Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?

[pawz]

Never in my life would I think that Russia would violently invade a neighbor in the biggest war in Europe since WW2, and Americans would be tripping over themselves to make excuses in support of Russia.

You guys are a sad bunch.

So shattered emotionally by Dems and Covid that now everything is a conspiracy. Russia being a violent, aggressive, backwards country is not news.

There is a reason the USSR collapsed and all its neighbors hate them. Its because they have been belligerent assholes for decades and burned every bridge they have.

The guy you voted for told him he could. HTH

I did not vote for Biden.

And I doubt Biden told Putin to invade...considering US intelligence before, during, and after this situation

Are you saying the US told Russia to invade?[/b]

View attachment 55936

View attachment 55937

President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.

Biden sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion. But Ukraine's leader had already fired back to highlight the stakes.

“We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Twitter hours before Biden's new comments. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones.”

No, not at all[/b]

Nothing about what happened in February 2022 was minor.

Any US president would be sending arms and intelligence to Ukraine in this situation

Biden is a joke, but Russia dramatically escalated things with a full fledged invasion

I said not at all. And you know of course that Putin only acting up under Obama and Biden is not a coincidence

Weakness invites war and Joe's bizarre comment was stupid beyond belief

Elections matter, America voted for a dog faced pony soldier and this is what you get

I know you didn't vote for Biden but you're carrying his water now

You're better than that

Agree with most of this. Biden is feckless, ignorant, and arrogant. His actions and administration are indirectly(Putin being directly) responsible for this invasion.

Sorry, not sorry, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and no amount of apologizing for Russian interest in it meant an invasion was justified. There's a reason Ukraine was interested in Nato in the first place. At one point Russia could have been a Nato member...

This whole 2014 coup shit is right outta the Kremilin [/i][/b]who were you know, trying to fix the election to pro Russian government like they have done in countless other countries. Accuse your enemies of your crimes and all.

There's a bunch of geo-strategic wins the US gets out of this no matter the fake pearl clutching in here.

Sweden and Finland applying to Nato, Nato actually pulling its fucking weight for maybe the first real time in history, the de-militirization of the Kremlin with non-nato blood, Taiwan arms deals, Phillipines back to the side of the US, the CCP reconsidering how easy it is to overthrow a government, US military sales to the rest of the world for at least 2 decades moving forward(which took us out of recession btw), the wholesale overhaul of US strategic stockpiles at a discount, all of Eastern Europe basically moving closer to the US sphere, blah blah blah.

All because Russia made a serious blunder in estimating its own capabilities. Hopefully the Chinese invade Afghanistan next. That's about the only thing I could imagine being better.

Interesting take.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

http://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1628281442844266496?t=JyUtFASbmIw3eM-HjaeO2w&s=19

Good times when NATO blew up some countries

Serbian genocides and Russian genocides deserve blowing up.

You guys disagree.

It is what is is.

Then blow them the fuck up. That doesn't mean the US can't have some integrity within their 'leadership', does it? Hold elected officials accountable. Demand answers on just where the fuck 'our' money is going.

The military 'experts' bombed the fuck out of Vietnam for a decade. How'd that work out for a generation of fucked up veterans? The military 'experts' and policy wonks bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan for almost 20 years - and all we got was a t-shirt and $80 billion of weapons left behind.

Are you that fucking dense to swallow the 'experts' bullshit again?[/i]

Or you totally Machavellian in that Biden and his cronies should get wealthy AF as long as Putin bad? You're fine with domestic issues turning large chunks of this country into shitholes?

Why not both? Kick Putin's ass AND behave honorably at home. (Answer: because Biden and the cronies are incapable of that. And they count on peabrains like you to swallow their production hook line and sinker)

Or are you still hung up on Putin bad/Zelensky good?

(Zelensky not good)

Never have I once said that things shouldn't be improved at home. Hth

No. Because you’re intellectually dishonest and can only grasp binary variables

Putin bad. Zelensky war hero.

Wrong

Then break it down. At 33 pages and growing, you're argument is not compelling whatsoever.

Otherwise you're just a verbose version of MelloFS.

I have. Multiple times. Including correcting you on your Turkey misinformation.

You, Pawz and friends just choose to ignore it. It's all been laid out

This is a Putin land grab.

 

[Bob_C]

http://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1628281442844266496?t=JyUtFASbmIw3eM-HjaeO2w&s=19

Good times when NATO blew up some countries

Serbian genocides and Russian genocides deserve blowing up.

You guys disagree.

It is what is is.

Then blow them the fuck up. That doesn't mean the US can't have some integrity within their 'leadership', does it? Hold elected officials accountable. Demand answers on just where the fuck 'our' money is going.

The military 'experts' bombed the fuck out of Vietnam for a decade. How'd that work out for a generation of fucked up veterans? The military 'experts' and policy wonks bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan for almost 20 years - and all we got was a t-shirt and $80 billion of weapons left behind.

Are you that fucking dense to swallow the 'experts' bullshit again?[/i]

Or you totally Machavellian in that Biden and his cronies should get wealthy AF as long as Putin bad? You're fine with domestic issues turning large chunks of this country into shitholes?

Why not both? Kick Putin's ass AND behave honorably at home. (Answer: because Biden and the cronies are incapable of that. And they count on peabrains like you to swallow their production hook line and sinker)

Or are you still hung up on Putin bad/Zelensky good?

(Zelensky not good)

Never have I once said that things shouldn't be improved at home. Hth

No. Because you’re intellectually dishonest and can only grasp binary variables

Putin bad. Zelensky war hero.

Wrong

Then break it down. At 33 pages and growing, you're argument is not compelling whatsoever.

Otherwise you're just a verbose version of MelloFS.

I have. Multiple times. Including correcting you on your Turkey misinformation.

You, Pawz and friends just choose to ignore it. It's all been laid out

This is a Putin land grab.

So why do we care about that?

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

http://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1628281442844266496?t=JyUtFASbmIw3eM-HjaeO2w&s=19

Good times when NATO blew up some countries

Serbian genocides and Russian genocides deserve blowing up.

You guys disagree.

It is what is is.

Then blow them the fuck up. That doesn't mean the US can't have some integrity within their 'leadership', does it? Hold elected officials accountable. Demand answers on just where the fuck 'our' money is going.

The military 'experts' bombed the fuck out of Vietnam for a decade. How'd that work out for a generation of fucked up veterans? The military 'experts' and policy wonks bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan for almost 20 years - and all we got was a t-shirt and $80 billion of weapons left behind.

Are you that fucking dense to swallow the 'experts' bullshit again?[/i]

Or you totally Machavellian in that Biden and his cronies should get wealthy AF as long as Putin bad? You're fine with domestic issues turning large chunks of this country into shitholes?

Why not both? Kick Putin's ass AND behave honorably at home. (Answer: because Biden and the cronies are incapable of that. And they count on peabrains like you to swallow their production hook line and sinker)

Or are you still hung up on Putin bad/Zelensky good?

(Zelensky not good)

Never have I once said that things shouldn't be improved at home. Hth

No. Because you’re intellectually dishonest and can only grasp binary variables

Putin bad. Zelensky war hero.

Wrong

Then break it down. At 33 pages and growing, you're argument is not compelling whatsoever.

Otherwise you're just a verbose version of MelloFS.

I have. Multiple times. Including correcting you on your Turkey misinformation.

You, Pawz and friends just choose to ignore it. It's all been laid out

This is a Putin land grab.

So why do we care about that?

Again, I have been clear on this.

Because it sets a precedent that Russia can't invade and conquer its neighbors because it feels like it. Russia had been doing this in smaller bites for 25 years. Putin is on the record for wanting to reclaim "historical Russian land". From when in history? Who knows, as Russia has fluctuated from a moderate duchy to a huge empire.

The US doesn't have boots on the ground. The support is limited to intelligence, and the sale of aging weapons.

If the US REALLY[/b] cared about this, the Russian military would be obliterated in 3 days or less. However, at that point Russia would almost assuredly launch nukes, so that is off the table.

So, we are left with supplying Ukraine while they and Russians die by the thousands over whether or not they want Putin to boss them around. By the resistance of Ukraine, it's clear they want no part of Russia.

Remember, even the US thought this would be over relatively quickly. Most pundits had Russia winning in weeks when this powder keg got lighted.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

Never in my life would I think that Russia would violently invade a neighbor in the biggest war in Europe since WW2, and Americans would be tripping over themselves to make excuses in support of Russia.

You guys are a sad bunch.

So shattered emotionally by Dems and Covid that now everything is a conspiracy. Russia being a violent, aggressive, backwards country is not news.

There is a reason the USSR collapsed and all its neighbors hate them. Its because they have been belligerent assholes for decades and burned every bridge they have.

The guy you voted for told him he could. HTH

I did not vote for Biden.

And I doubt Biden told Putin to invade...considering US intelligence before, during, and after this situation

Are you saying the US told Russia to invade?[/b]

View attachment 55936

View attachment 55937

President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.

Biden sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion. But Ukraine's leader had already fired back to highlight the stakes.

“We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Twitter hours before Biden's new comments. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones.”

No, not at all[/b]

Nothing about what happened in February 2022 was minor.

Any US president would be sending arms and intelligence to Ukraine in this situation

Biden is a joke, but Russia dramatically escalated things with a full fledged invasion

I said not at all. And you know of course that Putin only acting up under Obama and Biden is not a coincidence

Weakness invites war and Joe's bizarre comment was stupid beyond belief

Elections matter, America voted for a dog faced pony soldier and this is what you get

I know you didn't vote for Biden but you're carrying his water now

You're better than that

Agree with most of this. Biden is feckless, ignorant, and arrogant. His actions and administration are indirectly(Putin being directly) responsible for this invasion.

Sorry, not sorry, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and no amount of apologizing for Russian interest in it meant an invasion was justified. There's a reason Ukraine was interested in Nato in the first place. At one point Russia could have been a Nato member...

This whole 2014 coup shit is right outta the Kremilin [/i][/b]who were you know, trying to fix the election to pro Russian government like they have done in countless other countries. Accuse your enemies of your crimes and all.

There's a bunch of geo-strategic wins the US gets out of this no matter the fake pearl clutching in here.

Sweden and Finland applying to Nato, Nato actually pulling its fucking weight for maybe the first real time in history, the de-militirization of the Kremlin with non-nato blood, Taiwan arms deals, Phillipines back to the side of the US, the CCP reconsidering how easy it is to overthrow a government, US military sales to the rest of the world for at least 2 decades moving forward(which took us out of recession btw), the wholesale overhaul of US strategic stockpiles at a discount, all of Eastern Europe basically moving closer to the US sphere, blah blah blah.

All because Russia made a serious blunder in estimating its own capabilities. Hopefully the Chinese invade Afghanistan next. That's about the only thing I could imagine being better.

Interesting take.

Interesting.



Glad to see that Trump and I agree.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Never in my life would I think that Russia would violently invade a neighbor in the biggest war in Europe since WW2, and Americans would be tripping over themselves to make excuses in support of Russia.

You guys are a sad bunch.

So shattered emotionally by Dems and Covid that now everything is a conspiracy. Russia being a violent, aggressive, backwards country is not news.

There is a reason the USSR collapsed and all its neighbors hate them. Its because they have been belligerent assholes for decades and burned every bridge they have.

The guy you voted for told him he could. HTH

I did not vote for Biden.

And I doubt Biden told Putin to invade...considering US intelligence before, during, and after this situation

Are you saying the US told Russia to invade?[/b]

View attachment 55936

View attachment 55937

President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.

Biden sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion. But Ukraine's leader had already fired back to highlight the stakes.

“We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Twitter hours before Biden's new comments. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones.”

No, not at all[/b]

Nothing about what happened in February 2022 was minor.

Any US president would be sending arms and intelligence to Ukraine in this situation

Biden is a joke, but Russia dramatically escalated things with a full fledged invasion

I said not at all. And you know of course that Putin only acting up under Obama and Biden is not a coincidence

Weakness invites war and Joe's bizarre comment was stupid beyond belief

Elections matter, America voted for a dog faced pony soldier and this is what you get

I know you didn't vote for Biden but you're carrying his water now

You're better than that

Agree with most of this. Biden is feckless, ignorant, and arrogant. His actions and administration are indirectly(Putin being directly) responsible for this invasion.

Sorry, not sorry, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and no amount of apologizing for Russian interest in it meant an invasion was justified. There's a reason Ukraine was interested in Nato in the first place. At one point Russia could have been a Nato member...

This whole 2014 coup shit is right outta the Kremilin [/i][/b]who were you know, trying to fix the election to pro Russian government like they have done in countless other countries. Accuse your enemies of your crimes and all.

There's a bunch of geo-strategic wins the US gets out of this no matter the fake pearl clutching in here.

Sweden and Finland applying to Nato, Nato actually pulling its fucking weight for maybe the first real time in history, the de-militirization of the Kremlin with non-nato blood, Taiwan arms deals, Phillipines back to the side of the US, the CCP reconsidering how easy it is to overthrow a government, US military sales to the rest of the world for at least 2 decades moving forward(which took us out of recession btw), the wholesale overhaul of US strategic stockpiles at a discount, all of Eastern Europe basically moving closer to the US sphere, blah blah blah.

All because Russia made a serious blunder in estimating its own capabilities. Hopefully the Chinese invade Afghanistan next. That's about the only thing I could imagine being better.

Interesting take.

Interesting.

View attachment 55940

Glad to see that Trump and I agree.

Any orange tanks in that aid package?

Ive heard they are around

 

[Bob_C]

http://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1628281442844266496?t=JyUtFASbmIw3eM-HjaeO2w&s=19

Good times when NATO blew up some countries

Serbian genocides and Russian genocides deserve blowing up.

You guys disagree.

It is what is is.

Then blow them the fuck up. That doesn't mean the US can't have some integrity within their 'leadership', does it? Hold elected officials accountable. Demand answers on just where the fuck 'our' money is going.

The military 'experts' bombed the fuck out of Vietnam for a decade. How'd that work out for a generation of fucked up veterans? The military 'experts' and policy wonks bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan for almost 20 years - and all we got was a t-shirt and $80 billion of weapons left behind.

Are you that fucking dense to swallow the 'experts' bullshit again?[/i]

Or you totally Machavellian in that Biden and his cronies should get wealthy AF as long as Putin bad? You're fine with domestic issues turning large chunks of this country into shitholes?

Why not both? Kick Putin's ass AND behave honorably at home. (Answer: because Biden and the cronies are incapable of that. And they count on peabrains like you to swallow their production hook line and sinker)

Or are you still hung up on Putin bad/Zelensky good?

(Zelensky not good)

Never have I once said that things shouldn't be improved at home. Hth

No. Because you’re intellectually dishonest and can only grasp binary variables

Putin bad. Zelensky war hero.

Wrong

Then break it down. At 33 pages and growing, you're argument is not compelling whatsoever.

Otherwise you're just a verbose version of MelloFS.

I have. Multiple times. Including correcting you on your Turkey misinformation.

You, Pawz and friends just choose to ignore it. It's all been laid out

This is a Putin land grab.

So why do we care about that?

Again, I have been clear on this.

Because it sets a precedent that Russia can't invade and conquer its neighbors because it feels like it. Russia had been doing this in smaller bites for 25 years. Putin is on the record for wanting to reclaim "historical Russian land". From when in history? Who knows, as Russia has fluctuated from a moderate duchy to a huge empire.

The US doesn't have boots on the ground. The support is limited to intelligence, and the sale of aging weapons.

If the US REALLY[/b] cared about this, the Russian military would be obliterated in 3 days or less. However, at that point Russia would almost assuredly launch nukes, so that is off the table.

So, we are left with supplying Ukraine while they and Russians die by the thousands over whether or not they want Putin to boss them around. By the resistance of Ukraine, it's clear they want no part of Russia.

Remember, even the US thought this would be over relatively quickly. Most pundits had Russia winning in weeks when this powder keg got lighted.

That’s not a good reason. I don’t care about any of that in the context of considering the domestic opportunity cost of money being sent, old weapons that could in theory be sold instead of donated and the general escalation risk of another US miscalculation.

Also the terrible economic policy and inflation gets scapegoated onto Putin and a lot of dumb people sucked that right up.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

Never in my life would I think that Russia would violently invade a neighbor in the biggest war in Europe since WW2, and Americans would be tripping over themselves to make excuses in support of Russia.

You guys are a sad bunch.

So shattered emotionally by Dems and Covid that now everything is a conspiracy. Russia being a violent, aggressive, backwards country is not news.

There is a reason the USSR collapsed and all its neighbors hate them. Its because they have been belligerent assholes for decades and burned every bridge they have.

The guy you voted for told him he could. HTH

I did not vote for Biden.

And I doubt Biden told Putin to invade...considering US intelligence before, during, and after this situation

Are you saying the US told Russia to invade?[/b]

View attachment 55936

View attachment 55937

President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.

Biden sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion. But Ukraine's leader had already fired back to highlight the stakes.

“We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Twitter hours before Biden's new comments. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones.”

No, not at all[/b]

Nothing about what happened in February 2022 was minor.

Any US president would be sending arms and intelligence to Ukraine in this situation

Biden is a joke, but Russia dramatically escalated things with a full fledged invasion

I said not at all. And you know of course that Putin only acting up under Obama and Biden is not a coincidence

Weakness invites war and Joe's bizarre comment was stupid beyond belief

Elections matter, America voted for a dog faced pony soldier and this is what you get

I know you didn't vote for Biden but you're carrying his water now

You're better than that

Agree with most of this. Biden is feckless, ignorant, and arrogant. His actions and administration are indirectly(Putin being directly) responsible for this invasion.

Sorry, not sorry, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and no amount of apologizing for Russian interest in it meant an invasion was justified. There's a reason Ukraine was interested in Nato in the first place. At one point Russia could have been a Nato member...

This whole 2014 coup shit is right outta the Kremilin [/i][/b]who were you know, trying to fix the election to pro Russian government like they have done in countless other countries. Accuse your enemies of your crimes and all.

There's a bunch of geo-strategic wins the US gets out of this no matter the fake pearl clutching in here.

Sweden and Finland applying to Nato, Nato actually pulling its fucking weight for maybe the first real time in history, the de-militirization of the Kremlin with non-nato blood, Taiwan arms deals, Phillipines back to the side of the US, the CCP reconsidering how easy it is to overthrow a government, US military sales to the rest of the world for at least 2 decades moving forward(which took us out of recession btw), the wholesale overhaul of US strategic stockpiles at a discount, all of Eastern Europe basically moving closer to the US sphere, blah blah blah.

All because Russia made a serious blunder in estimating its own capabilities. Hopefully the Chinese invade Afghanistan next. That's about the only thing I could imagine being better.

Interesting take.

Interesting.

View attachment 55940

Glad to see that Trump and I agree.

Any orange tanks in that aid package?

Ive heard they are around

I do hear that Trump is a Putin stooge.

Must be a 4D chess move to send lethal weapons to Ukraine to kill Russians.

 

[RaceBannon]

Never in my life would I think that Russia would violently invade a neighbor in the biggest war in Europe since WW2, and Americans would be tripping over themselves to make excuses in support of Russia.

You guys are a sad bunch.

So shattered emotionally by Dems and Covid that now everything is a conspiracy. Russia being a violent, aggressive, backwards country is not news.

There is a reason the USSR collapsed and all its neighbors hate them. Its because they have been belligerent assholes for decades and burned every bridge they have.

The guy you voted for told him he could. HTH

I did not vote for Biden.

And I doubt Biden told Putin to invade...considering US intelligence before, during, and after this situation

Are you saying the US told Russia to invade?[/b]

View attachment 55936

View attachment 55937

President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.

Biden sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion. But Ukraine's leader had already fired back to highlight the stakes.

“We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Twitter hours before Biden's new comments. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones.”

No, not at all[/b]

Nothing about what happened in February 2022 was minor.

Any US president would be sending arms and intelligence to Ukraine in this situation

Biden is a joke, but Russia dramatically escalated things with a full fledged invasion

I said not at all. And you know of course that Putin only acting up under Obama and Biden is not a coincidence

Weakness invites war and Joe's bizarre comment was stupid beyond belief

Elections matter, America voted for a dog faced pony soldier and this is what you get

I know you didn't vote for Biden but you're carrying his water now

You're better than that

Agree with most of this. Biden is feckless, ignorant, and arrogant. His actions and administration are indirectly(Putin being directly) responsible for this invasion.

Sorry, not sorry, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and no amount of apologizing for Russian interest in it meant an invasion was justified. There's a reason Ukraine was interested in Nato in the first place. At one point Russia could have been a Nato member...

This whole 2014 coup shit is right outta the Kremilin who were you know, trying to fix the election to pro Russian government like they have done in countless other countries. Accuse your enemies of your crimes and all.

There's a bunch of geo-strategic wins the US gets out of this no matter the fake pearl clutching in here.

Sweden and Finland applying to Nato, Nato actually pulling its fucking weight for maybe the first real time in history, the de-militirization of the Kremlin with non-nato blood, Taiwan arms deals, Phillipines back to the side of the US, the CCP reconsidering how easy it is to overthrow a government, US military sales to the rest of the world for at least 2 decades moving forward(which took us out of recession btw), the wholesale overhaul of US strategic stockpiles at a discount, all of Eastern Europe basically moving closer to the US sphere, blah blah blah.

All because Russia made a serious blunder in estimating its own capabilities. Hopefully the Chinese invade Afghanistan next. That's about the only thing I could imagine being better.

Appreciate the effort

Agree and disagree

Some assumptions are based on hope and require a vibrant and intelligent US braintrust that I don't think exists

Nor do I care that NATO grows or believe they are carrying their weight now that Trump is gone

But it's a good argument

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

http://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1628281442844266496?t=JyUtFASbmIw3eM-HjaeO2w&s=19

Good times when NATO blew up some countries

Serbian genocides and Russian genocides deserve blowing up.

You guys disagree.

It is what is is.

Then blow them the fuck up. That doesn't mean the US can't have some integrity within their 'leadership', does it? Hold elected officials accountable. Demand answers on just where the fuck 'our' money is going.

The military 'experts' bombed the fuck out of Vietnam for a decade. How'd that work out for a generation of fucked up veterans? The military 'experts' and policy wonks bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan for almost 20 years - and all we got was a t-shirt and $80 billion of weapons left behind.

Are you that fucking dense to swallow the 'experts' bullshit again?[/i]

Or you totally Machavellian in that Biden and his cronies should get wealthy AF as long as Putin bad? You're fine with domestic issues turning large chunks of this country into shitholes?

Why not both? Kick Putin's ass AND behave honorably at home. (Answer: because Biden and the cronies are incapable of that. And they count on peabrains like you to swallow their production hook line and sinker)

Or are you still hung up on Putin bad/Zelensky good?

(Zelensky not good)

Never have I once said that things shouldn't be improved at home. Hth

No. Because you’re intellectually dishonest and can only grasp binary variables

Putin bad. Zelensky war hero.

Wrong

Then break it down. At 33 pages and growing, you're argument is not compelling whatsoever.

Otherwise you're just a verbose version of MelloFS.

I have. Multiple times. Including correcting you on your Turkey misinformation.

You, Pawz and friends just choose to ignore it. It's all been laid out

This is a Putin land grab.

So why do we care about that?

Again, I have been clear on this.

Because it sets a precedent that Russia can't invade and conquer its neighbors because it feels like it. Russia had been doing this in smaller bites for 25 years. Putin is on the record for wanting to reclaim "historical Russian land". From when in history? Who knows, as Russia has fluctuated from a moderate duchy to a huge empire.

The US doesn't have boots on the ground. The support is limited to intelligence, and the sale of aging weapons.

If the US REALLY[/b] cared about this, the Russian military would be obliterated in 3 days or less. However, at that point Russia would almost assuredly launch nukes, so that is off the table.

So, we are left with supplying Ukraine while they and Russians die by the thousands over whether or not they want Putin to boss them around. By the resistance of Ukraine, it's clear they want no part of Russia.

Remember, even the US thought this would be over relatively quickly. Most pundits had Russia winning in weeks when this powder keg got lighted.

That’s not a good reason. I don’t care about any of that in the context of considering the domestic opportunity cost of money being sent, old weapons that could in theory be sold instead of donated and the general escalation risk of another US miscalculation.

Also the terrible economic policy and inflation gets scapegoated onto Putin and a lot of dumb people sucked that right up.

Disagree

 

[pawz]

Never in my life would I think that Russia would violently invade a neighbor in the biggest war in Europe since WW2, and Americans would be tripping over themselves to make excuses in support of Russia.

You guys are a sad bunch.

So shattered emotionally by Dems and Covid that now everything is a conspiracy. Russia being a violent, aggressive, backwards country is not news.

There is a reason the USSR collapsed and all its neighbors hate them. Its because they have been belligerent assholes for decades and burned every bridge they have.

The guy you voted for told him he could. HTH

I did not vote for Biden.

And I doubt Biden told Putin to invade...considering US intelligence before, during, and after this situation

Are you saying the US told Russia to invade?[/b]

View attachment 55936

View attachment 55937

President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.

Biden sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion. But Ukraine's leader had already fired back to highlight the stakes.

“We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Twitter hours before Biden's new comments. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones.”

No, not at all[/b]

Nothing about what happened in February 2022 was minor.

Any US president would be sending arms and intelligence to Ukraine in this situation

Biden is a joke, but Russia dramatically escalated things with a full fledged invasion

I said not at all. And you know of course that Putin only acting up under Obama and Biden is not a coincidence

Weakness invites war and Joe's bizarre comment was stupid beyond belief

Elections matter, America voted for a dog faced pony soldier and this is what you get

I know you didn't vote for Biden but you're carrying his water now

You're better than that

Agree with most of this. Biden is feckless, ignorant, and arrogant. His actions and administration are indirectly(Putin being directly) responsible for this invasion.

Sorry, not sorry, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and no amount of apologizing for Russian interest in it meant an invasion was justified. There's a reason Ukraine was interested in Nato in the first place. At one point Russia could have been a Nato member...

This whole 2014 coup shit is right outta the Kremilin [/i][/b]who were you know, trying to fix the election to pro Russian government like they have done in countless other countries. Accuse your enemies of your crimes and all.

There's a bunch of geo-strategic wins the US gets out of this no matter the fake pearl clutching in here.

Sweden and Finland applying to Nato, Nato actually pulling its fucking weight for maybe the first real time in history, the de-militirization of the Kremlin with non-nato blood, Taiwan arms deals, Phillipines back to the side of the US, the CCP reconsidering how easy it is to overthrow a government, US military sales to the rest of the world for at least 2 decades moving forward(which took us out of recession btw), the wholesale overhaul of US strategic stockpiles at a discount, all of Eastern Europe basically moving closer to the US sphere, blah blah blah.

All because Russia made a serious blunder in estimating its own capabilities. Hopefully the Chinese invade Afghanistan next. That's about the only thing I could imagine being better.

Interesting take.

Interesting.

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Glad to see that Trump and I agree.

Wait didn’t Democrats impeach him for this?

 

[Goduckies]

Russians have the biolab info. It's one of the biggest reasons they are there. If china built a bunch of biolabs in Tijuana would we do anything?

No that's not why they are there

 

[46XiJCAB]

Never in my life would I think that Russia would violently invade a neighbor in the biggest war in Europe since WW2, and Americans would be tripping over themselves to make excuses in support of Russia.

You guys are a sad bunch.

So shattered emotionally by Dems and Covid that now everything is a conspiracy. Russia being a violent, aggressive, backwards country is not news.

There is a reason the USSR collapsed and all its neighbors hate them. Its because they have been belligerent assholes for decades and burned every bridge they have.

The guy you voted for told him he could. HTH

I did not vote for Biden.

And I doubt Biden told Putin to invade...considering US intelligence before, during, and after this situation

Are you saying the US told Russia to invade?[/b]

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President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.

Biden sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion. But Ukraine's leader had already fired back to highlight the stakes.

“We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Twitter hours before Biden's new comments. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones.”

No, not at all[/b]

Nothing about what happened in February 2022 was minor.

Any US president would be sending arms and intelligence to Ukraine in this situation

Biden is a joke, but Russia dramatically escalated things with a full fledged invasion

I said not at all. And you know of course that Putin only acting up under Obama and Biden is not a coincidence

Weakness invites war and Joe's bizarre comment was stupid beyond belief

Elections matter, America voted for a dog faced pony soldier and this is what you get

I know you didn't vote for Biden but you're carrying his water now

You're better than that

Agree with most of this. Biden is feckless, ignorant, and arrogant. His actions and administration are indirectly(Putin being directly) responsible for this invasion.

Sorry, not sorry, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and no amount of apologizing for Russian interest in it meant an invasion was justified. There's a reason Ukraine was interested in Nato in the first place. At one point Russia could have been a Nato member...

This whole 2014 coup shit is right outta the Kremilin [/i][/b]who were you know, trying to fix the election to pro Russian government like they have done in countless other countries. Accuse your enemies of your crimes and all.

There's a bunch of geo-strategic wins the US gets out of this no matter the fake pearl clutching in here.

Sweden and Finland applying to Nato, Nato actually pulling its fucking weight for maybe the first real time in history, the de-militirization of the Kremlin with non-nato blood, Taiwan arms deals, Phillipines back to the side of the US, the CCP reconsidering how easy it is to overthrow a government, US military sales to the rest of the world for at least 2 decades moving forward(which took us out of recession btw), the wholesale overhaul of US strategic stockpiles at a discount, all of Eastern Europe basically moving closer to the US sphere, blah blah blah.

All because Russia made a serious blunder in estimating its own capabilities. Hopefully the Chinese invade Afghanistan next. That's about the only thing I could imagine being better.

Interesting take.

Interesting.

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Glad to see that Trump and I agree.

Wait didn’t Democrats impeach him for this?

With Superhero Zelensky’s help.

 

[RaceBannon]

Never in my life would I think that Russia would violently invade a neighbor in the biggest war in Europe since WW2, and Americans would be tripping over themselves to make excuses in support of Russia.

You guys are a sad bunch.

So shattered emotionally by Dems and Covid that now everything is a conspiracy. Russia being a violent, aggressive, backwards country is not news.

There is a reason the USSR collapsed and all its neighbors hate them. Its because they have been belligerent assholes for decades and burned every bridge they have.

The guy you voted for told him he could. HTH

I did not vote for Biden.

And I doubt Biden told Putin to invade...considering US intelligence before, during, and after this situation

Are you saying the US told Russia to invade?[/b]

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President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.

Biden sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion. But Ukraine's leader had already fired back to highlight the stakes.

“We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Twitter hours before Biden's new comments. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones.”

No, not at all[/b]

Nothing about what happened in February 2022 was minor.

Any US president would be sending arms and intelligence to Ukraine in this situation

Biden is a joke, but Russia dramatically escalated things with a full fledged invasion

I said not at all. And you know of course that Putin only acting up under Obama and Biden is not a coincidence

Weakness invites war and Joe's bizarre comment was stupid beyond belief

Elections matter, America voted for a dog faced pony soldier and this is what you get

I know you didn't vote for Biden but you're carrying his water now

You're better than that

Agree with most of this. Biden is feckless, ignorant, and arrogant. His actions and administration are indirectly(Putin being directly) responsible for this invasion.

Sorry, not sorry, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and no amount of apologizing for Russian interest in it meant an invasion was justified. There's a reason Ukraine was interested in Nato in the first place. At one point Russia could have been a Nato member...

This whole 2014 coup shit is right outta the Kremilin [/i][/b]who were you know, trying to fix the election to pro Russian government like they have done in countless other countries. Accuse your enemies of your crimes and all.

There's a bunch of geo-strategic wins the US gets out of this no matter the fake pearl clutching in here.

Sweden and Finland applying to Nato, Nato actually pulling its fucking weight for maybe the first real time in history, the de-militirization of the Kremlin with non-nato blood, Taiwan arms deals, Phillipines back to the side of the US, the CCP reconsidering how easy it is to overthrow a government, US military sales to the rest of the world for at least 2 decades moving forward(which took us out of recession btw), the wholesale overhaul of US strategic stockpiles at a discount, all of Eastern Europe basically moving closer to the US sphere, blah blah blah.

All because Russia made a serious blunder in estimating its own capabilities. Hopefully the Chinese invade Afghanistan next. That's about the only thing I could imagine being better.

Interesting take.

Interesting.

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Glad to see that Trump and I agree.

Wait didn’t Democrats impeach him for this?

Yep

He didn't trust Zelensky and wanted the Biden connection investigated before sending it

Ask H. He was all in on it

 

[RaceBannon]

Trump had to go for this to work

If it took a man made pandemic and crushing the US economy to do it well...

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[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Trump had to go for this to work

If it took a man made pandemic and crushing the US economy to do it well...

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For what to work?

 

[Bob_C]

Trump had to go for this to work

If it took a man made pandemic and crushing the US economy to do it well...

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For what to work?

To get the money washed. One day you’ll get it all.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Trump had to go for this to work

If it took a man made pandemic and crushing the US economy to do it well...

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For what to work?

To get the money washed. One day you’ll get it all.

Maybe, maybe not.

This argument requires you to view Russia as a bumbling toddler incapable of thought.

Russia got baited into invading Ukraine so that the Dems could wash corrupt Ukrainian Burisma money?

Not buying it.

Russia invaded because Putin wants to reclaim old Russian territory. He has said so himself. Why sell him short?

A special military operation. 3 days to Kyiv.

Whoops.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

Trump had to go for this to work

If it took a man made pandemic and crushing the US economy to do it well...

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This also requires a level of braintrust that the current administration DEFINITELY doesn't have.

4D chess from a guy that can't win against a flight of stairs.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Trump had to go for this to work

If it took a man made pandemic and crushing the US economy to do it well...

View attachment 23894

This also requires a level of braintrust that the current administration DEFINITELY doesn't have.

4D chess from a guy that can't win against a flight of stairs.

The DNC is both incompetent and strategic masterminds that baited Russia into an unwinnable war.

By telling Zelensky to GTFO of dodge and by projecting Ukraine wouldnt last long.

Schrodinger's DNC