ASJ says weight, not DUI, affected his last UW season

[dnc]

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

I agree ASJ could have a decent career especially if he gets his act together. I think Kasen might be one of those guys that is better in the NFL than in college. I'm surprised you don't think he is an NFL WR. IMO, he's better than Kearse, and Kearse is looking like he will have a nice career. I think Kasen will be a good third or fourth option in the NFL. He might even be able to be a #2. He can make tough grabs in traffic (very key in the NFL) and he is great on jump balls. He's lack of top speed will prevent him from being elite, but I think with some coaching and better route running he can be a force. He made some great catches last year, but the offense was designed to spread the wealth.

Kearse had one incredible skill at UW - he was ALWAYS open (except against Nebraska). IMO, the ability to get open is the most important skill for a WR assuming he has basic ball skills. I am not expert enough to say if Kearse has deceptive speed or is just a great route runner or just reads coverages really well or what, but I've never seen a receiver at UW who was open as consistently as Kearse. I am not that surprised he's doing well in the NFL.

Kasen, OTOH, does everything else better than Kearse - he's more physical, better after the catch, and has better hands. He's just never open. Maybe that will improve with a more diverse and less predictable route tree, but I have a hard time believing a guy who can't separate in college is going to get open in the league. I didn't mean to say he's not an NFL player - I think he'll be drafted and make a team - but I don't see him as a league average starter, which is what I think ASJ will be. I see KW as more like a good 4th/okay 3rd receiver type. If he goes to the right offense that uses him perfectly, he could maybe be better than that. I could see him doing pretty well in a place like Detroit where his speed plays up on the turf, the defense is overly concerned about #81 and they like to throw, throw, throw. But I think the number of teams that Kasen fits on is a lot lower than the number ASJ fits on.

 

[RoadDawg55]

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

I agree ASJ could have a decent career especially if he gets his act together. I think Kasen might be one of those guys that is better in the NFL than in college. I'm surprised you don't think he is an NFL WR. IMO, he's better than Kearse, and Kearse is looking like he will have a nice career. I think Kasen will be a good third or fourth option in the NFL. He might even be able to be a #2. He can make tough grabs in traffic (very key in the NFL) and he is great on jump balls. He's lack of top speed will prevent him from being elite, but I think with some coaching and better route running he can be a force. He made some great catches last year, but the offense was designed to spread the wealth.

Kearse had one incredible skill at UW - he was ALWAYS open (except against Nebraska). IMO, the ability to get open is the most important skill for a WR assuming he has basic ball skills. I am not expert enough to say if Kearse has deceptive speed or is just a great route runner or just reads coverages really well or what, but I've never seen a receiver at UW who was open as consistently as Kearse. I am not that surprised he's doing well in the NFL.

Kasen, OTOH, does everything else better than Kearse - he's more physical, better after the catch, and has better hands. He's just never open. Maybe that will improve with a more diverse and less predictable route tree, but I have a hard time believing a guy who can't separate in college is going to get open in the league. I didn't mean to say he's not an NFL player - I think he'll be drafted and make a team - but I don't see him as a league average starter, which is what I think ASJ will be. I see KW as more like a good 4th/okay 3rd receiver type. If he goes to the right offense that uses him perfectly, he could maybe be better than that. I could see him doing pretty well in a place like Detroit where his speed plays up on the turf, the defense is overly concerned about #81 and they like to throw, throw, throw. But I think the number of teams that Kasen fits on is a lot lower than the number ASJ fits on.

I agree about ASJ fitting on almost every team. At the very least he is a #2 or #3 TE on any team. There aren't many guys with his size, hands, and coordination. Another thing to keep in mind with Kasen is how he comes back from the injury, which was pretty severe.

 

[dnc]

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

I agree ASJ could have a decent career especially if he gets his act together. I think Kasen might be one of those guys that is better in the NFL than in college. I'm surprised you don't think he is an NFL WR. IMO, he's better than Kearse, and Kearse is looking like he will have a nice career. I think Kasen will be a good third or fourth option in the NFL. He might even be able to be a #2. He can make tough grabs in traffic (very key in the NFL) and he is great on jump balls. He's lack of top speed will prevent him from being elite, but I think with some coaching and better route running he can be a force. He made some great catches last year, but the offense was designed to spread the wealth.

Kearse had one incredible skill at UW - he was ALWAYS open (except against Nebraska). IMO, the ability to get open is the most important skill for a WR assuming he has basic ball skills. I am not expert enough to say if Kearse has deceptive speed or is just a great route runner or just reads coverages really well or what, but I've never seen a receiver at UW who was open as consistently as Kearse. I am not that surprised he's doing well in the NFL.

Kasen, OTOH, does everything else better than Kearse - he's more physical, better after the catch, and has better hands. He's just never open. Maybe that will improve with a more diverse and less predictable route tree, but I have a hard time believing a guy who can't separate in college is going to get open in the league. I didn't mean to say he's not an NFL player - I think he'll be drafted and make a team - but I don't see him as a league average starter, which is what I think ASJ will be. I see KW as more like a good 4th/okay 3rd receiver type. If he goes to the right offense that uses him perfectly, he could maybe be better than that. I could see him doing pretty well in a place like Detroit where his speed plays up on the turf, the defense is overly concerned about #81 and they like to throw, throw, throw. But I think the number of teams that Kasen fits on is a lot lower than the number ASJ fits on.

I agree about ASJ fitting on almost every team. At the very least he is a #2 or #3 TE on any team. There aren't many guys with his size, hands, and coordination. Another thing to keep in mind with Kasen is how he comes back from the injury, which was pretty severe.

Agreed. It was pretty scary. Hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

Who was it that wanted to blame the injury on Price, was that Softy or Fetters (or abundance)? If he doesn't have a big year prepare for whoever that was to keep bringing up Price as the scapegoat for KW's disappointing year. Hopefully that won't be an issue.

 

[The_Undertaker]

I still think ASJ has the potential. I agree with almost everything Roaddawg said on him, but I think being in contact with the pro environment could force him to change his ways, and then he will have a chance to realize his potential.
As for Kasen, ever since he played for us I have been wondering how he was considered a 5-star. He has a lot of qualities but speed is not one of them. The problem is Sark used him like he was fast. If he had been used like a Mike Williams (USC) or Evans (Manziel's receiver), maybe I would see a better NFL future for him.

 

[DawgDaze71]

It sorta was Price's fault. He under-threw the ball to Kasen allowing the defender to catch Kasen and cause the injury. Had the ball been placed properly Kasen runs under it and the defender never falls on his legs.

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

I agree ASJ could have a decent career especially if he gets his act together. I think Kasen might be one of those guys that is better in the NFL than in college. I'm surprised you don't think he is an NFL WR. IMO, he's better than Kearse, and Kearse is looking like he will have a nice career. I think Kasen will be a good third or fourth option in the NFL. He might even be able to be a #2. He can make tough grabs in traffic (very key in the NFL) and he is great on jump balls. He's lack of top speed will prevent him from being elite, but I think with some coaching and better route running he can be a force. He made some great catches last year, but the offense was designed to spread the wealth.

Kearse had one incredible skill at UW - he was ALWAYS open (except against Nebraska). IMO, the ability to get open is the most important skill for a WR assuming he has basic ball skills. I am not expert enough to say if Kearse has deceptive speed or is just a great route runner or just reads coverages really well or what, but I've never seen a receiver at UW who was open as consistently as Kearse. I am not that surprised he's doing well in the NFL.

Kasen, OTOH, does everything else better than Kearse - he's more physical, better after the catch, and has better hands. He's just never open. Maybe that will improve with a more diverse and less predictable route tree, but I have a hard time believing a guy who can't separate in college is going to get open in the league. I didn't mean to say he's not an NFL player - I think he'll be drafted and make a team - but I don't see him as a league average starter, which is what I think ASJ will be. I see KW as more like a good 4th/okay 3rd receiver type. If he goes to the right offense that uses him perfectly, he could maybe be better than that. I could see him doing pretty well in a place like Detroit where his speed plays up on the turf, the defense is overly concerned about #81 and they like to throw, throw, throw. But I think the number of teams that Kasen fits on is a lot lower than the number ASJ fits on.

I agree about ASJ fitting on almost every team. At the very least he is a #2 or #3 TE on any team. There aren't many guys with his size, hands, and coordination. Another thing to keep in mind with Kasen is how he comes back from the injury, which was pretty severe.

Agreed. It was pretty scary. Hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

Who was it that wanted to blame the injury on Price, was that Softy or Fetters (or abundance)? If he doesn't have a big year prepare for whoever that was to keep bringing up Price as the scapegoat for KW's disappointing year. Hopefully that won't be an issue.

 

[dnc]

It sorta was Price's fault. He under-threw the ball to Kasen allowing the defender to catch Kasen and cause the injury. Had the ball been placed properly Kasen runs under it and the defender never falls on his legs.

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

I agree ASJ could have a decent career especially if he gets his act together. I think Kasen might be one of those guys that is better in the NFL than in college. I'm surprised you don't think he is an NFL WR. IMO, he's better than Kearse, and Kearse is looking like he will have a nice career. I think Kasen will be a good third or fourth option in the NFL. He might even be able to be a #2. He can make tough grabs in traffic (very key in the NFL) and he is great on jump balls. He's lack of top speed will prevent him from being elite, but I think with some coaching and better route running he can be a force. He made some great catches last year, but the offense was designed to spread the wealth.

Kearse had one incredible skill at UW - he was ALWAYS open (except against Nebraska). IMO, the ability to get open is the most important skill for a WR assuming he has basic ball skills. I am not expert enough to say if Kearse has deceptive speed or is just a great route runner or just reads coverages really well or what, but I've never seen a receiver at UW who was open as consistently as Kearse. I am not that surprised he's doing well in the NFL.

Kasen, OTOH, does everything else better than Kearse - he's more physical, better after the catch, and has better hands. He's just never open. Maybe that will improve with a more diverse and less predictable route tree, but I have a hard time believing a guy who can't separate in college is going to get open in the league. I didn't mean to say he's not an NFL player - I think he'll be drafted and make a team - but I don't see him as a league average starter, which is what I think ASJ will be. I see KW as more like a good 4th/okay 3rd receiver type. If he goes to the right offense that uses him perfectly, he could maybe be better than that. I could see him doing pretty well in a place like Detroit where his speed plays up on the turf, the defense is overly concerned about #81 and they like to throw, throw, throw. But I think the number of teams that Kasen fits on is a lot lower than the number ASJ fits on.

I agree about ASJ fitting on almost every team. At the very least he is a #2 or #3 TE on any team. There aren't many guys with his size, hands, and coordination. Another thing to keep in mind with Kasen is how he comes back from the injury, which was pretty severe.

Agreed. It was pretty scary. Hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

Who was it that wanted to blame the injury on Price, was that Softy or Fetters (or abundance)? If he doesn't have a big year prepare for whoever that was to keep bringing up Price as the scapegoat for KW's disappointing year. Hopefully that won't be an issue.

Right. But every QB underthrows some passes. On a deep ball you're taught that you're better off underthrowing than overthrowing so your receiver has a chance to make the catch. And especially with a receiver like Kasen who has elite ball skills but subpar speed, underthrowing is the far superior option. It was an unfortunate accident that Kasen got hurt on that play, not one more thing for doog nation to blame on Price to make excuses for Sark.

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

I suspect he was out of shape because he got the DUI and thus was suspended from the team and team workouts. Sort of a cause and effect.

Don't forget Sark not letting him start on the bball team

 

[Global]

The incredible thing in Austin's interview is that he says he did not know technique was more important than weight gain. Huh? sounds like lousy coaching.

 

[The_Undertaker]

I don't know... That whole gaining weight to block more and adapt to the new offense also sounds like an excuse he came up with recently to explain last season. Nobody ever mentioned that before or during the season. Nobody even acknowledged there was something different at the time (except us fans).
So either that or Paopao, who still is our TE coach, sucks.

 

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What terrible coaching staff UW has that allowed their best talent to come in fat and out of shape. When Doogs were raving about ASJ being 275 and being a "monster" I was laughing knowing his 275 was mostly fat and at his best he should be around 260.

Unlike most Doogs I hope the Seahawks don't end up with ASJ. Is he talented? yes. Can he make a pro bowl? Yes. However, lazy fucks tend to wash out in the NFL and will especially wash out the minute they get a big contract.

Despite all his issues at least Jerramy Stevens brought it every game he played at for UW unlike ASJ. ASJ was your most Sark player he's had. Overhyped, talented, destroyed bullshit teams and was often a no show against the good teams. His career stats against Oregon and Stanford confirm that as he didn't do shit against either team in six career games.

ASJ is no OKG and I think the program as a whole is better off without his lazy ass around. This totally falls on Sark though. Why nobody brought up how 5 star ASJ got worse under Sark, how 5 star Kasen got worse under Sark and yes even 5 star Shaq Thompson looked significantly worse his sophomore year than freshman year under Sark.

Total coaching failure on Sark's part to allow ASJ to be that fat and overweight. Also spare me the DUI excuse as Marshawn Lynch got one going into the 2012 season and he produced his best two years of his career in back to back seasons.

 

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Once he dropped that ball from joe montana in the oregon state game I knew he was a bust.

That's funny new fish, and accurate. Our last two 5 - star TE'S were tub-o-lards. Middleton was a joke. Never saw a 6-6 20 lb pansy like him. ASJ wasn't far behind. Our S&G program has been a joke since Lambo departed. Imagine if ASJ went to Ohio St? He'd be a top 10 pick. Sark ruined that poor kid. Sheesh, Boise St. and Peterton would have made ASJ a juicy rookie top 15 contract. Sark emptied ASJ ' S pocket in one poker game (his junior year).

Keep in mind there are 190 lb corners on this team who could woop ASJ ' S ass. Flashback to Erie Cowell And Cam Cleeland. These guys would have beat the shit out of anybody on the entire roster (not including Olin Kreutz, he would have beat the shit out of Empterman). Please get the point. We took 2, 6-6 265lb TE's, the best in the country at their positions out of high school, and turned them into a soft 265lb WNBA centers. Imagine if ASJ played under Lambo? He'd be of the first 15 picks. Does Sark owe ASJ an apology or is he just the second coming of Middleton. Either way they're both fat fucks who didnt realize their potential.

Umm it's Peterman not Peterton. Get it right next time or you'll just be gone. There won't even be a warning.

 

[Global]

I don't know... That whole gaining weight to block more and adapt to the new offense also sounds like an excuse he came up with recently to explain last season. Nobody ever mentioned that before or during the season. Nobody even acknowledged there was something different at the time (except us fans).
So either that or Paopao, who still is our TE coach, sucks.

Well, actually there was a little indication early in the season that he had a conditioning problem. Even Sark had to admit that, after the one game suspension, when ASJ came back to play, he could not be in as much as he'd like because ASJ was "gassed" and could not keep up with the no huddle.

Gassed was not the whole problem though, as ASJ clearly had developed a sizable belly by fall, and it was more than the difference between 260 and 275. He had to be pushing 285 in the first game after suspension.

But that is on ASJ. Even though he had been suspended from the team, he knew from basketball and from two years of football what it takes to play, and he was clearly out of shape….

 

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I don't know... That whole gaining weight to block more and adapt to the new offense also sounds like an excuse he came up with recently to explain last season. Nobody ever mentioned that before or during the season. Nobody even acknowledged there was something different at the time (except us fans).
So either that or Paopao, who still is our TE coach, sucks.

Well, actually there was a little indication early in the season that he had a conditioning problem. Even Sark had to admit that, after the one game suspension, when ASJ came back to play, he could not be in as much as he'd like because ASJ was "gassed" and could not keep up with the no huddle.

Gassed was not the whole problem though, as ASJ clearly had developed a sizable belly by fall, and it was more than the difference between 260 and 275. He had to be pushing 285 in the first game after suspension.

But that is on ASJ. Even though he had been suspended from the team, he knew from basketball and from two years of football what it takes to play, and he was clearly out of shape….

That falls on the coach to create a culture where a star player can come in out of shape. ASJ knew that he was clearly the best option at TE as in five years Sark had nobody who could even be a serviceable replacement. Remember when Doogs used to say Hartvigson could start for half the fucking teams? What a crock of shit!

Think ASJ comes in out of shape for James or hell even Lambo? I think even Slick Rick would have got his ass into shape. He knew there was no next man up mentality under Dude Brah and that Dude Brah was just playing TUFF! guy in front of the media.

Remember Dude Brah didn't announce the suspension until two days before the game which if I had to guess meant ASJ was ruled out due to his injury. He like the rest of his teammates knew Sark is a pussy and there would be no punishment for being out of shape.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

I don't know... That whole gaining weight to block more and adapt to the new offense also sounds like an excuse he came up with recently to explain last season. Nobody ever mentioned that before or during the season. Nobody even acknowledged there was something different at the time (except us fans).
So either that or Paopao, who still is our TE coach, sucks.

Well, actually there was a little indication early in the season that he had a conditioning problem. Even Sark had to admit that, after the one game suspension, when ASJ came back to play, he could not be in as much as he'd like because ASJ was "gassed" and could not keep up with the no huddle.

Gassed was not the whole problem though, as ASJ clearly had developed a sizable belly by fall, and it was more than the difference between 260 and 275. He had to be pushing 285 in the first game after suspension.

But that is on ASJ. Even though he had been suspended from the team, he knew from basketball and from two years of football what it takes to play, and he was clearly out of shape….

That falls on the coach to create a culture where a star player can come in out of shape. ASJ knew that he was clearly the best option at TE as in five years Sark had nobody who could even be a serviceable replacement. Remember when Doogs used to say Hartvigson could start for half the fucking teams? What a crock of shit!

Think ASJ comes in out of shape for James or hell even Lambo? I think even Slick Rick would have got his ass into shape. He knew there was no next man up mentality under Dude Brah and that Dude Brah was just playing TUFF! guy in front of the media.

Remember Dude Brah didn't announce the suspension until two days before the game which if I had to guess meant ASJ was ruled out due to his injury. He like the rest of his teammates knew Sark is a pussy and there would be no punishment for being out of shape.

Was he injured? I kind of doubt it but I could be wrong. Shark should have just punished him within a couple of days of the incident. It would have made it a dead issue and everyone would have moved on. Thanks for getting out of the gutter Steve, but I'm glad you're USC's problem now.

 

[Tailgater]

Middleton couldn't have held ASJ's jockstrap and the comparison is silly. Even considering his underachieving, overweight, and distracted collegiate career, ASJ did at times demonstrate significant potential as a Husky.

Unfortunately, ASJ like all Huskies coached by Sark's offensive genius was allowed to achieve his own level of performance going from sometimes amazing as a true freshman to a lazy fuck-up in two years. But he did come back for a third season to learn how to block better.

Perhaps the DUI and allowing himself to get so far out-of-shape will be a wake-up call for what ASJ faces in the NFL.

 

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His fat face says it all

 

[RoadDawg55]

I remember Kim saying ASJ was in great shape and he looked like a man when fall practices started.

 

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FireMarshallBill remember ASJ needed surgery on his pinky two weeks prior to the game and had missed practices due to it.

Many thought he wasn't going to play due to injury.

 

[[Deleted User]]

I remember Kim saying ASJ was in great shape and he looked like a man when fall practices started.

Anyone else we'd mock him for being so wrong but with Kim I chuckle and move on to the thousands of other dumb fuck things he has said in the past year alone.

RIP Dickus

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

FireMarshallBill remember ASJ needed surgery on his pinky two weeks prior to the game and had missed practices due to it.

Many thought he wasn't going to play due to injury.

Oh yeah...