Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?

[46XiJCAB]

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

Embarrassing venture into the tug.

I'm 100% right on this topic.

Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.

You clearly have not listened to any former military personnel talk about Russia’s overall approach to this war. Starting with their initial incursion. Which was encouraged by Joey.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.

The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.

The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.

Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.

Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

Embarrassing venture into the tug.

I'm 100% right on this topic.

Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.

You clearly have not listened to any former military personnel talk about Russia’s overall approach to this war. Starting with their initial incursion. Which was encouraged by Joey.

I have listened to plenty. The consensus is that this had been a disaster for Russia and they are absolutely fucked.
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-says-russia-has-lost-the-ukraine-war-2023-2
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...of-key-battle-tanks-analysts-estimate-ukraine
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/13/russia-putin-war-ukraine-disaster/
https://nypost.com/2023/01/20/russi...ore-than-100000-casualties-in-ukraine-milley/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-group-mercenaries-uk-ministry-defence-update

 

[46XiJCAB]

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

Embarrassing venture into the tug.

I'm 100% right on this topic.

Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.

So how much more money and time is required to get this big ROI payoff?

Time? As long as it takes until Russia fucks off, hopefully for good.

I get the monetary concerns, but this is a country that wasted trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan. As opposed to something like Iraq this is actually a good use of military funds. Again - most of the shit we are supplying them with is yesterday's news like HIMARS, Bradleys, and Abrams

Word on the street is that Putin isn't doing very well, health wise. One way or the other he doesn't survive for much longer after this clusterfuck.

I’ve heard Putin was on his death bed since this thing started. The South Vietnamese just needed more equipment. Same shit different day.

 

[Bob_C]

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.

The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.

The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.

Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.

Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.

The same band of deep state fuckups that royally miscalculated Ukraine in 2014 are at it again. They’re right this time though.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.

The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.

The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.

Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.

Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.

The same band of deep state fuckups that royally miscalculated Ukraine in 2014 are at it again. They’re right this time though.

Those dipshits said this war would be over in a week and that Zelensky should flee while he still could. How did that go?

 

[46XiJCAB]

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

Embarrassing venture into the tug.

I'm 100% right on this topic.

Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.

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Jesus Fucking Christ.

Open your eyes man. IDGAF about 'surplus'. I DO GAF about some mad man on his deathbed (allegedly) being backed into a corner with a nuclear arsenal of 4500 nukes.

And fuck that bullshit about 'democracy' in Ukraine. Those corrupt fucks invented shady elections. Where do you think Dominion got their practice hacking voting machines?

I suppose you also think COVID start in a wet bat market and the vaccine will prevent transmission and save granny.

Pressing

If Russia nukes the world go ahead and gloat. It's not going to happen.

Covid 100% came from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. Nice try though

Pressing what? Statistics and probability?

You deny that Russia has a nuclear arsenal of at least 4500 warheads?

You are 100% confident that Putin won't launch ANY of them?

Russia is not going to launch nukes. Take all the screenshots you need.

The probability of that happening is near 0.

So, Putin just lets the Crimea go. Don't think so. I think he gets a risk free use of tactical nukes. If the Ukraine is worth it, let the Germans pay the price. Europe doesn't think it is worth the price so phuck em.

Russia is never leaving Crimea. More of the Ukraine fantasyland talk. Can we get a Aircraft Carrier battle group in there?

 

[Bob_C]

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.

The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.

The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.

Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.

Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.

The same band of deep state fuckups that royally miscalculated Ukraine in 2014 are at it again. They’re right this time though.

Those dipshits said this war would be over in a week and that Zelensky should flee while he still could. How did that go?

So they miscalculated again it sounds like. They are bound to have the right strategy this time.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

Embarrassing venture into the tug.

I'm 100% right on this topic.

Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.

So how much more money and time is required to get this big ROI payoff?

Time? As long as it takes until Russia fucks off, hopefully for good.

I get the monetary concerns, but this is a country that wasted trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan. As opposed to something like Iraq this is actually a good use of military funds. Again - most of the shit we are supplying them with is yesterday's news like HIMARS, Bradleys, and Abrams

Word on the street is that Putin isn't doing very well, health wise. One way or the other he doesn't survive for much longer after this clusterfuck.

I’ve heard Putin was on his death bed since this thing started. The South Vietnamese just needed more equipment. Same shit different day.

The South Vietnamese were totally inept. Ukraine has proven itself to be anything but.

Also, the North Vietnamese are 100 times the tacticians the Russians are today. They were badasses that fought the US hard, kicked Pol Pot's ass, then turned around and kicked China's ass. \

The US should never have been in Nam. Apples and oranges.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.

The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.

The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.

Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?

This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.

Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.

No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.

God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.

Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.

Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.

Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.

Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.

Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.

The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.

The same band of deep state fuckups that royally miscalculated Ukraine in 2014 are at it again. They’re right this time though.

Those dipshits said this war would be over in a week and that Zelensky should flee while he still could. How did that go?

So they miscalculated again it sounds like. They are bound to have the right strategy this time.

Why is it so hard for you guys to admit that all of the miscalculations in the world, none was bigger and worse than Russia's?

Admit it. Russia is pathetic.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.

If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.

Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.

Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere

The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.

Embarrassing venture into the tug.

I'm 100% right on this topic.

Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.

Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.

The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.

Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.

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Jesus Fucking Christ.

Open your eyes man. IDGAF about 'surplus'. I DO GAF about some mad man on his deathbed (allegedly) being backed into a corner with a nuclear arsenal of 4500 nukes.

And fuck that bullshit about 'democracy' in Ukraine. Those corrupt fucks invented shady elections. Where do you think Dominion got their practice hacking voting machines?

I suppose you also think COVID start in a wet bat market and the vaccine will prevent transmission and save granny.

Pressing

If Russia nukes the world go ahead and gloat. It's not going to happen.

Covid 100% came from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. Nice try though

Pressing what? Statistics and probability?

You deny that Russia has a nuclear arsenal of at least 4500 warheads?

You are 100% confident that Putin won't launch ANY of them?

Russia is not going to launch nukes. Take all the screenshots you need.

The probability of that happening is near 0.

So, Putin just lets the Crimea go. Don't think so. I think he gets a risk free use of tactical nukes. If the Ukraine is worth it, let the Germans pay the price. Europe doesn't think it is worth the price so phuck em.

Russia is never leaving Crimea. More of the Ukraine fantasyland talk. Can we get a Aircraft Carrier battle group in there?

Is this kind of like when Putin said that "Kherson is Russia", rigged the elections there, and then got his ass kicked out of the entire region?

 

[46XiJCAB]

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).

Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.

But but DEMOCRACY!

They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours.

Find someone here that has a problem with Ukrainians dying defending their country. The question is how much involvement do you want by the US?

Enough that like all of these proxy wars, we get to the place where your fellow travelers start telling us why US Troops are necessary to “defend democracy” where one doesn’t exist?

 

[RaceBannon]

You don't defend democracy by jailing opponents and banning churches and opposition parties

Zelensky is a gutless punk hiding behind the EU bitch while his people die

Wake the fuck up

Holy fuck you are so fucking stupid. Suck Russia's dick harder. Those people getting jailed, those opposition parties, and the Russian Orthodox churches were supporting the fucking invasion.

Russia literally had sympathizers in the mayor of Kherson and the local Ukranian general, who allowed the Russian military to waltz right into the city. Russia couldn't even hold on to that city.

For the record, if Trump won a second term I 100% believe this shitshow never happens. Trump did not fuck around, it was amazing when he blew Iran's general the fuck up. Trump would have told Putin to fuck right off and Putin would have listened.

Why do you keep talking about Russia. Biden voter

Because Zelensky and Ukraine are no better

Fuck em all

America first

Zelensky and Ukraine are a million times better than Russia.

Russia is a has been bully that has got away with its bullshit for far too long. Obama did fucking nothing in 2014 when Russia waltzed into Crimea, it was pathetic.

Finally the US has grown some nuts regarding the situation, and dumb fucks like you are towing the line for a genocidal midget maniac.

It's honestly pathetic how ignorant you are on the topic. Educate yourself or shut the fuck up.

Why didn't your boy protect democracy in Afghanistan?

Dumbass Biden voter

The establishment needs morons. Thank you for your service

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).

Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.

But but DEMOCRACY!

They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours.

Find someone here that has a problem with Ukrainians dying defending their country. The question is how much involvement do you want by the US?

Enough that like all of these proxy wars, we get to the place where your fellow travelers start telling us why US Troops are necessary to “defend democracy” where one doesn’t exist?

I am completely okay with the status quo here. The US and NATO do the supplying, the Ukrainians and Russias are doing the dying.

At no point in the current situation will the US even fathom putting boots on the ground.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

You don't defend democracy by jailing opponents and banning churches and opposition parties

Zelensky is a gutless punk hiding behind the EU bitch while his people die

Wake the fuck up

Holy fuck you are so fucking stupid. Suck Russia's dick harder. Those people getting jailed, those opposition parties, and the Russian Orthodox churches were supporting the fucking invasion.

Russia literally had sympathizers in the mayor of Kherson and the local Ukranian general, who allowed the Russian military to waltz right into the city. Russia couldn't even hold on to that city.

For the record, if Trump won a second term I 100% believe this shitshow never happens. Trump did not fuck around, it was amazing when he blew Iran's general the fuck up. Trump would have told Putin to fuck right off and Putin would have listened.

Why do you keep talking about Russia. Biden voter

Because Zelensky and Ukraine are no better

Fuck em all

America first

Zelensky and Ukraine are a million times better than Russia.

Russia is a has been bully that has got away with its bullshit for far too long. Obama did fucking nothing in 2014 when Russia waltzed into Crimea, it was pathetic.

Finally the US has grown some nuts regarding the situation, and dumb fucks like you are towing the line for a genocidal midget maniac.

It's honestly pathetic how ignorant you are on the topic. Educate yourself or shut the fuck up.

Why didn't your boy protect democracy in Afghanistan?

Dumbass Biden voter

The establishment needs morons. Thank you for your service

Race, I generally like you, but sometime you are a complete fucking retard. Like right now.

I didn't vote for Biden, the Afghanistan decision was fucking retarded, and you are incapable of nuance.

Educate yourself and then try again.

 

[46XiJCAB]

damn you guys are retarded

Nice argument shit for brains

Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subject

You guys are retarded

Really sold it fuckwad

Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.

Appeasing Russia is not good policy.

I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheads

Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy

Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit

How is Zelensky a piece of shit?

This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.

Why don't you do some fucking basic research?

The burden of proof is on you.

Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.

Your idol Putin, not so much.

This is just FS shit right here.

 

[46XiJCAB]

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.

The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.

The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.

Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.

But Putin is on his death bed so why would he go out in a nuclear confab. Oops!

 

[RaceBannon]

US advisors are already there

Arming Ukraine is an act of war

You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

damn you guys are retarded

Nice argument shit for brains

Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subject

You guys are retarded

Really sold it fuckwad

Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.

Appeasing Russia is not good policy.

I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheads

Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy

Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit

How is Zelensky a piece of shit?

This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.

Why don't you do some fucking basic research?

The burden of proof is on you.

Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.

Your idol Putin, not so much.

This is just FS shit right here.

only the most mouth breathing conservatives can't see it for what it is.

conservatives with an IQ over 75, like PGOS, can call a spade a spade.

 

[RaceBannon]

Here's your boy
http://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1626635527716732948?t=jbGTFrxLPoy2A3EwrRoLWA&s=19

Fuck off