Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?

[46XiJCAB]

Someone has failed to grasp that some of us are not at our first rodeo.

When you can’t address what you’re being challenged with, you just poast FS shit like “Putin cocksuckers.”

This thread has become a one person virtue signaling parade for 40 pages now.

Give peace a chance. I remember when that was cool and not a sign of appeasement.

Christ.

Bot and I have tried to help you see through the bullshit. We have posted a TON of information from a ton of different sources.

And we are the ones in denial?

Fuck off.

I didn’t name names.

When you can’t see the difference between Team America and conflicts like WWI and WWII I don’t know what to tell you.

I’ve had enough of your “3000+ Russian tanks destroyed” sources.

I’m rooting for peace. You’re believing the BS that this will weaken Putin. Remember when the Left mocked Romney in 2012 for saying Russia was our greatest threat?

Where did they all go?

Chickenhawks can't cheer for peace.

No profit in pacifism.

When you're on team Billy (will shill for food) Kristol, you're on the wrong GD team. Every single time.

 

[46XiJCAB]

Mostly peaceful chickenhawk.

It's only Czechoslovakia. Surely Hitler will stop there. No way he goes for Poland.

Russia is getting SHREDDED by Ukriane

Hope this helps

They are, it is the equivalent of Poland beating back Germany in WW2

No it's not. Poland was never in a position to beat back Germany. The Oregon blitzkrieg was new to warfare.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Mostly peaceful chickenhawk.

It's only Czechoslovakia. Surely Hitler will stop there. No way he goes for Poland.

Russia is getting SHREDDED by Ukriane

Hope this helps

They are, it is the equivalent of Poland beating back Germany in WW2

So nothing to worry about then

thanks

True but it's only been possible due to arms support and advising.

Which many here are staunchly against for some reason.

Your great victory at Kiev was way before anything material got there.

US had been advising and supplying then with things like javelins for a long time

Yes and now we're short of all that stuff and production isn't what it used top be and will take years to catch up. Better hope China doesn't want to jump.

Javelins are old as shit dude. 80s

If the US is using javelins on China its because Chinese tanks are rolling around in Gorst.

In short, not gonna happen

Lot's of military sh*t is from the 1980s or earlier. M1 Tank 1980. F-16s that Ukraine wants 1978. B-52s 1955. The Javelin anti-tank missile was introduced in 1996. Other than that, you pretty much didn't make any point or sense at all.

None of that shit is part of the modern US arsenal except for maybe[/i] some Abrams that are so upgraded they don't even resemble the old shit. Abrams are in the process of getting phased out.

You probably think the M16 is cutting edge.

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Mostly peaceful chickenhawk.

It's only Czechoslovakia. Surely Hitler will stop there. No way he goes for Poland.

Russia is getting SHREDDED by Ukriane

Hope this helps

They are, it is the equivalent of Poland beating back Germany in WW2

So nothing to worry about then

thanks

True but it's only been possible due to arms support and advising.

Which many here are staunchly against for some reason.

Your great victory at Kiev was way before anything material got there.

US had been advising and supplying then with things like javelins for a long time

Yes and now we're short of all that stuff and production isn't what it used top be and will take years to catch up. Better hope China doesn't want to jump.

Javelins are old as shit dude. 80s

If the US is using javelins on China its because Chinese tanks are rolling around in Gorst.

In short, not gonna happen

Dimwitty, even arty shell stocks are way down and production way behind. javelins aren't new but they are frontline weapons for infantry. Quit making excuses for your cause celeb. We do not need a world war. HTH

There isnt a world war. Not even close to one.

Hth

Then why are 'we' there?

It's a regional skirmish, Domino.

Same as it ever was. Back to the 9th Century.

"we" aren't there.

"we" have some weapons there. "we" have been advising and have companies like Palantir providing intel.

"we" hope this helps

 

[46XiJCAB]

Mostly peaceful chickenhawk.

It's only Czechoslovakia. Surely Hitler will stop there. No way he goes for Poland.

Russia is getting SHREDDED by Ukriane

Hope this helps

They are, it is the equivalent of Poland beating back Germany in WW2

So nothing to worry about then

thanks

True but it's only been possible due to arms support and advising.

Which many here are staunchly against for some reason.

Your great victory at Kiev was way before anything material got there.

US had been advising and supplying then with things like javelins for a long time

Yes and now we're short of all that stuff and production isn't what it used top be and will take years to catch up. Better hope China doesn't want to jump.

Javelins are old as shit dude. 80s

If the US is using javelins on China its because Chinese tanks are rolling around in Gorst.

In short, not gonna happen

Dimwitty, even arty shell stocks are way down and production way behind. javelins aren't new but they are frontline weapons for infantry. Quit making excuses for your cause celeb. We do not need a world war. HTH

There isnt a world war. Not even close to one.

Hth

Then why are 'we' there?

It's a regional skirmish, Domino.

Same as it ever was. Back to the 9th Century.

"we" aren't there.

"we" have some weapons there. "we" have been advising and have companies like Palantir providing intel.

"we" hope this helps

Cute word play.

"We" are sending taxpayer dollars.

"We" are by extension there.

 

[WestlinnDuck]

Mostly peaceful chickenhawk.

It's only Czechoslovakia. Surely Hitler will stop there. No way he goes for Poland.

Russia is getting SHREDDED by Ukriane

Hope this helps

They are, it is the equivalent of Poland beating back Germany in WW2

So nothing to worry about then

thanks

True but it's only been possible due to arms support and advising.

Which many here are staunchly against for some reason.

Your great victory at Kiev was way before anything material got there.

US had been advising and supplying then with things like javelins for a long time

Yes and now we're short of all that stuff and production isn't what it used top be and will take years to catch up. Better hope China doesn't want to jump.

Javelins are old as shit dude. 80s

If the US is using javelins on China its because Chinese tanks are rolling around in Gorst.

In short, not gonna happen

Lot's of military sh*t is from the 1980s or earlier. M1 Tank 1980. F-16s that Ukraine wants 1978. B-52s 1955. The Javelin anti-tank missile was introduced in 1996. Other than that, you pretty much didn't make any point or sense at all.

None of that shit is part of the modern US arsenal except for maybe[/i] some Abrams that are so upgraded they don't even resemble the old shit. Abrams are in the process of getting phased out.

You probably think the M16 is cutting edge.

You probably think that the strawman is cutting ass. You think we sent 1996 javelins to the Ukraine? And its not from the 80s. All of our stuff if upgraded. On a B-52 there probably isn't an original bolt on the plane, but we still use it. Same with the F-16s the Ukrainians want. Your original point is that we are sending out of date equipment. We aren't and the stuff we are sending will need to be replaced. We are years from replacing the MI.

 

[Sledog]

Mostly peaceful chickenhawk.

It's only Czechoslovakia. Surely Hitler will stop there. No way he goes for Poland.

Russia is getting SHREDDED by Ukriane

Hope this helps

They are, it is the equivalent of Poland beating back Germany in WW2

So nothing to worry about then

thanks

True but it's only been possible due to arms support and advising.

Which many here are staunchly against for some reason.

Your great victory at Kiev was way before anything material got there.

US had been advising and supplying then with things like javelins for a long time

Yes and now we're short of all that stuff and production isn't what it used top be and will take years to catch up. Better hope China doesn't want to jump.

Javelins are old as shit dude. 80s

If the US is using javelins on China its because Chinese tanks are rolling around in Gorst.

In short, not gonna happen

Dimwitty, even arty shell stocks are way down and production way behind. javelins aren't new but they are frontline weapons for infantry. Quit making excuses for your cause celeb. We do not need a world war. HTH

There isnt a world war. Not even close to one.

Hth

Then why are 'we' there?

It's a regional skirmish, Domino.

Same as it ever was. Back to the 9th Century.

"we" aren't there.

"we" have some weapons there. "we" have been advising and have companies like Palantir providing intel.

"we" hope this helps

It is cutting edge. It's just 4" shorter barrel with a collapsible stock. A simple barrel and stok swap and it's same same. Front line in the entire military right now. New gun not in service yet. You are stupid.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.

Welcome to 2015 Hillary

Get some new material

Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly

Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails

2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news

Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history

Not under Trump

If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue

Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump

I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick

It all fake news. Hello?

No shit. We agree on Trump.

If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on

So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?

It's all fucking fake.

What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...[/i][/b]

The isnt the first rodeo

Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic

How so?

Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.

Who has defended anything that Russia has done?

A good number of people in this thread

Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.

Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.

Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place

Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion

Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia

All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.

No one but a select few buys it

Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.

Disagree.

Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops

Hope this helps.

It doesn't.

Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.

And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying

If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?

This is what Bot and I have been saying

It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.

You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.

Ok they had the lesson now lets negotiate a damn end to this so innocents on both sides stop dying... this song describes it best...

Just surrender the Rhineland comrade. It's the proper thing to do... for peace.

In 2022 Ukraine and Russia were making significant progress in negotiating an end to this War. The key was Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO ambitions. Boris Johnson flew to Ukraine and blew it up. Why won't either you or PGOS address this?

Why does Russia have the right to dictate a sovereign nation's alliances under the threat of invasion and violence?

Use your big boy words.

Let’s say, for the sake of discussion, Mexico joined an alliance with a China or a Russia. Then let’s say that 3rd party decided to put weapons systems on our southern border.

How would you expect the US to respond? Would you support, say, South Africa saying the US has no right to dictate Mexico’s alliances?

Run me through the thought-tree there. TIA.

This is what about ism.[/i][/b] Hth.

But let's play the game. Why would Mexico want to align itself with either Russia or ChYnA?

No, it is not. It is a principled analogy based on a principle you espoused that “[x-country does not] have the right to dictate a sovereign nation's alliances under the threat of invasion and violence[/i]?”

Please to be defending said principle, or give valid reasons why y-variable might justifiably cause a deviation from principle.

Thank you.

It is, in that regardless of how the US would act, it is a principle. [/i][/b]That's the definition of what about ism.

ATBS, I said I would play, now explain, why would Mexico want to align itself with either of those countries(existing) alliances?

Hypocrisy.

You can't move on to discussing the terms of y-variable when you haven't set the predicate for why, or how, a deviation from x-principle might be justified.

No country or man can pass the "he who has not sinned casts the first stone" test. That doesn't make right or wrong any less a thing.

Unless your a moral relativist but I doubt that's your position.

This is textbook whataboutism. Again, I've been arguing with Kremlin and CCP trolls for 20+ years now.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America

The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere

Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle

Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult

Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies

Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang

It all matters for a long walk to get perspective

America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.

My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.

You can disagree.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

So is the Ukraine shredding this week or strategically losing?

Hard to keep track

Russia is inching closer to...capturing the 57th biggest city in Ukraine

Battles aren't fought over the population of the citizens, they are fought for strategic geographic positions in order to win the next battle.

@PurpleThrobber doesn't want to take Vantage for the campgrounds.

Sure.gif

Nothing strategic about Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv

Explain the strategic importance of...bakhmut

Strategic enough for Zelensky to throw thousands of soldiers there to die. I’ll take his word for it.

They held off Russia for 9 months there.

Whether or not they use the opportunity to counter attack soon will make or break that decision

Thanks for making my point. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have fought for 9 months.

Why not? Theyve bled the Russians on a scale of 5 to 1 and tied up a lot of Russias best troops there

They are going to counter attack soon. Lipo

Tbf the Ukrainians need like 8 to 1 to successfully break the red army.

Both sides are hoping this battle will attrition the other into oblivion.

The Ukrainians hope that they kill enough Russians to destroy both political and strategic support.

And the Russians are hoping to force the Ukrainians into a single point defense that saps them of their professional troops.

Either way the US wins imo.

 

[RaceBannon]

I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America

The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere

Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle

Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult

Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies

Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang

It all matters for a long walk to get perspective

America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.

My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.

You can disagree.

I came to the thought today that old school covert support would be fine

It's the grandstanding and all the morons crowing about how America and Europe need to do whatever it takes.

Just the worst fucking people. Literally like Putin

Not my team. No longer my country

 

[RaceBannon]

And the US understood that The Soviets feeling safe was part of keeping from war. Just like us they will react to malarkey close to home

Hell FDR and Truman gave them eastern Europe. Who cares about Ukraine

 

[WestlinnDuck]

I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America

The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere

Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle

Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult

Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies

Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang

It all matters for a long walk to get perspective

America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.

My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.

You can disagree.

And yet you can't tell us why it is in our interest to strategically support the Ukraine. And when I hear the dementia patient tell me "for as long as it takes" I translate that as another forever war. If Europe doesn't want to protect itself, then I'll take a pass on being their chump.

 

[Bob_C]

I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America

The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere

Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle

Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult

Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies

Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang

It all matters for a long walk to get perspective

America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.

My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.

You can disagree.

And yet you can't tell us why it is in our interest to strategically support the Ukraine. And when I hear the dementia patient tell me "for as long as it takes" I translate that as another forever war. If Europe doesn't want to protect itself, then I'll take a pass on being their chump.

Biden must have a clock in his head, I get why he doesn’t share what it is. PGOS is under no such restraints so to diplomacy and leverage, yet he has no clock in his head. Whatever it takes.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America

The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere

Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle

Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult

Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies

Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang

It all matters for a long walk to get perspective

America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.

My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.

You can disagree.

I came to the thought today that old school covert support would be fine

It's the grandstanding and all the morons crowing about how America and Europe need to do whatever it takes.

Just the worst fucking people. Literally like Putin

Not my team. No longer my country

Mostly agree. I see more Ukrainian flags than American ones which in and of itself is a fucking disgrace.

100% the establishment is using this for propaganda and pork. No argument from me there.

I just see Russia getting it's proverbial nuts kicked in repeatedly as a win for the USA.

Also FDR was a fucking communist, of course he gave up Europe. He would have given up the US had he lived.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

I'm pro American unlike PGOS so when I engage in whataboutism it's to make a point, not condemn America

The US has a long standing no malarkey rule for the western hemisphere

Grenada, where we called in Clint Eastwood, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, and Chile among others have met the CIA when the Soviets meddle

Cuba was lost and democrats started supporting the Sandinista and Venezuela commies which makes things more difficult

Note that the democrats party has not been outlawed even though they support our enemies

Nobody was easier on the Soviets than Teddy and the gang

It all matters for a long walk to get perspective

America, like every country ever, has interests. It deviates in that it's interests are guided by principles to some degree rather than binary self interest.

My argument is that it's in our interest to strategically, and marginally, support Ukraine.

You can disagree.

And yet you can't tell us why it is in our interest to strategically support the Ukraine. And when I hear the dementia patient tell me "for as long as it takes" I translate that as another forever war. If Europe doesn't want to protect itself, then I'll take a pass on being their chump.

Except I have, you just don't want to hear it.

 

[Goduckies]

So is the Ukraine shredding this week or strategically losing?

Hard to keep track

Russia is inching closer to...capturing the 57th biggest city in Ukraine

Battles aren't fought over the population of the citizens, they are fought for strategic geographic positions in order to win the next battle.

@PurpleThrobber doesn't want to take Vantage for the campgrounds.

Sure.gif

Nothing strategic about Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv

Explain the strategic importance of...bakhmut

Strategic enough for Zelensky to throw thousands of soldiers there to die. I’ll take his word for it.

They held off Russia for 9 months there.

Whether or not they use the opportunity to counter attack soon will make or break that decision

Thanks for making my point. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have fought for 9 months.

Why not? Theyve bled the Russians on a scale of 5 to 1 and tied up a lot of Russias best troops there

They are going to counter attack soon. Lipo

Tbf the Ukrainians need like 8 to 1 to successfully break the red army.

Both sides are hoping this battle will attrition the other into oblivion.

The Ukrainians hope that they kill enough Russians to destroy both political and strategic support.

And the Russians are hoping to force the Ukrainians into a single point defense that saps them of their professional troops.

Either way the US wins imo.

But innocents will die.

 

[trublue]

Smooth brain takes from both of you.

The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?

Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.

We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.

Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.

China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.

The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?

If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.

This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.

No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.

[/b]

Mostly peaceful chickenhawk.

It's only Czechoslovakia. Surely Hitler will stop there. No way he goes for Poland.

Russia is getting SHREDDED by Ukriane

Hope this helps

They are, it is the equivalent of Poland beating back Germany in WW2

So nothing to worry about then

thanks

True but it's only been possible due to arms support and advising.

Which many here are staunchly against for some reason.

Your great victory at Kiev was way before anything material got there.

US had been advising and supplying then with things like javelins for a long time

Yes and now we're short of all that stuff and production isn't what it used top be and will take years to catch up. Better hope China doesn't want to jump.

Javelins are old as shit dude. 80s

If the US is using javelins on China its because Chinese tanks are rolling around in Gorst.

In short, not gonna happen

Dimwitty, even arty shell stocks are way down and production way behind. javelins aren't new but they are frontline weapons for infantry. Quit making excuses for your cause celeb. We do not need a world war. HTH

There isnt a world war. Not even close to one.

Hth

Sorry, Dude. We old folks ask a few questions before getting involved in undeclared wars.

58,000 young men died in Vietnam (many draftees) and a large number of them were lower middle class folks. And it was all based upon a lie (the alleged attack in the Gulf of Tonkin).

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

So is the Ukraine shredding this week or strategically losing?

Hard to keep track

Russia is inching closer to...capturing the 57th biggest city in Ukraine

Battles aren't fought over the population of the citizens, they are fought for strategic geographic positions in order to win the next battle.

@PurpleThrobber doesn't want to take Vantage for the campgrounds.

Sure.gif

Nothing strategic about Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv

Explain the strategic importance of...bakhmut

Strategic enough for Zelensky to throw thousands of soldiers there to die. I’ll take his word for it.

They held off Russia for 9 months there.

Whether or not they use the opportunity to counter attack soon will make or break that decision

Thanks for making my point. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have fought for 9 months.

Why not? Theyve bled the Russians on a scale of 5 to 1 and tied up a lot of Russias best troops there

They are going to counter attack soon. Lipo

Tbf the Ukrainians need like 8 to 1 to successfully break the red army.

Both sides are hoping this battle will attrition the other into oblivion.

The Ukrainians hope that they kill enough Russians to destroy both political and strategic support.

And the Russians are hoping to force the Ukrainians into a single point defense that saps them of their professional troops.

Either way the US wins imo.

But innocents will die.

Innocents are dying either way.

Plenty of evidence of the red army doing its typical historical things right now in the Ukraine to any one who isn't Russian. This might be as bad if not morally worse than the Holodomor.

 

[PurpleThrobber]

So is the Ukraine shredding this week or strategically losing?

Hard to keep track

Russia is inching closer to...capturing the 57th biggest city in Ukraine

Battles aren't fought over the population of the citizens, they are fought for strategic geographic positions in order to win the next battle.

@PurpleThrobber doesn't want to take Vantage for the campgrounds.

Sure.gif

Nothing strategic about Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv

Explain the strategic importance of...bakhmut

Strategic enough for Zelensky to throw thousands of soldiers there to die. I’ll take his word for it.

They held off Russia for 9 months there.

Whether or not they use the opportunity to counter attack soon will make or break that decision

Thanks for making my point. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have fought for 9 months.

Why not? Theyve bled the Russians on a scale of 5 to 1 and tied up a lot of Russias best troops there

They are going to counter attack soon. Lipo

Tbf the Ukrainians need like 8 to 1 to successfully break the red army.

Both sides are hoping this battle will attrition the other into oblivion.

The Ukrainians hope that they kill enough Russians to destroy both political and strategic support.

And the Russians are hoping to force the Ukrainians into a single point defense that saps them of their professional troops.

Either way the US wins imo.

But innocents will die.

Innocents are dying either way.

Plenty of evidence of the red army doing its typical historical things right now in the Ukraine to any one who isn't Russian. This might be as bad if not morally worse than the Holodomor.

Both sides are committing atrocities.

It's war. It's not our war but it's war.

Which is all the more reason we shouldn't be there enabling half of the carnage - in the name of profit and DEMOCRACY!

Not our fight. Not even remotely.