen shots I need

Looks like you're outnumbered on this one

I often am. Then I always turn out right.

According to you, when a handful of people have a different opinion than yourself, you're supposed to fold like a lawn chair and follow along.

That’s because I’m always right.

The dooging here over deboner is nauseating. Don’t you people learn? Ever. USC goes big. We fuck around in the shallow end of the pool. But deboner “gets it” or some shit. Up and cummmer He made Heaner good!

This site and the HHB was founded on calling out this type of bullshit. He is fucking 7-5 and didn’t even win his shitty conference. What the fuck?

UW went cheap

Fans are banking on assistant coaches

USC rubbed their balls in our face

15 years of work here wasted

I was banned on doogman for the same take I had on sark. Fuck all of you except Race and BTP..

Tedford! Fuck off. JFC

 

[Sources]

If UW had Haener-level QB play, it’s probably playing Utah this week.

That would also require linemen who can block and receivers who can catch. Which was as much of a problem as the QB play.

Implementing better blocking schemes and routes won't fix everything, but should go a long way to helping with that. Even Montana was getting penetration / had our guys blanketed.

 

[FSDogs1]

This is what the twatterverse tea leaves are saying.

Fresno fan here. Don't want to rule this out, but it doesn't look ideal on the surface. I guess it all depends on Tedford's health situation.

For DeBoer, he's had success but has a relatively thin resume for a good P5 school. If the fans turn on him, won't there be pressure to hand the keys to Tedford?

No, hopefully we would fire both and get a new coach. Eventually we would get a new one. It’s all a gamble. Campbell would be a gamble too and a more costly one if it didn’t work out.

Sounds healthy. lol.

What are your thoughts on him and the current staff he has?

DeBoer? I'm not an expert, but he's had continued success at every level he's coached at. Just look Indiana's drop off this year. Big question mark is recruiting. It's just very different at the P5 level and he hasn't had time to prove he can recruit and develop talent at Fresno, IMO. That's not to say he can't.

He's 9-3, but most Fresno fans would be reminded that Tim DeRuyter was 9-4 in his first season here before things gradually fell apart (bad recruiter, couldn't develop talent; e.g. ignored Josh Allen when he was desperate to play for Fresno).

I just know Tedford was pretty much loved by the team, and I think he was a big draw for the kids that committed over PAC offers.

There are certain coaches on the staff the fans would want to keep. Proven, dependable coaches and those seen to have big upside (Kirby Moore). His OC is seen as solid, but his play calling has been questioned at times. Most fans would be content to see him go.

That last line is what scares me the most. I have heard most Fresno State fans not be bothered by losing him and are surprised that Washington is even going after him.

Yep, not a huge fan myself. I think the system is good, Haener has developed into a very good QB, but the play calling has been criticized at times. I don't think he's ready to be your OC.

Reminds me when USC hired Sark and we all laughed. They all hyped up him being an offensive genius and we saw how that played out.

WTF? Where are you seeing that Fresno fans want him gone and why would they? He's improved their program both as an offensive coordinator and HC. Everything I've read is their fans are bummed, but understand he's most likely gone because he's a good coach.

247 Fresno Board. A lot of them believed he wasn't even a candidate for the job because they thought Washington would get someone better.

I read this as their fans *not* being happy their coach is leaving them (somewhat similar to UW fan's take on Petersen).

It's combo of being "big timed" and fans loving Tedford. 40/60.