Concerns over WR recruiting

So SC, ASU and UA all have different academic standards than UW? That's news to me. It's my understanding that in the P12, only Stanford and possibly UCLA have standards that differ from NCAA standards.

FWIW, the kid's HS coach stated this past week that Henry is on track to be fully qualified.
 
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Did you mean to say USC instead of UCLA? USC is private. UCLA's minimum is the UC minimum, same as Cal.
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I remember hearing UCLA had slightly higher standards than other schools back in the day. USC is private, but they care about winning.
 
Not everyone has to be Reggie Williams as a freshman. I'm sick of these doogy overinflated expectations for people.

Pettis was a freshman! He's supposed to dominate upper tier teams? Did you notice he was the whole reason we were in the game against Stanford?

Since when do freshmen dominate against great competition? Jesus.

Every criticism you have of Pettis could've been made about Sankey after his first year. So dumb.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. For f's sake.
 
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Did you mean to say USC instead of UCLA? USC is private. UCLA's minimum is the UC minimum, same as Cal.
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I remember hearing UCLA had slightly higher standards than other schools back in the day. USC is private, but they care about winning.
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Yeah there's NCAA minimum standards and self-imposed university minimum standards. Im not trying to do academis smack, but there are obviously guys that go to ASUs OSUs or WSUs that UW UCLA Cal and Stanford don't touch. So there's some other standard being imposed at those schools. Which is stupid, but that's what they do.

Cal over the years has let in some real sketchy qualifiers - Jason Kidd Russell White and Marshawn Lynch being prime examples.
 
Not everyone has to be Reggie Williams as a freshman. I'm sick of these doogy overinflated expectations for people.

Pettis was a freshman! He's supposed to dominate upper tier teams? Did you notice he was the whole reason we were in the game against Stanford?

We get it: you want sizzle. If you look at Renfro and McClatcher's tapes and don't see guys who have impressive physical skills then you don't understand HS players.

Lenius looked good every single time he was targeted. He should've redshirted.

Your poast is so stooooopid. You want everyone to be Reggie? Okay, me too.

By your standards every frosh WR we've ever played outside of Reggie is useless.

Also: we're talking about the most useless position.

We're getting better OL recruiting than in the past 20 years and you are grousing about the lack of splashy WRs: which is a hot topic on doogman... nice.

Here's what matters in recruiting: DL, OL, QB, fast guys.

This discussion is not only inaccurate (we are doing fine at WR recruiting) it's dumb.
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Agree with a lot of it, eppecially your opinions on WR recruiting and recruiting in general, but some of this is major pressing. Was the stuff about Pettis and Stanford a typo? Shaq was the main reason we were in the game against Stanford.

Lenius played a decent amount and didn't make an impact. He was a freshman and he's an intriguing player, but that's about it. I like him, but I also don't fault anyone that doesn't want to crown his ass yet either.
 
Did you mean to say USC instead of UCLA? USC is private. UCLA's minimum is the UC minimum, same as Cal.
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I remember hearing UCLA had slightly higher standards than other schools back in the day. USC is private, but they care about winning.
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Yeah there's NCAA minimum standards and self-imposed university minimum standards. Im not trying to do academis smack, but there are obviously guys that go to ASUs OSUs or WSUs that UW UCLA Cal and Stanford don't touch. So there's some other standard being imposed at those schools. Which is stupid, but that's what they do.

Cal over the years has let in some real sketchy qualifiers - Jason Kidd Russell White and Marshawn Lynch being prime examples.
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Cal can't take those risks anymore now either. Their student advisory board or something like that passed a new requirement that takes effect in phases. I can't remember it exactly but the football team has to take 3.0 students or better by a certain point. It was actually a pretty tough rule and hurts the football program, but what do you really expect from Cal?
 
Ugh, I'm going nuts so I just took that stuff out.

It's not major pressing: Pettis' punt returns were a serious part of why we did anything against Stanford.

Again: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I got in fights with so many morons saying the same thing about Sankey after his freshman year.

When he was on the field he looked good. What else do you want?

People said if he were better he would've clearly wrested the backup RB position from Callier.

This doogy crap always has the flavor of uninformed/random skepticism.

For whatever reason Callier had one decent fly sweep and people thought he was good. I spent he whole year saying Sankey was much better and people would make the same arguments "he choked at Neb" "it was two runs!" Whatever.

Pettis and Lenius looked good to me. You can say they didn't look good, but you can't say them failing to dominate in the Pac-12 is evidence of anything.

Sankey didn't even win the starting RB job in camp! Saying 'the coaches know' and taking who plays as a rule about who is good is foolish.

Pettis and Lenius both flashed in limited time. That's all you can ask.

I swear to god, when I revisited this topic re: Sankey during '13 they were all saying "we were just saying he hadn't DONE anything yet."

Uh, that's not an opinion, that's a statement of fact. Using it is as justified skepticism that someone won't do anything in the future is like saying, "well Jimmy hasn't learned how to read and he's had 5 years on the earth..."

It's just totally ignorant of the natural course of development.
 
Did you mean to say USC instead of UCLA? USC is private. UCLA's minimum is the UC minimum, same as Cal.
Click to expand...

I remember hearing UCLA had slightly higher standards than other schools back in the day. USC is private, but they care about winning.
Click to expand...
Yeah there's NCAA minimum standards and self-imposed university minimum standards. Im not trying to do academis smack, but there are obviously guys that go to ASUs OSUs or WSUs that UW UCLA Cal and Stanford don't touch. So there's some other standard being imposed at those schools. Which is stupid, but that's what they do.

Cal over the years has let in some real sketchy qualifiers - Jason Kidd Russell White and Marshawn Lynch being prime examples.
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Cal can't take those risks anymore now either. Their student advisory board or something like that passed a new requirement that takes effect in phases. I can't remember it exactly but the football team has to take 3.0 students or better by a certain point. It was actually a pretty tough rule and hurts the football program, but what do you really expect from Cal?
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That's because Tedford was really bad at monitoring graduation and progression rates for his players during his tenure. The APR figures during his tenure I believe were dead last in the conference.
 
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Did you mean to say USC instead of UCLA? USC is private. UCLA's minimum is the UC minimum, same as Cal.
Click to expand...

I remember hearing UCLA had slightly higher standards than other schools back in the day. USC is private, but they care about winning.
Click to expand...
Yeah there's NCAA minimum standards and self-imposed university minimum standards. Im not trying to do academis smack, but there are obviously guys that go to ASUs OSUs or WSUs that UW UCLA Cal and Stanford don't touch. So there's some other standard being imposed at those schools. Which is stupid, but that's what they do.

Cal over the years has let in some real sketchy qualifiers - Jason Kidd Russell White and Marshawn Lynch being prime examples.
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Cal can't take those risks anymore now either. Their student advisory board or something like that passed a new requirement that takes effect in phases. I can't remember it exactly but the football team has to take 3.0 students or better by a certain point. It was actually a pretty tough rule and hurts the football program, but what do you really expect from Cal?
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That's because Tedford was really bad at monitoring graduation and progression rates for his players during his tenure. The APR figures during his tenure I believe were dead last in the conference.
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And they won more games than in the last 40 years. Go figure
 
I like our WR's & TE's. Sorry to keep mentioning it but you add a String to that group and it would be championship quality. Thats a huge caveat but thats all we are missing, a big legit #1 WR.

John Ross- If he returns healthy in 2016, he's an all-league guy

Jaydon Mickens- Quietly picked up his game the last 4 games of the year. 21 catches for 286 and 2 TD's plus 2 TD's on reverses. I think he can be Honorable Mention All-Pac12 this year. He will mitigate the loss of Ross which I think is biggest on kick returns.

Dante Pettis- Flashed like Dennis said. 16 catches for 200 yards the last 6 games. Thats 400 yards over a full season. Will get 500-600 this season if he gets the touches. Is going to be a solid player who gets better and better.

Brayden Lenius- See the article below. Has great bloodlines. 6'5 217. Has physical tools and good hands. Get this guy roided out while keeping his speed and he could develop into a #1 WR.
http://www.cbssports.com/general/wr...e-to-create-nfl-legacy-that-dickey-was-denied

Moving onto the TE's

Josh Perkins- Only played last 8 games of the year...25 grabs for 315 yards and 3 TDs. Was a good safety target last year. Does he get passed by better guys?

Darrell Daniels- Really want to see him breakout this year more than any other player. Can't believe they wasted his redshirt. As far as big play potential, he's #2 behind Ross. He has the ability to turn catches into big gains.

Drew Sample & David Ajamu- I know they played well in Spring and can block.

Overall this could be a top notch group in 2016 if Ross is back to self, Daniels develops and so does Lenius. Ross-Pettis-Lenius, Daniels at TE. Plus you have the guys to do 2 or 3 TE sets.

As far as WR recruiting I hope we can find a 6'3 or 6'4 type guy. Too many smurfs. But as others have said, WR isnt very important and its easy to replace guys. I like the near future at WR & TE.
 
I like our WR's & TE's. Sorry to keep mentioning it but you add a String to that group and it would be championship quality. Thats a huge caveat but thats all we are missing, a big legit #1 WR.

John Ross- If he returns healthy in 2016, he's an all-league guy

Jaydon Mickens- Quietly picked up his game the last 4 games of the year. 21 catches for 286 and 2 TD's plus 2 TD's on reverses. I think he can be Honorable Mention All-Pac12 this year. He will mitigate the loss of Ross which I think is biggest on kick returns.

Dante Pettis- Flashed like Dennis said. 16 catches for 200 yards the last 6 games. Thats 400 yards over a full season. Will get 500-600 this season if he gets the touches. Is going to be a solid player who gets better and better.

Brayden Lenius- See the article below. Has great bloodlines. 6'5 217. Has physical tools and good hands. Get this guy roided out while keeping his speed and he could develop into a #1 WR.
http://www.cbssports.com/general/wr...e-to-create-nfl-legacy-that-dickey-was-denied

Moving onto the TE's

Josh Perkins- Only played last 8 games of the year...25 grabs for 315 yards and 3 TDs. Was a good safety target last year. Does he get passed by better guys?

Darrell Daniels- Really want to see him breakout this year more than any other player. Can't believe they wasted his redshirt. As far as big play potential, he's #2 behind Ross. He has the ability to turn catches into big gains.

Drew Sample & David Ajamu- I know they played well in Spring and can block.

Overall this could be a top notch group in 2016 if Ross is back to self, Daniels develops and so does Lenius. Ross-Pettis-Lenius, Daniels at TE. Plus you have the guys to do 2 or 3 TE sets.

As far as WR recruiting I hope we can find a 6'3 or 6'4 type guy. Too many smurfs. But as others have said, WR isnt very important and its easy to replace guys. I like the near future at WR & TE.
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Yeah, if JRoss and String were here, we would have a top-tier group. In '16, we might have a great group anyway.

I don't like Fuller, but this is all just dm.c level griping.
 
At worst its an adequate group this year. Has a chance to be really good next year even without a String. Lenius will get better. If he can get a lot better he could develop into that #1 type.

And @Dennis_DeYoung you are right on Sankey. He had a few awesome runs in 2011 and it was obvious he was going to be very good. It took him half of 2012 and then he consistently was putting up +100 most games.

Dwayne Washington is similar in that we can see he has the potential as he's flashed it more than a handful of times. He never will be as good as Sankey but if he can figure some things out he will be a lot more consistent and be a good back.
 
Ugh, I'm going nuts so I just took that stuff out.

It's not major pressing: Pettis' punt returns were a serious part of why we did anything against Stanford.

Again: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I got in fights with so many morons saying the same thing about Sankey after his freshman year.

When he was on the field he looked good. What else do you want?

People said if he were better he would've clearly wrested the backup RB position from Callier.

This doogy crap always has the flavor of uninformed/random skepticism.

For whatever reason Callier had one decent fly sweep and people thought he was good. I spent he whole year saying Sankey was much better and people would make the same arguments "he choked at Neb" "it was two runs!" Whatever.

Pettis and Lenius looked good to me. You can say they didn't look good, but you can't say them failing to dominate in the Pac-12 is evidence of anything.

Sankey didn't even win the starting RB job in camp! Saying 'the coaches know' and taking who plays as a rule about who is good is foolish.

Pettis and Lenius both flashed in limited time. That's all you can ask.

I swear to god, when I revisited this topic re: Sankey during '13 they were all saying "we were just saying he hadn't DONE anything yet."

Uh, that's not an opinion, that's a statement of fact. Using it is as justified skepticism that someone won't do anything in the future is like saying, "well Jimmy hasn't learned how to read and he's had 5 years on the earth..."

It's just totally ignorant of the natural course of development.
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I'm not criticizing I just have questions. Some say concerns some say questions. Can CP adjust to playing with the big boys? It's a question.
 
I like our WR's & TE's. Sorry to keep mentioning it but you add a String to that group and it would be championship quality. Thats a huge caveat but thats all we are missing, a big legit #1 WR.

John Ross- If he returns healthy in 2016, he's an all-league guy

Jaydon Mickens- Quietly picked up his game the last 4 games of the year. 21 catches for 286 and 2 TD's plus 2 TD's on reverses. I think he can be Honorable Mention All-Pac12 this year. He will mitigate the loss of Ross which I think is biggest on kick returns.

Dante Pettis- Flashed like Dennis said. 16 catches for 200 yards the last 6 games. Thats 400 yards over a full season. Will get 500-600 this season if he gets the touches. Is going to be a solid player who gets better and better.

Brayden Lenius- See the article below. Has great bloodlines. 6'5 217. Has physical tools and good hands. Get this guy roided out while keeping his speed and he could develop into a #1 WR.
http://www.cbssports.com/general/wr...e-to-create-nfl-legacy-that-dickey-was-denied

Moving onto the TE's

Josh Perkins- Only played last 8 games of the year...25 grabs for 315 yards and 3 TDs. Was a good safety target last year. Does he get passed by better guys?

Darrell Daniels- Really want to see him breakout this year more than any other player. Can't believe they wasted his redshirt. As far as big play potential, he's #2 behind Ross. He has the ability to turn catches into big gains.

Drew Sample & David Ajamu- I know they played well in Spring and can block.

Overall this could be a top notch group in 2016 if Ross is back to self, Daniels develops and so does Lenius. Ross-Pettis-Lenius, Daniels at TE. Plus you have the guys to do 2 or 3 TE sets.

As far as WR recruiting I hope we can find a 6'3 or 6'4 type guy. Too many smurfs. But as others have said, WR isnt very important and its easy to replace guys. I like the near future at WR & TE.
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Kind of ironic that the one guy we're missing is the guy we see everywhere.
 
Ugh, I'm going nuts so I just took that stuff out.

It's not major pressing: Pettis' punt returns were a serious part of why we did anything against Stanford.

Again: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I got in fights with so many morons saying the same thing about Sankey after his freshman year.

When he was on the field he looked good. What else do you want?

People said if he were better he would've clearly wrested the backup RB position from Callier.

This doogy crap always has the flavor of uninformed/random skepticism.

For whatever reason Callier had one decent fly sweep and people thought he was good. I spent he whole year saying Sankey was much better and people would make the same arguments "he choked at Neb" "it was two runs!" Whatever.

Pettis and Lenius looked good to me. You can say they didn't look good, but you can't say them failing to dominate in the Pac-12 is evidence of anything.

Sankey didn't even win the starting RB job in camp! Saying 'the coaches know' and taking who plays as a rule about who is good is foolish.

Pettis and Lenius both flashed in limited time. That's all you can ask.

I swear to god, when I revisited this topic re: Sankey during '13 they were all saying "we were just saying he hadn't DONE anything yet."

Uh, that's not an opinion, that's a statement of fact. Using it is as justified skepticism that someone won't do anything in the future is like saying, "well Jimmy hasn't learned how to read and he's had 5 years on the earth..."

It's just totally ignorant of the natural course of development.
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Pettis has 3 punt returns for 6 yards against Stanford.

Look, all I'm saying is that no one has proven themselves yet. I'm saying that absence of evidence is in fact, absence of evidence, not evidence that they'll be the next Bishop Sankey. But, hey, don't let that stop you from anointing them All Pac-12 for 2015.
 
I get a little stiff when @Dennis_DeYoung gets this fired up.
 
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