PostGameOrangeSlices
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It's about democracy, showing Russia power, sending outdated equipment like the Patriot batteries, and plenty of other stuff that can't be boiled down into one cause.
But you knew that and play stupid
Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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But you knew that and play stupid
However much it costs for as long as it takes. A winning approach since Vietnam.
”It’s about democracy” as there is no election scheduled in the near future in Ukraine as Zelensky postponed the previous one.
Please, at least debate with some semblance of honesty in your position. Or, if you really do think extending the conflict is about Democracy, you’re dumber than I thought because that’s a ridiculous take at this point.
My belief is Zelensky wants peace negotiations but the MIC/globalists who control these things won’t allow Biden (or Kamala) to even initiate a path to peace.
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You've evolved from page 1 where it was about democracy and bad ass war daddy's. Then the cost didn't matter because we were sending old stuff. Now we've committed to ten years at $1 trillion, probably for old stuff though.
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All this shit has already been discussed. Get some new material
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Wasnt this about amortization of old equipment?
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Yup. Which is different than a pallet full of cash. It is for actual equipment being used to fight Russia
Some of it is. But then there's replacement of stocks at 2024 prices vs 1980.
There are still pallets of cash being used to run the government too.
Root for America for a chnge instead of this rediculous charade that is Ukraine!
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No you're not. You root for demonrats and Ukraine. That's who started and continue this rediculous crap.
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you forgot to mention a country that starts with R. Any guesses?
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Ukraine, a poor medium sized Eastern European country, equipped with old Western equipment and Western intel (Palantir, advising, etc.) is currently fending off what many claimed to be the 2nd most powerful military on earth…Russia. With no US boots on the ground.
What if Russia had rolled over Ukraine, formally annexed Georgia, Khazakstan, your favorite MOLDOVA, and a few more such states? Emboldened and with an Alliance with China, it's Russia against Europe and China launching ships and missiles at Taiwan.
This was a fear of NATO for a while, and a legit one. Why do you think countries like Estonia, Latvia, and Poland joined? They hate Russia - that's why. It's why Turkey and their Muslim politics would rather be pals with France and Germany than Russia. Finland and Sweden? They saw the Ukraine situation and said fuck that, we'd rather be safe than sorry.
The Russia that is bogged down in Eastern Ukraine right now is not the Russia of that timeline. It is severely, severely neutered. And, even in that timeline, Russia would likely have done some half assed plan. But US and NATO soldiers would be doing the fighting and dying.
China is watching with fascination and learning a lot, just as the US and friends are. India too - they buy tons of Russia military shit - the kind that is going poof and gurgle against quite basic and old Western shit. And cheap Ukrainian sea drones, which are proving to be a BIG problem for the Russian navy.
Encouraging or trivializing territory expansion from Russia is bad US foreign policy. It just is.
These guys leveled Grozny and their Muslim population in the 90s. Supported Serbian craziness too. Invaded Georgia in 2008. Took a bite out of Ukraine in 2014 while Obama watched with his thumb up his ass and did nothing. Merkel and the lot too.
In comes Trump. Don't fuck with US, and pay up NATO, is made official policy. Iranian generals go poof. Putin doesn't do shit.
In comes Biden. Feeble. Internationally corrupt. Buddies with China and Ukraine, but doesn't really have much teeth. Abortion of a withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Hey, why don't we invade now? Says Putin. Shit will be easy, Ukraine really doesn't know what they are doing and our airborne troops will surround their capital city.
Two years later, even with sorry ass Biden in office, and Russia still is fighting tooth and nail for some towns on the border at huge losses.
All of this TL,DR shit is to say that Russia was taught a brutal lesson in the difference of NATO training standards, equipment, and command structure - even when the actual soldiers are Ukrainians empowered by centuries old hatred of Russia.
Hell, most of the initial Ukrainian troops weren't even NATO trained. They just happened to have this amazing 80s tech called javelins. The Russians are the ones deciding miles long columns of tanks and fuel tankers was the way to go.
What if Russia had rolled over Ukraine, formally annexed Georgia, Khazakstan, your favorite MOLDOVA, and a few more such states? Emboldened and with an Alliance with China, it's Russia against Europe and China launching ships and missiles at Taiwan.
This was a fear of NATO for a while, and a legit one. Why do you think countries like Estonia, Latvia, and Poland joined? They hate Russia - that's why. It's why Turkey and their Muslim politics would rather be pals with France and Germany than Russia. Finland and Sweden? They saw the Ukraine situation and said fuck that, we'd rather be safe than sorry.
The Russia that is bogged down in Eastern Ukraine right now is not the Russia of that timeline. It is severely, severely neutered. And, even in that timeline, Russia would likely have done some half assed plan. But US and NATO soldiers would be doing the fighting and dying.
China is watching with fascination and learning a lot, just as the US and friends are. India too - they buy tons of Russia military shit - the kind that is going poof and gurgle against quite basic and old Western shit. And cheap Ukrainian sea drones, which are proving to be a BIG problem for the Russian navy.
Encouraging or trivializing territory expansion from Russia is bad US foreign policy. It just is.
These guys leveled Grozny and their Muslim population in the 90s. Supported Serbian craziness too. Invaded Georgia in 2008. Took a bite out of Ukraine in 2014 while Obama watched with his thumb up his ass and did nothing. Merkel and the lot too.
In comes Trump. Don't fuck with US, and pay up NATO, is made official policy. Iranian generals go poof. Putin doesn't do shit.
In comes Biden. Feeble. Internationally corrupt. Buddies with China and Ukraine, but doesn't really have much teeth. Abortion of a withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Hey, why don't we invade now? Says Putin. Shit will be easy, Ukraine really doesn't know what they are doing and our airborne troops will surround their capital city.
Two years later, even with sorry ass Biden in office, and Russia still is fighting tooth and nail for some towns on the border at huge losses.
All of this TL,DR shit is to say that Russia was taught a brutal lesson in the difference of NATO training standards, equipment, and command structure - even when the actual soldiers are Ukrainians empowered by centuries old hatred of Russia.
Hell, most of the initial Ukrainian troops weren't even NATO trained. They just happened to have this amazing 80s tech called javelins. The Russians are the ones deciding miles long columns of tanks and fuel tankers was the way to go.
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