The disappointing season has the natives restless about the future, and Mad Son returns to give his take.
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Dan Hawkins or Don James? It's too early to tell
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The disappointing season has the natives restless about the future, and Mad Son returns to give his take.
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TierbsHsotBoobs
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Hawkins until proven otherwise.
CokeGreaterThanPepsi
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Good quote by Spurrier, and great point about that quote. Good chit AngrySon
Muttzen
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I was bored, decided to make some images of points for /points against BSU and UW over recent history. Ripped the scores from wikipedia, analyzed in excel.
Definitely not the highest quality (legends arent quite right, shouldn't be smooth curves, etc). But the smooth curves do help visually.
Median and averages are included. Median helps remove outlier points (blowouts, shutouts), but may be noisier due to low sample size in a football season.
See what you can find.
Interesting things:
-Justin Wilcox defenses tend to always have a worse average points allowed than median points. This could show that he gets a lot of what talent he has (play well against inferior opponents). It may also show that the defenses, which work consistently vs the lower talent, break vs superior talent.
-Didn't see much effect of Chris Petersen at Boise State, was surprised. Could check more years before he even became the offensive coordinator. It could be argued that the defense improved during his first few years, but that could have been Wilcox.
- Owen 12 was a big anomaly year at the UW.
-Nick Holt defense resumed where we were before Owen 12. Immediate improvement on average points allowed after wilcox hired. This put UW positive in the points scored vs points against.
-Our average points scored rose faster than our median points scored while under sark. This could point towards blowing out inferior competition more often. This could also be due to scheduling more cupcakes.
Definitely not the highest quality (legends arent quite right, shouldn't be smooth curves, etc). But the smooth curves do help visually.
Median and averages are included. Median helps remove outlier points (blowouts, shutouts), but may be noisier due to low sample size in a football season.
See what you can find.
Interesting things:
-Justin Wilcox defenses tend to always have a worse average points allowed than median points. This could show that he gets a lot of what talent he has (play well against inferior opponents). It may also show that the defenses, which work consistently vs the lower talent, break vs superior talent.
-Didn't see much effect of Chris Petersen at Boise State, was surprised. Could check more years before he even became the offensive coordinator. It could be argued that the defense improved during his first few years, but that could have been Wilcox.
- Owen 12 was a big anomaly year at the UW.
-Nick Holt defense resumed where we were before Owen 12. Immediate improvement on average points allowed after wilcox hired. This put UW positive in the points scored vs points against.
-Our average points scored rose faster than our median points scored while under sark. This could point towards blowing out inferior competition more often. This could also be due to scheduling more cupcakes.
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GrundleStiltzkin
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I knew Dan Hawkins. I played for Dan Hawkins. Sir, Chris Petersen is no Dan Hawkins.
priapism
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Dirk Koetter.
wiki/Dirk_Koetter:
At Arizona State, Koetter compiled a 40–34 (.541)record, and four winning seasons in six years. Under Koetter, the Sun Devils became known for a vertical passing attack. He held a 1–11 record against top 10 teams, and was 2–19 (.095) against ranked teams.
If this OL gets worse -> bad next year, there will be a losing season.
But...if the O can master this offense by next fall, and bring back the no-huddle, the O could become decent.
wiki/Dirk_Koetter:
At Arizona State, Koetter compiled a 40–34 (.541)record, and four winning seasons in six years. Under Koetter, the Sun Devils became known for a vertical passing attack. He held a 1–11 record against top 10 teams, and was 2–19 (.095) against ranked teams.
If this OL gets worse -> bad next year, there will be a losing season.
But...if the O can master this offense by next fall, and bring back the no-huddle, the O could become decent.
CokeGreaterThanPepsi
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Cool post @muttzen!!! Kinda stuff you only find at hardcorehusky.com. Welcome and keep up the good work!
halfbrainmanmolder
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So you are saying Chris Petersen is like Dan Quayle while Dan Hawkins is like JFK?
EwaDawg
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Disafuckinggree.
DJ - 25-19-1 at Kent State.
DJ - 6-5 in 1975
DJ - 5-6 in 1976
CP - 92-12 at BSU (MUCH,MUCH, MUCH, MUCH tougher comp than fucking Kent State)
CP - 6-4 in 2014 with 2-3 winnable games left.
DH - 2-10 in 2006
DH - 6-7 in 2007
DJ could easily be closer to DH than he will be to CP after two years.
James learned, made changes, and became a great coach but he started off MEDIOCRE at best.
Pete is currently better than mediocre. Hence better than DJ (at that point which is the only relevant comparison point).
LIFPO
TLDR version. Until proven otherwise, Petersen is more like DJ than DH.
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Muttzen
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Here' s an example of good coaching. These average scores are only taken from Pac 10/12 games to prevent OOC bias.
You can see that in chip kelly's second year as OC (2008), offensive production exploded. Over his tenure as HC (2009-2012), the offense and defense continued to improve. You can see in the most recent years with Slingblade, the trend was broken.
Time will tell how much Oregon will revert to pre-Kelly, or whether they can sustain success like BSU has.
You can see that in chip kelly's second year as OC (2008), offensive production exploded. Over his tenure as HC (2009-2012), the offense and defense continued to improve. You can see in the most recent years with Slingblade, the trend was broken.
Time will tell how much Oregon will revert to pre-Kelly, or whether they can sustain success like BSU has.
Dan Hawkins and Dirk Koetter did better at Boise State than DJ did at Kent State. In that case, at one point they were better than DJ as well. These comparisons are essentially useless. Petersen will win or he won't. Petersen's resume at Boise State is impressive, but it doesn't matter anymore.
Water is wet, but Petersen's not Don James, and he's not the former Boise State coaches either. If he fails, he won't be the first coach that wins big at a lower level that didn't achieve success at higher levels. The opposite is also true. He's not doomed to fail because of the past Boise coaches and he's not ensured success at UW because of what he's done in the past. There is nothing to do but LIPO and see where he ends up in a couple years.
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MikeDamone
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My issue with Sark was him flapping his yapper all the time and not backing it up. And then kim and company sucking him off like he did something great. Add to that three game losing streaks, getting blown out by average teams, and when he did win, seemingly take a week off to be a dude brah and fuck Joey's waitresses made him intolerable. Petersen is an adult in charge and while he hasn't done a lot to make me think he is going to be Don James, I'm willing to be more tolerant of him than dude brah. Still, win or GTFO. I think he will win, eventually.
doogsinparadise
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Better than Hawkins, about Koetter-replacement level until proven otherwise.