John Cooper was a tuff football coach
Too bad Bitchfork wasn't born yet
Cooper McDonald, 2020 3* LB, Justin (Northwest), TX (Committed)
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John Cooper was a tuff football coach
Too bad Bitchfork wasn't born yet
LaMichael_Corleone
New Fish
This sentence alone handicaps what you’re saying about evaluating.
We’re offering the same kids as these other big schools. Rome Odunze was a late find and we offered him after Penn State and Oklahoma. Evaluating and recruiting are different. I’m sorry that it feels like parsing but offering someone like Esteen early is evaluating well, getting a kid not to visit Colorado who’s best offers are Baylor and Utah is just getting a lazy win. Period.
I’m not trying to argue or shit on the kid, but we need to get to a level where we look at a failure and call it a failure.
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Tequilla
Active poster
There’s incomplete information out there ... so just going by timing of offers as your foundation can lead to flawed results and conclusions
Moreover, there are all kinds of reasons why you win/lose in recruiting.
Listening to a recent Evan Weaver about why he went to Cal and he said it was because he wanted to be a leader in establishing something new. It could all be BS rationalization after the fact but the reasons why kids pick schools is far from black and white.
At certain positions. Other positions we are consistently failing at. Funny how there's a strong correlation both ways with the position coaches recruiting.
Damaged goods? But seriously, I think everyone knows that at DB we've struck out with some top tier talent, we are ok when that hasn't been a consistent theme, when the B plan guys are also "really" fucking good bc Jimmy is a proven great evaluater who can actually pick out diamonds in the rough. We've also leveled up at DB where we are taking our shot at the best of the best and realize our product isn't the best yet. Some failures are bound to be a part of that growth. Not so much with LB recruiting...
How much longer should we LIPO with Gregory? 5 years? Also, notice, I'm advocating for him and Kwat to get "help" not to be fired. Do what you gotta do to help them succeed. The current modus operandi isn't acceptable at this level.
dawgs206
New Fish
Bob Gregory needs to step it up on the recruiting trail. No other way to say it. He's been a great LB coach and a big reason we've had a dominate defense the past few years, but he's also inherited more than any other position coach.
-Inherited Dante Pettis and John Ross as return extraordinaires. Last year without the pair we were #108 in Punt return O, #111 in Kick-off Return O... Also, #97 in Punt return D, #76 in Kick-off D. WE SUCKED. That doesn't include not having a kicker that can hit from 35+ yards, which cost us 1 game against Oregon last year and 1 against ASU in 2017. Gregory is likely going to get TWO scholarships devoted to a Punter and long-snapper this class. They better be All-Americans and I don't exactly have faith they will be.
-This might be a bit of a reach, but no denying he has benefited from our string of DT's. 5 DT's drafted since he got here in 2014, including 2 first rounders and 4/5 drafted in the first 4 rounds. That helps as an ILB coach. He gets credit for BBK, 2016 Azeem and Bierria. The 2019 recruiting class is stacked at ILB and credit him for that, but he's treading water for 2020 and 2021 has MASSIVE potential (with plenty of UW ties) that we need to capitalize on.
Even if our ILB continues to be top notch, we need to see improvement in special teams play and recruiting or some sort of change is needed. Like having a 10th coach help with OLB/ILB instead of shadowing Jimmy. How much does Cort make at Louisville?
-Inherited Dante Pettis and John Ross as return extraordinaires. Last year without the pair we were #108 in Punt return O, #111 in Kick-off Return O... Also, #97 in Punt return D, #76 in Kick-off D. WE SUCKED. That doesn't include not having a kicker that can hit from 35+ yards, which cost us 1 game against Oregon last year and 1 against ASU in 2017. Gregory is likely going to get TWO scholarships devoted to a Punter and long-snapper this class. They better be All-Americans and I don't exactly have faith they will be.
-This might be a bit of a reach, but no denying he has benefited from our string of DT's. 5 DT's drafted since he got here in 2014, including 2 first rounders and 4/5 drafted in the first 4 rounds. That helps as an ILB coach. He gets credit for BBK, 2016 Azeem and Bierria. The 2019 recruiting class is stacked at ILB and credit him for that, but he's treading water for 2020 and 2021 has MASSIVE potential (with plenty of UW ties) that we need to capitalize on.
Even if our ILB continues to be top notch, we need to see improvement in special teams play and recruiting or some sort of change is needed. Like having a 10th coach help with OLB/ILB instead of shadowing Jimmy. How much does Cort make at Louisville?
Tequilla
Active poster
I feel like a broken record ... but NOBODY is saying that Gregory is a great recruiter.
Special teams coaching is interesting to me ... we largely failed last year due to a lack of depth at positions that feed into special teams. Some of that is on Gregory.
Saying our LBs are good because the DL has been good is laughable to me
Special teams coaching is interesting to me ... we largely failed last year due to a lack of depth at positions that feed into special teams. Some of that is on Gregory.
Saying our LBs are good because the DL has been good is laughable to me
dawgs206
New Fish
We were bad at pretty much everything related to special teams in 2018. Our depth should be better than most of the PAC-12 so that isn’t a great excuse. Are you saying WSU and OSU had better depth in 2018? That is largely coaching.
I didn’t say our DL is the reason our LB’s are good. I said it makes Gregory’s job easier. Outside of BBK and 2016 Azeem and Bierria I would say our LB’s have been good, but not the strength of our D. If he is going to be a liability in recruiting and special teams (LIPO a little here) we should expect amazing LB play.
Special teams sucked last year and most years under Petersen other than D Money punt returns
Coaches are stubborn. So are bosses. Its hard for them to admit they aren't doing something well because that's how they do it and they are successful so who are you to disagree?
Lose again to Oregon based on special teams and hit the road Jack
Coaches are stubborn. So are bosses. Its hard for them to admit they aren't doing something well because that's how they do it and they are successful so who are you to disagree?
Lose again to Oregon based on special teams and hit the road Jack
Penace
New Fish
If this was the NFL This kid is like a 7th round draft pick or more likely undrafted free agent. A guy that you don't even expect to make the fucking team. Why in the fuck are we accepting his commitment in July?
Why in the fuck are we offering him in May.
I'm sorry but his commitment feels like a loss.
Why in the fuck are we offering him in May.
I'm sorry but his commitment feels like a loss.
MelloDawg
New Fish
The doog take on this is great.
"I think I trust the coaches more than you."
"Petersen recruits players, not stars."
"Steve Emtman was a 2-star"
Fuck. These are the same people who loved Sark each and every year and were too chicken shit to say they all endorsed Willingham for his 4th year. When you start spouting off nonsense that justifies why a 3-star is an awesome and game changing athlete for us, you should drink bleach.
"I think I trust the coaches more than you."
"Petersen recruits players, not stars."
"Steve Emtman was a 2-star"
Fuck. These are the same people who loved Sark each and every year and were too chicken shit to say they all endorsed Willingham for his 4th year. When you start spouting off nonsense that justifies why a 3-star is an awesome and game changing athlete for us, you should drink bleach.
Meh, I don't think he sucks but was he one of our "top" targets or did we settle? That's the debate.
NLdawg
New Fish
Bi-polar much?
If that comment got you like that, you might need to take a walk to get some perspective and to also ensure you can handle this place.
I’ve taken many walks. [/QUOTE]
*****
Look, this is obviously right. I shouldn’t have lashed out, but I did. It’s been danced around here for quite some time. Now I’ve said it directly. Sorry @LaMichael_Corleone, I like your stuff and generally agree with you, but the twitter stuff beyond gifs, likes, and emojis is, IMV, too much. I’ll meet you at 7-11 to settle this as civilized men do.
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LaMichael_Corleone
New Fish
*****
Look, this is obviously right. I shouldn’t have lashed out, but I did. It’s been danced around here for quite some time. Now I’ve said it directly. Sorry @LaMichael_Corleone, I like your stuff and generally agree with you, but the twitter stuff beyond gifs, likes, and emojis is, IMV, too much. I’ll meet you at 7-11 to settle this as civilized men do. [/QUOTE]
I think you’re taking this a lil too seriously my man. And you fucked up the quoting so it makes me look like I said this stupid ass shit. Tough day for ya. Ya hate to see it.[/b]
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