So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.[/b]
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
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And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others%20say%20the%20group's%20name,Hitler's%20favorite%20composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
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Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
Look at the fucking map. HTH
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed,[/i][/b] not because they are playing 5d chess.
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.
Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.
You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.
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I'm sorry...they initially went full send at Kyiv, sent in VDV paratroopers behind enemy lines, columns of tanks and riot policemen...in order to retreat to the high ground?
They captured Kherson in February of 2022, dug miles of trenches, and then got ousted in the summer when Ukraine attacked...because they wanted to retreat to high ground on the other side of the river? which is just as fucking flat as Kherson?
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-here-forever-putin-ally-andrei-turchak-kherson-1704311
"I wanted to say once again, addressing the residents of the Kherson region, that Russia is here forever. There should be no doubt about that," Senator Andrei Turchak, United Russia's general council secretary, said Friday. "There will be no return to the past. We will live together, develop this rich area—rich in historical heritage, rich in our people who live here."
I guess they wanted to control that region for a little bit, but then the high ground came calling.
Meanwhile, in Kharkiv, the second largest Ukranian city less than 100 miles from the Russian border....
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/12/ukraines-counterattack-around-kharkiv-inflicts-defeat-on-russia.html
Oh wow...looks like I was wrong. Kharkiv is an entire 30 fucking miles from the Russian border. And Russian got its ass annihilated and had to completely retreat back across their own border.
https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/87900
https://www.reuters.com/business/me...dia-grapples-with-kharkiv-defeats-2022-09-12/
""A most difficult week on the front," presenter Dmitry Kiselyov said at the opening of his prime time Sunday night program.
Under a studio backdrop reading “Regrouping”, Kiselyov said that Russian forces had abandoned “previously liberated settlements" under pressure from "superior enemy forces”.
In a rare show of dissent, Boris Nadezhdin, a former liberal politician and regular talk show guest said on the Gazprom-owned NTV channel, that Putin had been misled by advisers into thinking that Ukraine would quickly surrender, and urged immediate peace talks to end the conflict."
@pawz I can't emphasize this enough. You do not know what you are talking about. You are ignorant.
