EsophagealFeces
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This. The days of following a kid from recruitment all the way through his career are dead, which sucks bigly. There’s no reason invest emotionally or financially anymore.
Coach Petersen was FIRST and RIGHT
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This. The days of following a kid from recruitment all the way through his career are dead, which sucks bigly. There’s no reason invest emotionally or financially anymore.
Seven_Eleven
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They walked away long ago, before the NIL and semi-pro mercenary rule changes. They only were drawn back in for a miracle run that happened in large part because we got a home run through the portal with Penix. Now they claim to have walked away again.
...we'll see.
Even if they do stay unengaged. Even if every person you see complaining in every corner of the internet stopped watching forever today, it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket. A bunch of old guys no longer being the target audience of a product? Shocker.
I don't watch reality entertainment. But it remains popular. Again, if you want to say the sport is no longer for you, that's fine. But my money on the sport doing just fine moving forward.
Subscriptions [/s] TV viewership has never been higher!
I think a major issue is completely ignoring that a huge number of core fans support their football team because it is their university, which for whatever reasons of psychology we are pretty loyal to. If the players and coaches, who earn a good chunk of money off of that loyalty we have to the university, are constantly changing, then we're going to quit paying for that.
Their skills create economic value for the football team, but so does the entirety of the university. Might want to make sure you keep that second part happy too.
As a tennis fan, rooting for a bunch of individuals can be really boring (the competition itself is more compelling than the individuals) and it is ESPECIALLY uninteresting once you get past the very top players. Unfortunately for college football, the NFL already exists.
I think a major issue is completely ignoring that a huge number of core fans support their football team because it is their university, which for whatever reasons of psychology we are pretty loyal to. If the players and coaches, who earn a good chunk of money off of that loyalty we have to the university, are constantly changing, then we're going to quit paying for that.
Their skills create economic value for the football team, but so does the entirety of the university. Might want to make sure you keep that second part happy too.
As a tennis fan, rooting for a bunch of individuals can be really boring (the competition itself is more compelling than the individuals) and it is ESPECIALLY uninteresting once you get past the very top players. Unfortunately for college football, the NFL already exists.
This. #metoo
CallMeBigErn
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KD killed my dad. It hasn't happened yet but considering the way he talks, KD and the new age of college football will be to blame. But mostly KD.
dannarc
New Fish
I think individually people follow football for different reasons. People support and follow their local university, some Jack Doogs like me follow because they were forced to go as a young child and loved the atmoshphere and local and regional rivalries, etc.... There was alot of reasons why I have always followed college ball over pro.
Now, all the reasons I couldn't stand pro ball are creeping into college. Players and coaches with an unwavering love of money and bigger contracts. The entire roster and coaching staff of the LA Rams could replace every single Seattle Seahawk player and coach and 12's would show out en mass to support "their team" So what exactly are people following or supporting with pro ball?
Jed Fisch could bring his entire roster and coaching staff here overnight and do the same shit.
Is football simply about wanting your brand to win, no matter what, with whatever it takes to get there? If so, I'd say we? Are where we need to be!!!!!1!!!
Now, all the reasons I couldn't stand pro ball are creeping into college. Players and coaches with an unwavering love of money and bigger contracts. The entire roster and coaching staff of the LA Rams could replace every single Seattle Seahawk player and coach and 12's would show out en mass to support "their team" So what exactly are people following or supporting with pro ball?
Jed Fisch could bring his entire roster and coaching staff here overnight and do the same shit.
Is football simply about wanting your brand to win, no matter what, with whatever it takes to get there? If so, I'd say we? Are where we need to be!!!!!1!!!
I'm not saying there won't be a market for the college football product moving forward, so don't twist. We're still only a few seasons into to this brave new world. But I don't think it's crazy to consider to possibility of some large number of alumni and fans losing interest or becoming less passionate. Could certainly be more than a drop on the bucket, but perhaps some institutions are affected more than others.
Alabama, Mississippi, West Virginia, Oregon etc. will never have NFL teams. Places like Texas, Georgia, and Ohio have the appetite to support both for now. The rest of us are nostalgia driven retards for thinking college football can ever be the sport we fell in love with.
(Based on my memory), after the 1919 Black Sox scandal, the MLB teams were concerned about fans losing faith in the game and that they would lose interest. So they hired Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis and granted him full power to rule over the league. I think he was the one that gave Shoeless Joe Jackson the lifetime ban. According to a book I read in the 1990s, bringing in Landis was critical to saving the game. College football teams might end up resorting to this if things become such a mess that fans start losing interest. To restore a sense of structure and law and order.
AEB
New Fish
Your memory is right. Ultimately, he stayed too long and delayed many of the critical changes to baseball including desegregation.
In college football, the TV money is so huge now, so different from 1990s and earlier. Conferences need to pay players in order to regain control of the sport… tradeoffs.
BIG and SEC will pay the highest, something like 150k per scholarship player in excess of tuition, room and board. 3 year bilateral commitment from the school and player. Non-punitive Transfers allowed only after year 3. Player can leave the program before but surrenders income, sits out a year and loses that year of eligibility. Making an 85 roster spot becomes gold.
Only once you make some financial commitment by conferences can you impose meaningful restrictions. It works to be a 12mm annual commitment about 12% of the new TV deal. NIL still exists. Athletic departments can still fund. Big 12 ACC MW conferences do the same but at lower dollar amounts commensurate with their Tv contracts.
In college football, the TV money is so huge now, so different from 1990s and earlier. Conferences need to pay players in order to regain control of the sport… tradeoffs.
BIG and SEC will pay the highest, something like 150k per scholarship player in excess of tuition, room and board. 3 year bilateral commitment from the school and player. Non-punitive Transfers allowed only after year 3. Player can leave the program before but surrenders income, sits out a year and loses that year of eligibility. Making an 85 roster spot becomes gold.
Only once you make some financial commitment by conferences can you impose meaningful restrictions. It works to be a 12mm annual commitment about 12% of the new TV deal. NIL still exists. Athletic departments can still fund. Big 12 ACC MW conferences do the same but at lower dollar amounts commensurate with their Tv contracts.
GreenRiverGatorz
New Fish
Exhibit A of short-term fallacy thinking. None of this shit is going to change overnight - we're all addicted and the behavior of the current generation of fans likely won't change too drastically. Damn near every one of us is still going to tune in in the fall, and TV viewership numbers will continue to look good.
The problem is where the sport is going 20-30 years from now and beyond. We all got hooked on a college football product that emphasized program building and school loyalty - the core parts of a pageantry that set CFB apart from any professional sport and made it a genuinely unique product. That's not what a new generation of fan is being introduced too. Instead what they see is unlimited free agency, 30%+ roster turnover, and a relatively high frequency where a single player wears a jersey for three or more schools during his career. We can only speculate how that'll impact the staying power of college football, but I'd be willing to bet that a sport that more resembles a bastardized NFL with objectively worse game play is not going to sink its hooks into fans to the extent that it did in generation's past. It'll bleed out slowly and die. Race will probably outlive it.
I might but I've seen college football change from
Of course we're not the NFL we were fucking cheerleaders while the NFL was still in Daddy's ball sack
To the modern era of
WE NEED A REAL CHAMPION
I'm on record as college football being dead already. It just doesn't know it
I actually don't care about NIL or the portal. I think college ball could survive that
It's the playoffs that killed it and made it NFL lite
PLAYOFFS?
Of course we're not the NFL we were fucking cheerleaders while the NFL was still in Daddy's ball sack
To the modern era of
WE NEED A REAL CHAMPION
I'm on record as college football being dead already. It just doesn't know it
I actually don't care about NIL or the portal. I think college ball could survive that
It's the playoffs that killed it and made it NFL lite
PLAYOFFS?
College football by many metrics I believe is the second-most popular sport in America and it didn't defend it's brand at all once the media started circling on things. the dumbass grad transfer rule was the first thing I really thought started to fuck things up. It made no sense and was a slippery slope thing. I don't hate hate the playoff, but I think having more than 6 teams max was the move. I also think they underrated the value in having every game be the playoff and the possibility for multiple champions - that allows multiple fanbases to be more invigorated and for debate, and all we want to do now is debate shit.
It was frustrating at times, but a good kind of frustrating. And I say that as a fan of a team that got screwed in 1984.
That was the beauty of it
We're still talking about it
EXACTLY! How well do fan bases remember even bowl loses compared to NFL fans and playoff games? Ironically this would have been the rare year where we would have gotten a true national championship from a traditional bowl matchup. Wasn't it somewhat possible to shirt matchups to set up basically championship games in years it was needed? I thought I remembered that Washington wanted to play Miami somewhere in 91 but Miami wanted the Orange Bowl guaranteed win.
100%, boss.
Kingdome_Urinals
New Fish
No other sport is driven by the off-season natty. The minor bowl system has fed over 5,000 off-season natties in the last 15 years. Many by Oregon.