Big Ten Football: Oregon, Washington again in the rumors crosshairs

[AtomicDawg]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

The academics justification bs is a favorite pastime of uw and a few other institutions in the pac 12 for not trying in athletics.

Allegedly the big 10 already pursued oregon instead of ucla in the latest poaching which if true ends academic smack talk.

 

[Canadawg]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

The academics justification bs is a favorite pastime of uw and a few other institutions in the pac 12 for not trying in athletics.

Allegedly the big 10 already pursued oregon instead of ucla in the latest poaching which if[/b] true ends academic smack talk.

 

[YellowSnow]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

@creepycoug if I went to a Public Ivy, why am I so pour?

 

[creepycoug]

I'm surprised at the resurgence of the UW reflexive appeal to academics during a pre-season natty campaign. That usually happens when there is a feeling that big-time winning is in the rearview mirror. But once the term 'classy' re-enters the building, watch out!

I really don't have skin in this game, and if anything it's with Washington, which is clearly the better school all around, and from which I have more degrees than 99% of you. But this idea that you're comparing Stanford to the University of Montana doesn't quite hold up.

Washington reports better test scores historically, but that means nothing now because both schools are test optional. That said Washington's 25th, 50th and 75th ACT Composite of 27, 30 and 34 are better than Oregon's 24, 27 and 30. And UW's avg. admitted student GPA of 3.83 is better than Oregon's 3.76. Interestingly, though, the CDS shows the following distributions:

Oregon


Washington


Washington has more money at $99,000 per student to Oregon's $61,000 per. Neither figure is dazzling on a national level. Since Oregon broke away from the retarded State Higher Ed board, they have been fundraising (and building) like crazy. Watch out!

Class sizes will invariably favor Oregon, with some of UW's survey courses no longer fitting in Kane Hall, behind which I received my beating from 5 guys with letterman jackets. @YellowSnow knows who these guys are.

Of course, Washington is a research behemoth and outspends many, many, many universities across the country that are otherwise viewed as their academic equal or superior. Not sure what to make of that other than it's cool for UW.

Both schools are members of the AAU (Beav and Boof are not). Washington is more "spikey" with some departments ranking among the best of the best. Campus favors Washington, but then again, UW has the nicest campus in the conference and it's not really close.

This is not, to me, some issue with Oregon not being prestigious enough, and the fat and pasty people in the midwest confusing UW with Stanford. It's fun to run that narrative, but it's unlikely.

Here is the executive summary of all that word vomit: if this were an academic play, Cal and Furd get the next two spots and Oregon and Washington are afterthoughts. Football puts asses in the seats and gets the TV revenue. That's what is at issue here.

 

[haie]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

The academics justification bs is a favorite pastime of uw and a few other institutions in the pac 12 for not trying in athletics.

Allegedly the big 10 already pursued oregon instead of ucla in the latest poaching which if true ends academic smack talk.

That's bullshit. Oregon had no clue.

They asked SC who they would want and they wanted their cross town rival.

 

[creepycoug]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

The academics justification bs is a favorite pastime of uw and a few other institutions in the pac 12 for not trying in athletics.

Allegedly the big 10 already pursued oregon instead of ucla in the latest poaching which if true ends academic smack talk.

That's bullshit. Oregon had no clue.

They asked SC who they would want and they wanted their cross town rival.

I doubt anyone here really knows.

 

[haie]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

The academics justification bs is a favorite pastime of uw and a few other institutions in the pac 12 for not trying in athletics.

Allegedly the big 10 already pursued oregon instead of ucla in the latest poaching which if true ends academic smack talk.

That's bullshit. Oregon had no clue.

They asked SC who they would want and they wanted their cross town rival.

I doubt anyone here really knows.

It's been printed multiple times that Oregon and Washington had no clue.

UCLA apologized to UW. No fucks were given about Oregon.

That rumor was floated by Arizona's president who's one of the biggest fucktards in this whole fuckfest.

 

[creepycoug]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

The academics justification bs is a favorite pastime of uw and a few other institutions in the pac 12 for not trying in athletics.

Allegedly the big 10 already pursued oregon instead of ucla in the latest poaching which if true ends academic smack talk.

That's bullshit. Oregon had no clue.

They asked SC who they would want and they wanted their cross town rival.

I doubt anyone here really knows.

It's been printed multiple times that Oregon and Washington had no clue.

UCLA apologized to UW. No fucks were given about Oregon.

That rumor was floated by Arizona's president who's one of the biggest fucktards in this whole fuckfest.

Ok, but I mean this in all sincerity, who cares? Who on earth cares that UCLA apologized to Washington and not Oregon? I mean, does that make anyone feel better? If so, then I guess it's great. But I'll say that this compelling need to be viewed as being in the neighborhood with this or that (better) school is unmanly. It's like the "USC respects us!" thing, and yes, that is a thing whether anyone likes to admit it or not. I just saw it on a thread here the other day, and it was serious.

My sense is that if one goes it will be in a combination of the two schools. I recognize that a lot of people would love it if the Big invited Stanford and Washington and left Oregon behind ... so that the academic smack could reach nuclear levels. Maybe that will happen and everyone can celebrate. I doubt it though. Rutgers, Indiana and Nebraska. Not exactly the Ivy League.

Edit: I meant that it's unlikely anyone here knows about what's happening next, and why. Not the SC departure. That is well documented.

 

[haie]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

The academics justification bs is a favorite pastime of uw and a few other institutions in the pac 12 for not trying in athletics.

Allegedly the big 10 already pursued oregon instead of ucla in the latest poaching which if true ends academic smack talk.

That's bullshit. Oregon had no clue.

They asked SC who they would want and they wanted their cross town rival.

I doubt anyone here really knows.

It's been printed multiple times that Oregon and Washington had no clue.

UCLA apologized to UW. No fucks were given about Oregon.

That rumor was floated by Arizona's president who's one of the biggest fucktards in this whole fuckfest.

Ok, but I mean this in all sincerity, who cares? Who on earth cares that UCLA apologized to Washington and not Oregon? I mean, does that make anyone feel better? If so, then I guess it's great. But I'll say that this compelling need to be viewed as being in the neighborhood with this or that (better) school is unmanly. It's like the "USC respects us!" thing, and yes, that is a thing whether anyone likes to admit it or not. I just saw it on a thread here the other day, and it was serious.

My sense is that if one goes it will be in a combination of the two schools. I recognize that a lot of people would love it if the Big invited Stanford and Washington and left Oregon behind ... so that the academic smack could reach nuclear levels. Maybe that will happen and everyone can celebrate. I doubt it though. Rutgers, Indiana and Nebraska. Not exactly the Ivy League.

Edit: I meant that it's unlikely anyone here knows about what's happening next, and why. Not the SC departure. That is well documented.

I'm just bringing it up.

The idea that Fox wanted Oregon with USC was just Arizona's dumb fuck president saying shit he was never even brought into in the first place. No one else is saying that.

Really it just goes back to the joke that is Arizona and Colorado, two of the worst football products in power 5, proclaiming that multiple leagues are fighting over them.

Either could be replaced by SDSU and it would be an upgrade and we would have e an excuse to go party in San Diego and sit in a brand new stadium.

 

[AtomicDawg]

I'm surprised at the resurgence of the UW reflexive appeal to academics during a pre-season natty campaign. That usually happens when there is a feeling that big-time winning is in the rearview mirror. But once the term 'classy' re-enters the building, watch out!

I really don't have skin in this game, and if anything it's with Washington, which is clearly the better school all around, and from which I have more degrees than 99% of you. But this idea that you're comparing Stanford to the University of Montana doesn't quite hold up.

Washington reports better test scores historically, but that means nothing now because both schools are test optional. That said Washington's 25th, 50th and 75th ACT Composite of 27, 30 and 34 are better than Oregon's 24, 27 and 30. And UW's avg. admitted student GPA of 3.83 is better than Oregon's 3.76. Interestingly, though, the CDS shows the following distributions:

Oregon
View attachment 58207

Washington
View attachment 58208

Washington has more money at $99,000 per student to Oregon's $61,000 per. Neither figure is dazzling on a national level. Since Oregon broke away from the retarded State Higher Ed board, they have been fundraising (and building) like crazy. Watch out!

Class sizes will invariably favor Oregon, with some of UW's survey courses no longer fitting in Kane Hall, behind which I received my beating from 5 guys with letterman jackets. @YellowSnow knows who these guys are.

Of course, Washington is a research behemoth and outspends many, many, many universities across the country that are otherwise viewed as their academic equal or superior. Not sure what to make of that other than it's cool for UW.

Both schools are members of the AAU (Beav and Boof are not). Washington is more "spikey" with some departments ranking among the best of the best. Campus favors Washington, but then again, UW has the nicest campus in the conference and it's not really close.

This is not, to me, some issue with Oregon not being prestigious enough, and the fat and pasty people in the midwest confusing UW with Stanford. It's fun to run that narrative, but it's unlikely.

Here is the executive summary of all that word vomit: if this were an academic play, Cal and Furd get the next two spots and Oregon and Washington are afterthoughts. Football puts asses in the seats and gets the TV revenue. That's what is at issue here.

I know I am echoing the very point you made, but imagine caring about any of this for a football program.

 

[RaceBannon]

TL,DR

I'm a fucking T 14

 

[haie]

Oregon hangs onto AAU by a cunt hair and in terms of actual skills learned Beavlet destroys them.

Yes football is the topic but the B1G cares about academies. They're passing up the Phoenix and SLC markets.

Oregon is eligible because Washington is a perfect fit and the rivalry game is too much money to pass up. Having Phil around doesn't hurt either. Think only like Indiana and Nebraska aren't Nike schools (no one cares about Maryland).

 

[creepycoug]

I'm surprised at the resurgence of the UW reflexive appeal to academics during a pre-season natty campaign. That usually happens when there is a feeling that big-time winning is in the rearview mirror. But once the term 'classy' re-enters the building, watch out!

I really don't have skin in this game, and if anything it's with Washington, which is clearly the better school all around, and from which I have more degrees than 99% of you. But this idea that you're comparing Stanford to the University of Montana doesn't quite hold up.

Washington reports better test scores historically, but that means nothing now because both schools are test optional. That said Washington's 25th, 50th and 75th ACT Composite of 27, 30 and 34 are better than Oregon's 24, 27 and 30. And UW's avg. admitted student GPA of 3.83 is better than Oregon's 3.76. Interestingly, though, the CDS shows the following distributions:

Oregon
View attachment 58207

Washington
View attachment 58208

Washington has more money at $99,000 per student to Oregon's $61,000 per. Neither figure is dazzling on a national level. Since Oregon broke away from the retarded State Higher Ed board, they have been fundraising (and building) like crazy. Watch out!

Class sizes will invariably favor Oregon, with some of UW's survey courses no longer fitting in Kane Hall, behind which I received my beating from 5 guys with letterman jackets. @YellowSnow knows who these guys are.

Of course, Washington is a research behemoth and outspends many, many, many universities across the country that are otherwise viewed as their academic equal or superior. Not sure what to make of that other than it's cool for UW.

Both schools are members of the AAU (Beav and Boof are not). Washington is more "spikey" with some departments ranking among the best of the best. Campus favors Washington, but then again, UW has the nicest campus in the conference and it's not really close.

This is not, to me, some issue with Oregon not being prestigious enough, and the fat and pasty people in the midwest confusing UW with Stanford. It's fun to run that narrative, but it's unlikely.

Here is the executive summary of all that word vomit: if this were an academic play, Cal and Furd get the next two spots and Oregon and Washington are afterthoughts. Football puts asses in the seats and gets the TV revenue. That's what is at issue here.

I know I am echoing the very point you made, but imagine caring about any of this for a football program.

Right. That is the point.

 

[haie]

I'm surprised at the resurgence of the UW reflexive appeal to academics during a pre-season natty campaign. That usually happens when there is a feeling that big-time winning is in the rearview mirror. But once the term 'classy' re-enters the building, watch out!

I really don't have skin in this game, and if anything it's with Washington, which is clearly the better school all around, and from which I have more degrees than 99% of you. But this idea that you're comparing Stanford to the University of Montana doesn't quite hold up.

Washington reports better test scores historically, but that means nothing now because both schools are test optional. That said Washington's 25th, 50th and 75th ACT Composite of 27, 30 and 34 are better than Oregon's 24, 27 and 30. And UW's avg. admitted student GPA of 3.83 is better than Oregon's 3.76. Interestingly, though, the CDS shows the following distributions:

Oregon
View attachment 58207

Washington
View attachment 58208

Washington has more money at $99,000 per student to Oregon's $61,000 per. Neither figure is dazzling on a national level. Since Oregon broke away from the retarded State Higher Ed board, they have been fundraising (and building) like crazy. Watch out!

Class sizes will invariably favor Oregon, with some of UW's survey courses no longer fitting in Kane Hall, behind which I received my beating from 5 guys with letterman jackets. @YellowSnow knows who these guys are.

Of course, Washington is a research behemoth and outspends many, many, many universities across the country that are otherwise viewed as their academic equal or superior. Not sure what to make of that other than it's cool for UW.

Both schools are members of the AAU (Beav and Boof are not). Washington is more "spikey" with some departments ranking among the best of the best. Campus favors Washington, but then again, UW has the nicest campus in the conference and it's not really close.

This is not, to me, some issue with Oregon not being prestigious enough, and the fat and pasty people in the midwest confusing UW with Stanford. It's fun to run that narrative, but it's unlikely.

Here is the executive summary of all that word vomit: if this were an academic play, Cal and Furd get the next two spots and Oregon and Washington are afterthoughts. Football puts asses in the seats and gets the TV revenue. That's what is at issue here.

I know I am echoing the very point you made, but imagine caring about any of this for a football program.

Right. That is the point. The related point is that the undergraduate population at Oregon isn't comprised of a bunch of retarded people while Washington has 40,000 mensa members. It's a bit closer than perhaps many assume.

I won't get into it further but Oregon is comprised of a bunch of retarded people.

Washington is a big boy school. But there are a few retards.

 

[creepycoug]

I'm surprised at the resurgence of the UW reflexive appeal to academics during a pre-season natty campaign. That usually happens when there is a feeling that big-time winning is in the rearview mirror. But once the term 'classy' re-enters the building, watch out!

I really don't have skin in this game, and if anything it's with Washington, which is clearly the better school all around, and from which I have more degrees than 99% of you. But this idea that you're comparing Stanford to the University of Montana doesn't quite hold up.

Washington reports better test scores historically, but that means nothing now because both schools are test optional. That said Washington's 25th, 50th and 75th ACT Composite of 27, 30 and 34 are better than Oregon's 24, 27 and 30. And UW's avg. admitted student GPA of 3.83 is better than Oregon's 3.76. Interestingly, though, the CDS shows the following distributions:

Oregon
View attachment 58207

Washington
View attachment 58208

Washington has more money at $99,000 per student to Oregon's $61,000 per. Neither figure is dazzling on a national level. Since Oregon broke away from the retarded State Higher Ed board, they have been fundraising (and building) like crazy. Watch out!

Class sizes will invariably favor Oregon, with some of UW's survey courses no longer fitting in Kane Hall, behind which I received my beating from 5 guys with letterman jackets. @YellowSnow knows who these guys are.

Of course, Washington is a research behemoth and outspends many, many, many universities across the country that are otherwise viewed as their academic equal or superior. Not sure what to make of that other than it's cool for UW.

Both schools are members of the AAU (Beav and Boof are not). Washington is more "spikey" with some departments ranking among the best of the best. Campus favors Washington, but then again, UW has the nicest campus in the conference and it's not really close.

This is not, to me, some issue with Oregon not being prestigious enough, and the fat and pasty people in the midwest confusing UW with Stanford. It's fun to run that narrative, but it's unlikely.

Here is the executive summary of all that word vomit: if this were an academic play, Cal and Furd get the next two spots and Oregon and Washington are afterthoughts. Football puts asses in the seats and gets the TV revenue. That's what is at issue here.

I know I am echoing the very point you made, but imagine caring about any of this for a football program.

Right. That is the point. The related point is that the undergraduate population at Oregon isn't comprised of a bunch of retarded people while Washington has 40,000 mensa members. It's a bit closer than perhaps many assume.

I won't get into it further but Oregon is comprised of a bunch of retarded people.

Washington is a big boy school. But there are a few retards.

The CDS reports, which is the holy grail of this stuff, wouldn't bear that out. I think my point is that they're more than close enough. But I won't get into it further.

 

[haie]

I'm surprised at the resurgence of the UW reflexive appeal to academics during a pre-season natty campaign. That usually happens when there is a feeling that big-time winning is in the rearview mirror. But once the term 'classy' re-enters the building, watch out!

I really don't have skin in this game, and if anything it's with Washington, which is clearly the better school all around, and from which I have more degrees than 99% of you. But this idea that you're comparing Stanford to the University of Montana doesn't quite hold up.

Washington reports better test scores historically, but that means nothing now because both schools are test optional. That said Washington's 25th, 50th and 75th ACT Composite of 27, 30 and 34 are better than Oregon's 24, 27 and 30. And UW's avg. admitted student GPA of 3.83 is better than Oregon's 3.76. Interestingly, though, the CDS shows the following distributions:

Oregon
View attachment 58207

Washington
View attachment 58208

Washington has more money at $99,000 per student to Oregon's $61,000 per. Neither figure is dazzling on a national level. Since Oregon broke away from the retarded State Higher Ed board, they have been fundraising (and building) like crazy. Watch out!

Class sizes will invariably favor Oregon, with some of UW's survey courses no longer fitting in Kane Hall, behind which I received my beating from 5 guys with letterman jackets. @YellowSnow knows who these guys are.

Of course, Washington is a research behemoth and outspends many, many, many universities across the country that are otherwise viewed as their academic equal or superior. Not sure what to make of that other than it's cool for UW.

Both schools are members of the AAU (Beav and Boof are not). Washington is more "spikey" with some departments ranking among the best of the best. Campus favors Washington, but then again, UW has the nicest campus in the conference and it's not really close.

This is not, to me, some issue with Oregon not being prestigious enough, and the fat and pasty people in the midwest confusing UW with Stanford. It's fun to run that narrative, but it's unlikely.

Here is the executive summary of all that word vomit: if this were an academic play, Cal and Furd get the next two spots and Oregon and Washington are afterthoughts. Football puts asses in the seats and gets the TV revenue. That's what is at issue here.

I know I am echoing the very point you made, but imagine caring about any of this for a football program.

Right. That is the point. The related point is that the undergraduate population at Oregon isn't comprised of a bunch of retarded people while Washington has 40,000 mensa members. It's a bit closer than perhaps many assume.

I won't get into it further but Oregon is comprised of a bunch of retarded people.

Washington is a big boy school. But there are a few retards.

The CDS reports, which is the holy grail of this stuff, wouldn't bear that out. I think my point is that they're more than close enough. But I won't get into it further.

Here's a list of current UO students who could survive one quarter of UW comp sci:

Okay now I'm done.

 

[creepycoug]

I'm surprised at the resurgence of the UW reflexive appeal to academics during a pre-season natty campaign. That usually happens when there is a feeling that big-time winning is in the rearview mirror. But once the term 'classy' re-enters the building, watch out!

I really don't have skin in this game, and if anything it's with Washington, which is clearly the better school all around, and from which I have more degrees than 99% of you. But this idea that you're comparing Stanford to the University of Montana doesn't quite hold up.

Washington reports better test scores historically, but that means nothing now because both schools are test optional. That said Washington's 25th, 50th and 75th ACT Composite of 27, 30 and 34 are better than Oregon's 24, 27 and 30. And UW's avg. admitted student GPA of 3.83 is better than Oregon's 3.76. Interestingly, though, the CDS shows the following distributions:

Oregon
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Washington
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Washington has more money at $99,000 per student to Oregon's $61,000 per. Neither figure is dazzling on a national level. Since Oregon broke away from the retarded State Higher Ed board, they have been fundraising (and building) like crazy. Watch out!

Class sizes will invariably favor Oregon, with some of UW's survey courses no longer fitting in Kane Hall, behind which I received my beating from 5 guys with letterman jackets. @YellowSnow knows who these guys are.

Of course, Washington is a research behemoth and outspends many, many, many universities across the country that are otherwise viewed as their academic equal or superior. Not sure what to make of that other than it's cool for UW.

Both schools are members of the AAU (Beav and Boof are not). Washington is more "spikey" with some departments ranking among the best of the best. Campus favors Washington, but then again, UW has the nicest campus in the conference and it's not really close.

This is not, to me, some issue with Oregon not being prestigious enough, and the fat and pasty people in the midwest confusing UW with Stanford. It's fun to run that narrative, but it's unlikely.

Here is the executive summary of all that word vomit: if this were an academic play, Cal and Furd get the next two spots and Oregon and Washington are afterthoughts. Football puts asses in the seats and gets the TV revenue. That's what is at issue here.

I know I am echoing the very point you made, but imagine caring about any of this for a football program.

Right. That is the point. The related point is that the undergraduate population at Oregon isn't comprised of a bunch of retarded people while Washington has 40,000 mensa members. It's a bit closer than perhaps many assume.

I won't get into it further but Oregon is comprised of a bunch of retarded people.

Washington is a big boy school. But there are a few retards.

The CDS reports, which is the holy grail of this stuff, wouldn't bear that out. I think my point is that they're more than close enough. But I won't get into it further.

Here's a list of current UO students who could survive one quarter of UW comp sci:

Okay now I'm done.

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[haie]

UW offers pretty much everything. Most of your professors are Stanford/Cal docs. Crazier than shit? Sure. Dumb? No.

Last I checked Oregon had to make up some unaccredited, embarrassment to ABET bullshit major to teach kids to learn to code.

Okay. DONE, done.

 

[Kingdome_Urinals]

I ultimately think this will happen, but that’s a BIG if things stay status quo with WA admin. Not Oregon. I think they want to compete with whoever, whatever conference, no matter even if it’s the SEC. I do not think that with WA admin. Oregon seems to be tied to WA like OU has been to TX. That’s Jmo.

Whatever WA may do, I think OR may do[/b]. Unless they sit on the pot for too long.

Well that goes without saying. As far as universities go (which is what matters to the decision makers) Oregon isn't even on the same planet as UW. They are Oregon State with a pro sports owner and the B1G knows that. Their academics has been evaluated and called into question numerous times during this whole thing, whereas Washington's research revenue is greater than every other school except for Michigan.

The B1G long term strategy is to build a classier more high-minded super conference alternative to the meathead SEC. Treating the student athlete with a more blue state value system.

They can actually build a national coast to coast football and sports brand of mostly reputable institutions. If they get ND, UW, NC, etc. they start to really challenge for the #1 super conference spot on the field and obviously with the academic prestige.

It’s about synergy of brands and shaping the destiny of elite D-1 sports from the perspective of elite academia.

You heard it here first.

You're going to have to explain Nebraska to me then. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are a bit of a push on "elite academics" as well. YMMV.

Indiana is absolutely a highly respected research institution, Maryland is also far and above the average SEC school.

It’s not a perfect fit and it’s about both sports and academics and where they meet, culture and Tv economics.

ND is not an elite research institution but they would be admitted immediately and are absolutely a culture fit for the B1G, not to mention a classy institution.

Also Nebraska, etc. we’re admitted prior to the most recent round of restructuring hth.

NIL, and the ut, ou, usc, ucla, reshuffling is the sea change that alters the logic of everything moving forward.

There’s no chance a Rutgers would be added in the new climate.

 

[YellowSnow]

I'm surprised at the resurgence of the UW reflexive appeal to academics during a pre-season natty campaign. That usually happens when there is a feeling that big-time winning is in the rearview mirror. But once the term 'classy' re-enters the building, watch out!

I really don't have skin in this game, and if anything it's with Washington, which is clearly the better school all around, and from which I have more degrees than 99% of you. But this idea that you're comparing Stanford to the University of Montana doesn't quite hold up.

Washington reports better test scores historically, but that means nothing now because both schools are test optional. That said Washington's 25th, 50th and 75th ACT Composite of 27, 30 and 34 are better than Oregon's 24, 27 and 30. And UW's avg. admitted student GPA of 3.83 is better than Oregon's 3.76. Interestingly, though, the CDS shows the following distributions:

Oregon
View attachment 58207

Washington
View attachment 58208

Washington has more money at $99,000 per student to Oregon's $61,000 per. Neither figure is dazzling on a national level. Since Oregon broke away from the retarded State Higher Ed board, they have been fundraising (and building) like crazy. Watch out!

Class sizes will invariably favor Oregon, with some of UW's survey courses no longer fitting in Kane Hall, behind which I received my beating from 5 guys with letterman jackets. @YellowSnow knows who these guys are.

Of course, Washington is a research behemoth and outspends many, many, many universities across the country that are otherwise viewed as their academic equal or superior. Not sure what to make of that other than it's cool for UW.

Both schools are members of the AAU (Beav and Boof are not). Washington is more "spikey" with some departments ranking among the best of the best. Campus favors Washington, but then again, UW has the nicest campus in the conference and it's not really close.

This is not, to me, some issue with Oregon not being prestigious enough, and the fat and pasty people in the midwest confusing UW with Stanford. It's fun to run that narrative, but it's unlikely.

Here is the executive summary of all that word vomit: if this were an academic play, Cal and Furd get the next two spots and Oregon and Washington are afterthoughts. Football puts asses in the seats and gets the TV revenue. That's what is at issue here.

I know I am echoing the very point you made, but imagine caring about any of this for a football program.

Right. That is the point. The related point is that the undergraduate population at Oregon isn't comprised of a bunch of retarded people while Washington has 40,000 mensa members. It's a bit closer than perhaps many assume.

I won't get into it further but Oregon is comprised of a bunch of retarded people.

Washington is a big boy school. But there are a few retards.

The CDS reports, which is the holy grail of this stuff, wouldn't bear that out. I think my point is that they're more than close enough. But I won't get into it further.

Here's a list of current UO students who could survive one quarter of UW comp sci:

Okay now I'm done.

I couldn't survive a quarter of UW comp sci.