PostGameOrangeSlices
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Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Embarrassing venture into the tug.
I'm 100% right on this topic.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
You clearly have not listened to any former military personnel talk about Russia’s overall approach to this war. Starting with their initial incursion. Which was encouraged by Joey.
I have listened to plenty. The consensus is that this had been a disaster for Russia and they are absolutely fucked.
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-says-russia-has-lost-the-ukraine-war-2023-2
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...of-key-battle-tanks-analysts-estimate-ukraine
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/13/russia-putin-war-ukraine-disaster/
https://nypost.com/2023/01/20/russi...ore-than-100000-casualties-in-ukraine-milley/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-group-mercenaries-uk-ministry-defence-update
The consensus[/i][/b] has been categorically wrong for over 6 years now.
You keep lapping it up, boy.
Obstinate.
This has been 3-4 times deadlier for Russia in one year than for the US in entirety of the War in Vientam[/i]
let that sink in
I heard that the Ghost of Kiev personally killed thousands...
Hold on a sec there, turbo. Sure, there are lots of casualties and deaths, but those are based on estimates, satellite imagery, and there's no reason for anyone to distort the numbers, is there? I mean, we just gotta trust them.
The head of Wagner posted this today. In one area of the front:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRus...v_prigozhin_publishes_photo_of_wagner_kia_in/
Haven't you been chastising people for their sources?
Not really, for the most part Ive been posting sources to support my arguments.
Your @Sources think you are a Rube.
Hope this helps.
@PostGameOrangeSlices
Your sources are a few hot takes on youtube podcasts.
The evidence is clear. This isnt some grand conspiracy.
This is Russia starting a land war in Europe in 2023 for greed and ego
Russia thought they saw weakness in the West and an opportunity to strike. After all, after Crimea, the Donbas, Georgia, and Chechnya, why wouldnt this work out?
Turns out their table top battle plans shit the fucking bed.
VDV massacred at Hostomel airport. Flagship battleship sunk. Cannot even fly planes into Ukrainian territory, and that was before Western anti air started arriving.
It's one of the worst military blunders of all time.
Putin lives in an information bubble of his own creation. He believed his own propaganda that those elite VDV paratroopers would be welcomed as liberators.
Our own leadership is in the process of creating a similar echo chamber capable of similar historic blunders.
Yup. They expected a Special Military Operation resulting in Zelensky fleeing or dead, the collapse of the Ukranian Army, and parades in Kyiv within a weeks time.
Russian command had called in and booked meals at restaurants in Kyiv. Columns of riot police were on their way to instill law and order.
They ended up like this:

Too little infantry and air support, too many Ukranians on the flanks with anti-armor.
It is honestly one of the worst blunders of all time.





