DDY & Coker

[Tequilla]

For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.

I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.

And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.

I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.

You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.

No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.

I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...

Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.

I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.

You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street

Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions

Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.

Do better = yes

Turn things upside down = no

 

[CokeGreaterThanPepsi]

For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.

I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.

And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.

I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.

You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.

No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.

I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...

Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.

I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.

You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street

Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions

Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.

Do better = yes

Turn things upside down = no

I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.

I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this.

 

[Tequilla]

For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.

I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.

And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.

I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.

You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.

No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.

I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...

Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.

I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.

You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street

Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions

Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.

Do better = yes

Turn things upside down = no

I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.

I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this.

That’s total BS ... when you also assume that Lake likely leaves that’s turning over over half of the staff of a team that will likely win 10 or 11 games that had a massive rash of key injuries and was stymied by the lack of QB growth (which Babushka will pay for on top of his lack of offensive identity) and piss poor FG kicking.

Significant change usually results in short-term chaos and underperformance.

A more measured approach is required here as outside of Smith and Malloe (massive recruiting fails) nobody else has done anything to warrant losing their job over.

It’s easy to say people should be fired ... but randomly just throwing out that people should without deserved reasons is beyond irresponsible.

 

[Swaye]

It's weird seeing Coker and Teq fight. I'm slightly aroused.

 

[CokeGreaterThanPepsi]

For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.

I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.

And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.

I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.

You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.

No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.

I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...

Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.

I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.

You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street

Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions

Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.

Do better = yes

Turn things upside down = no

I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.

I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this.

That’s total BS ... when you also assume that Lake likely leaves that’s turning over over half of the staff of a team that will likely win 10 or 11 games that had a massive rash of key injuries and was stymied by the lack of QB growth (which Babushka will pay for on top of his lack of offensive identity) and piss poor FG kicking.

Significant change usually results in short-term chaos and underperformance.

A more measured approach is required here as outside of Smith and Malloe (massive recruiting fails) nobody else has done anything to warrant losing their job over.

It’s easy to say people should be fired ... but randomly just throwing out that people should without deserved reasons is beyond irresponsible.

I don’t have the time to list all the misses Gregory has had in recruiting.

You said earlier “could we do better in recruiting? Yes.”

THEN WHY IS IT SO OUTRAGEOUS TO WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO DO BETTER? It makes no fucking sense man.

 

[Tequilla]

For me personally I’d fire: Smith, Malloe, Gregory, and Paopao (don’t really care one way or the other on Paopao though), and the 5th coach would be the coach we need to hire anyways for the 10th spot.

I just don’t see Gregory doing anywhere near enough on the recruiting front to elevate us, that’s all.

And concerning Sirmon, I have no desire for him to be our DC ever. But I’d love to have him on staff recruiting and coaching LB’s or DL depending on what position we need to fill.

I just want coaches that are good at both coaching and recruiting. We just don’t have guys connecting on the recruiting front, that’s my biggest issue currently.

You act like recruiting has been bad ... we are getting arguably as good of recruiting classes that we have ever had. Can it be better ... always. But it’s far from broken.

No arguments on Babushka and Malloe for reasons well documented.

I have no compelling reason for/against Paopao ... he’s roughly done what he should do and falls in Bonerpopper territory to me (Boner better tho) ...

Gregory is a good coach both for LBs and Special Teams ... don’t make the mistake of devaluing good coaching. Could we use a 10th coach like Sirmon that has a LB background that is a recruiting upgrade? Sure.

I can look at Lubick and see solid recruiting ... can I see solid coaching yet? The WRs may be the most disappointing positional group on the team.

You also have to be looking at what messages you are sending to your staff as well in any changes ... if you aspire to have stability you also have to promote it ... it’s a 2 way street

Firing 4+ coaches is crazy to me ... it’s not broken to that degree ... calling for that kind of turnover is easy when you don’t have to deal with the reprocussions

Its not good enough for me, I believe we can do better.

Do better = yes

Turn things upside down = no

I think firing two more coaches outside of the two everyone wants fired does not equal turning things upside down.

I believe in Pete, I think he could somehow manage to handle this.

That’s total BS ... when you also assume that Lake likely leaves that’s turning over over half of the staff of a team that will likely win 10 or 11 games that had a massive rash of key injuries and was stymied by the lack of QB growth (which Babushka will pay for on top of his lack of offensive identity) and piss poor FG kicking.

Significant change usually results in short-term chaos and underperformance.

A more measured approach is required here as outside of Smith and Malloe (massive recruiting fails) nobody else has done anything to warrant losing their job over.

It’s easy to say people should be fired ... but randomly just throwing out that people should without deserved reasons is beyond irresponsible.

I don’t have the time to list all the misses Gregory has had in recruiting.

You said earlier “could we do better in recruiting? Yes.”

THEN WHY IS IT SO OUTRAGEOUS TO WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO DO BETTER? It makes no fucking sense man.

Is Gregory a good coach?

Can you solve the recruiting misses by devoting the 10th coach to assisting in LB recruiting?

What do you want out of the 10th coach?

And I’m assuming that by recruiting misses on Gregory you are talking outside at the Buck position ... who recruits Bucks?

 

[Bread]

Listening to you talk about what Pete needs to do? There is no fucking way Pete is going to come through with what you want.

From what you are saying this staff is grasping at straws for recruits. Total desperation. Instead following guys in other regions of the country spend your time locally and California. How hard is that concept? Recruiting in the South to Seattle? No fucking chance. Recruits look at the women the school has and good luck with competing with the South on that one.

Pete just doesn't seem like a guy who will purge 4 or 5 coaches in one year. Though, I agree it needs to happen. I bet JS stays another year.

If watching film with Smith is, "awkward" then I don't know what it will take to get this guy fired.

It sounds like these old rich white guys need a lesson in social media. From you are describing on their posts it makes me wonder if they actually fucking coach football.

Basically what it sounds like to me, is Pete will forever be a 8-4 / 10-2 coach with a one loss season every 5-7 years. So basically if he coaches here another 10 years he might compete for a playoff spot 1 once or twice before he retires a very rich man.

We know next year won't be good. How are they going to improve? They need big time recruits now in the trenches which they clearly won't get this year from the sounds of it. Malloe is a massive liability, he needs to be fired before signing day.

How do you get the message to Pete that he can a couple try hards but needs talent to win? Pete comes off pretty stubborn when it comes to his "process."

Basically we suck, and I hate our staff. Thanks guys!!!

Everyone seems to agree on three things. to many old white guys, no hot chicas, and poor social media.

our 10th coach is pretty obvious then.
https://instagram.com/p/BbiHraTjg22/

 

[jecornel]

Oh and Pete will be competing for the playoff more than once or twice the next decade.

What makes you think that? He pissed this season away. I mean, what a waste. Have a FG kicker who can put away a 30 yard kick. Down right pathetic.

Pete had a mixture of Sark recruits he probably would have never gotten to come to Washington and was able to sneak into the playoffs last year. Like DDY said, Pete is the one who needs to get out of his comfort zone and change his philosophy. Don James did it in 1988 so I guess Pete could?

If this staff doesn't kill it instate between 2019-2021 then he isn't sniffing another playoff. If Pete continues to recruit the Haener's & the Harris' of the world then the program is fucked. We all know there is no way Yankoff and Sirmon are both here all four years. One will win the job and the other will bail. So the one who sticks better pan out and you better have another QB on deck to push the starter. Like the TSIO guys are saying, Jake has not had to look over his shoulder.

The point I was making about recruiting in the South, is you better have strong fucking inroads to spend valuable time there.

Ya, next year the secondary should be solid, but if you are sieve in the trenches then it makes everyone's job a lot harder. If Gaines leaves the depth will be beyond razor thin. Who do you have behind Jaylen & Levi? McCoy & Pulu?

Calm down little Jimmy. I know you absorb whatever you are hearing like a sponge without any critical thought but let’s think about this for a second.

Yes, our recruiting potential is higher than our recruiting reality.

No, we didn’t go to the playoff on the backs of Sark recruits in year 3.

No, our talent levels are not dropping. Every class has been a little bit better.

No, we aren’t going to be perennially 8-4 to 10-2. Coker and DDY are talking about what is needed to get us to the elite level not the top of our shit conference.

What's the issue troll? I enjoy the pod!

 

[bananasnblondes]

If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.

Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.

The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?

Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now.

 

[CokeGreaterThanPepsi]

If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.

Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.

The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?

Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now.

We have one of the absolute best leaders in CFB, UW can get truly elite with better coaches and recruiters. That is all I’m saying. And not everyone can get those types of coaches because they either don’t want to work with a shit head coach, or they want to get paid more. UW can offer pay and a great HC.

I just want to support our elite head coach, that has developed an elite culture, that has an elite defensive scheme and DC. That’s it.

I am sorry for that.

 

[jecornel]

Pete is the most important coach.

Remember that.

I want that Cal coach!!!

 

[theknowledge]

It's weird seeing Coker and Teq fight. I'm slightly aroused.

It's like being in the basement listening to dad and dad have an argument over who's on top tonight. Memories...

of last night.

 

[bananasnblondes]

If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.

Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.

The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?

Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now.

We have one of the absolute best leaders in CFB, UW can get truly elite with better coaches and recruiters. That is all I’m saying. And not everyone can get those types of coaches because they either don’t want to work with a shit head coach, or they want to get paid more. UW can offer pay and a great HC.

I just want to support our elite head coach, that has developed an elite culture, that has an elite defensive scheme and DC. That’s it.

I am sorry for that.

Yes, we have an elite coach. That's why he's not going to do something like fire half his staff this year.

Look, I'm in total agreement with you that I would love to have great recruiters and great coaches. I want the best staff possible. I liked that we've weeded guys out over the past 2 years. I hope that continues with Babushka this year. And yes, if we could get rid of our entire staff and replace each one with a guy who is giaranteed to be a great coach and great recruiter, that would be awesome.

It would also be awesome if each time I took a shit, a $100 bill would come out of my ass instead of poop.

 

[whlinder]

Serious question:
Did we compete for a playoff berth this year?

You don’t make the playoffs every year in which you compete for them. We’re not making the playoffs but it’s because we have two road losses by 1 score to shit teams.

 

[Woof]

If building a college football program from 15 years of shit to a NC was akin to creating a character on dungeons and dragons or drafting afantasy football team, yes, firing half your coaching staff to get slightly better recruiting results while maintaining wverything else would make sense.

Unfortunately, it's not. Starting next year with a brand new OC, QB coach, LB coach, Special Teams coach, DB coach, TE coach, DL coach and 2nd year OL and WR coach (who have thus far not proven themselves as position coaches) could help us "do better" in recruiting.it's more likely a recipe for taking a conference contender and turning them into a 3-6 team.

The simple solution of "just fire everyone and hire guys that are great coaches and great recruiters" is an overly simplistic way of looking at this. Why doesn't every team do that?

Smith should be gone regardless, and I think he will be.
Malloe should be gone if they strike out on Taimani and Togai.
Other than that, you're risking too much in player development and program stability. You end up where UCLA is now.

We have one of the absolute best leaders in CFB, UW can get truly elite with better coaches and recruiters. That is all I’m saying. And not everyone can get those types of coaches because they either don’t want to work with a shit head coach, or they want to get paid more. UW can offer pay and a great HC.

I just want to support our elite head coach, that has developed an elite culture, that has an elite defensive scheme and DC. That’s it.

I am sorry for that.

The problem is that there are very few coaches that are great at both developing talent and recruiting. We have exactly one of those on staff: Jimmy Lake. Swapping Gregory for an Adrian Klemm clone isn't a recipe for success in the near or long term. Pete will always defer to guys who can develop talent, and I'm ok with that after a decade plus of players developing in spite of the coaches, so long as we have a few ace recruiters sprinkled in.

Babuskha and Malloe (if he doesn't get 2 of Togiai, Tremblay, and Taimani) should be goners. Assuming Lake leaves, Alexander or Heyward are fine, but nowhere near Lake. JD Williams would be a home run. The 10th coach must to be an elite defensive recruiter, specifically focused on the front 7. Anything below that is unacceptable to me.

 

[dnc]

It's weird seeing Coker and Teq fight. I'm slightly aroused.

It's even weirder agreeing with Teq (easily the TSIO guy I disagree with the most) and disagreeing with Coker (easily the TSIO guy I agree with the most).

Bizarro thread.

 

[CokeGreaterThanPepsi]

I give up

 

[Woof]

Double shitpoast (thanks @dnc for breaking it up)

Ideal situation for me is as follows:
Hamdan (co-OC/QBs) for Babuskha
- Lubick calls the plays and Hamdan recruits

JD Williams (secondary) for Lake
- Contingent on Lake actually leaving

Choate (DLs) for Malloe
- Not gonna happen, but I also don't think there is an elite DL coach on the west coast, so maybe someone in TX or Tosh (not likely)

Gregory to full time ST coach

Sirmon to LBs

Biggest downside would be too many white guys on staff.

 

[dnc]

Double shitpoast (thanks @dnc for breaking it up)

Ideal situation for me is as follows:
Hamdan (co-OC/QBs) for Babuskha
- Lubick calls the plays and Hamdan recruits

JD Williams (secondary) for Lake
- Contingent on Lake actually leaving

Choate (DLs) for Malloe
- Not gonna happen, but I also don't think there is an elite DL coach on the west coast, so maybe someone in TX or Tosh (not likely)

Gregory to full time ST coach

Sirmon to LBs

Biggest downside would be too many white guys on staff.

I'd be all for this except I'd rather have Hamdan calling plays than Lubick.

 

[CokeGreaterThanPepsi]

Double shitpoast (thanks @dnc for breaking it up)

Ideal situation for me is as follows:
Hamdan (co-OC/QBs) for Babuskha
- Lubick calls the plays and Hamdan recruits

JD Williams (secondary) for Lake
- Contingent on Lake actually leaving

Choate (DLs) for Malloe
- Not gonna happen, but I also don't think there is an elite DL coach on the west coast, so maybe someone in TX or Tosh (not likely)

Gregory to full time ST coach

Sirmon to LBs

Biggest downside would be too many white guys on staff.

I'd be all for this except I'd rather have Hamdan calling plays than Lubick.

Gerald Alexander over JD Williams easy, or get Gerald to LB coach and Keith Heyward to secondary, or flip them, whatever.