Arnez Madison, 2021 3* DB/WR, Los Angeles (Manual Arts HS), CA (Offered 7/19/20)

[DoogCourics]

Malloe took a lot of shit in his first two years (deservedly), Strausser missed on a lot of guys and lost his job for it, as did Paopao and Gregory has certainly had his share of misses.

If I'm looking at things objectively, Harris/Brown's recruiting performance this year could be the worst of the bunch. We hit the bottom of the barrel 2 weeks ago and are now trying to find something under it.

"I've been talking with coach (Will) Harris and coach (Terrence) Brown for about a week," Madison said. "They said they like my size and my ability to cover and my technique. I might not be the fastest or the strongest guy, but my technique is something I take pride in and also my ball skills. When the ball is in the air, I feel like it's mine and I go up and get it."

"Fresno State and Oregon State have showed me the most interest and been the most consistent in recruiting me," Madison said. "I've had visits with the coaches and virtual tours and I like what I have seen with them. The (Washington) coaches haven't set up a date for me to do a tour, but we'll do that soon. They have a great program there and I like their defense, but that's all I know right now.[/b] I'm looking forward to learning more about the program and the school."

Awesome. Just awesome. Kid has no clue who UW even is.

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[chuck]

I never understood Will as a hire. We've spent 4 years grooming him. For a long time when Jimmy was DB coach, the question was what does Will do on the staff - he never seemed to have a role in recruiting back then - Lake did all the trips. Then Jimmy became DC and you still weren't clear what Will did. If Will had turned out to be great, he'd have bolted back to USC. But he sucks and now it seems we've lost 4 years that could've been invested in a better bet.

His role always has been a little weird to me. He was out on the trail a lot, but his role seemed to be as more of a scout and early relationship establishment one. Lake took over when it came down to it. It seems like Harris never learned fuckall about closing or even staying in contention for the big targets.

 

[guntlove]

Will Harris. Bob Gregory. Derham Cato. Terrance Brown. Pete Kwiatkowski. Keith Bonerpha. John Donovan.

Seven of our ten assistant coaches are severely subpar recruiters. Not middling to average recruiters, but genuine recruiting liabilities. Seventy percent of Jimmy's handpicked staff couldn't close a fucking door, let alone a four star recruit. And Will Harris might actually be the worst... which is saying something when you've got Bob Gregory on staff.

I think it's too early to say on Cato and Kwat is probably a step above these guys, but yeah it's bad.

Yup. Totally agree with this. Besides being a genius DC, Kwat's at least shown a willingness to work & improve as a recruiter. Guess we'll see on Cato... early returns aren't great, and there's no way he's getting Bowers.

Problem is, I'm not sure if Jimmy even sees any of this as an issue... he's convinced he knows more than everyone else. Arrogant and incompetent. We're fucked.

 

[FremontTroll]

Malloe took a lot of shit in his first two years (deservedly), Strausser missed on a lot of guys and lost his job for it, as did Paopao and Gregory has certainly had his share of misses.

If I'm looking at things objectively, Harris/Brown's recruiting performance this year could be the worst of the bunch. We hit the bottom of the barrel 2 weeks ago and are now trying to find something under it.

"I've been talking with coach (Will) Harris and coach (Terrence) Brown for about a week," Madison said. "They said they like my size and my ability to cover and my technique. I might not be the fastest or the strongest guy, but my technique is something I take pride in and also my ball skills. When the ball is in the air, I feel like it's mine and I go up and get it."

"Fresno State and Oregon State have showed me the most interest and been the most consistent in recruiting me," Madison said. "I've had visits with the coaches and virtual tours and I like what I have seen with them. The (Washington) coaches haven't set up a date for me to do a tour, but we'll do that soon. They have a great program there and I like their defense, but that's all I know right now.[/b] I'm looking forward to learning more about the program and the school."

Awesome. Just awesome. Kid has no clue who UW even is.

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I’m more concerned that even Arnez himself doesn’t think he is fast or strong. At least he is big?

Don’t think outcompeting OSU and Fresno State should be too difficult but who the fuck knows.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Will Harris. Bob Gregory. Derham Cato. Terrance Brown. Pete Kwiatkowski. Keith Bonerpha. John Donovan.

Seven of our ten assistant coaches are severely subpar recruiters. Not middling to average recruiters, but genuine recruiting liabilities. Seventy percent of Jimmy's handpicked staff couldn't close a fucking door, let alone a four star recruit. And Will Harris might actually be the worst... which is saying something when you've got Bob Gregory on staff.

I think it's too early to say on Cato and Kwat is probably a step above these guys, but yeah it's bad.

Yup. Totally agree with this. Besides being a genius DC, Kwat's at least shown a willingness to work & improve as a recruiter. Guess we'll see on Cato... early returns aren't great, and there's no way he's getting Bowers.

Problem is, I'm not sure if Jimmy even sees any of this as an issue... he's convinced he knows more than everyone else. Arrogant and incompetent. We're fucked.

Completely agree. Jimmy is a good coach and teAcher of the game. His unit was always prepared.

Problem is he thinks he is smarter than everyone. Lacks self awareness at this point. It’s not that we are missing on high profile recruits. It’s that we are missing on the guys they have designated as our top targets and throwing out offers to ppl that we never invested any time with before because we are so far down our list.

 

[sinceredawg]

Will Harris. Bob Gregory. Derham Cato. Terrance Brown. Pete Kwiatkowski. Keith Bonerpha. John Donovan.

Seven of our ten assistant coaches are severely subpar recruiters. Not middling to average recruiters, but genuine recruiting liabilities. Seventy percent of Jimmy's handpicked staff couldn't close a fucking door, let alone a four star recruit. And Will Harris might actually be the worst... which is saying something when you've got Bob Gregory on staff.

I think it's too early to say on Cato and Kwat is probably a step above these guys, but yeah it's bad.

Yup. Totally agree with this. Besides being a genius DC, Kwat's at least shown a willingness to work & improve as a recruiter. Guess we'll see on Cato... early returns aren't great, and there's no way he's getting Bowers.

Problem is, I'm not sure if Jimmy even sees any of this as an issue... he's convinced he knows more than everyone else. Arrogant and incompetent. We're fucked.

I doubt that Jimmy is unaware there's a problem at this point. He really did drop his balls in a clamp though. Some things preventable: OC hire, dumbass coach retention, failing to hire ace recruiters. Some things not his fault: covid cockblocking all his showcase plans meanwhile Oregon having a proven system and staff that's easy to sell.

But I doubt that he's not totally aware how much he's fucked right now. Amazing how different this would have looked had he simply splash-hired the Cowboy's OC.

 

[PurpleSmoke]

Will Harris. Bob Gregory. Derham Cato. Terrance Brown. Pete Kwiatkowski. Keith Bonerpha. John Donovan.

Seven of our ten assistant coaches are severely subpar recruiters. Not middling to average recruiters, but genuine recruiting liabilities. Seventy percent of Jimmy's handpicked staff couldn't close a fucking door, let alone a four star recruit. And Will Harris might actually be the worst... which is saying something when you've got Bob Gregory on staff.

I think it's too early to say on Cato and Kwat is probably a step above these guys, but yeah it's bad.

Yup. Totally agree with this. Besides being a genius DC, Kwat's at least shown a willingness to work & improve as a recruiter. Guess we'll see on Cato... early returns aren't great, and there's no way he's getting Bowers.

Problem is, I'm not sure if Jimmy even sees any of this as an issue... he's convinced he knows more than everyone else. Arrogant and incompetent. We're fucked.

I doubt that Jimmy is unaware there's a problem at this point. He really did drop his balls in a clamp though. Some things preventable: OC hire, dumbass coach retention, failing to hire ace recruiters. Some things not his fault: covid cockblocking all his showcase plans meanwhile Oregon having a proven system and staff that's easy to sell.

But I doubt that he's not totally aware how much he's fucked right now. Amazing how different this would have looked had he simply splash-hired the Cowboy's OC.

Can we also mention his strategy of promoting how our guys are going to make Bank at the next level and we have a high rate of putting people in the league. That strategy would have worked the past 3 years when we've had someone in the 1st and a bunch of other guys drafted. The falling money tweets come to mind, get excited!

Come to UW where you can underachieve and then be an UFDA, not quite as compelling.

 

[Bread]

Will Harris. Bob Gregory. Derham Cato. Terrance Brown. Pete Kwiatkowski. Keith Bonerpha. John Donovan.

Seven of our ten assistant coaches are severely subpar recruiters. Not middling to average recruiters, but genuine recruiting liabilities. Seventy percent of Jimmy's handpicked staff couldn't close a fucking door, let alone a four star recruit. And Will Harris might actually be the worst... which is saying something when you've got Bob Gregory on staff.

I think it's too early to say on Cato and Kwat is probably a step above these guys, but yeah it's bad.

Yup. Totally agree with this. Besides being a genius DC, Kwat's at least shown a willingness to work & improve as a recruiter. Guess we'll see on Cato... early returns aren't great, and there's no way he's getting Bowers.

Problem is, I'm not sure if Jimmy even sees any of this as an issue... he's convinced he knows more than everyone else. Arrogant and incompetent. We're fucked.

I doubt that Jimmy is unaware there's a problem at this point. He really did drop his balls in a clamp though. Some things preventable: OC hire, dumbass coach retention, failing to hire ace recruiters. Some things not his fault: covid cockblocking all his showcase plans meanwhile Oregon having a proven system and staff that's easy to sell.

But I doubt that he's not totally aware how much he's fucked right now. Amazing how different this would have looked had he simply splash-hired the Cowboy's OC.

Can we also mention his strategy of promoting how our guys are going to make Bank at the next level and we have a high rate of putting people in the league. That strategy would have worked the past 3 years when we've had someone in the 1st and a bunch of other guys drafted. The falling money tweets come to mind, get excited!

Come to UW where you can underachieve and then be an UFDA, not quite as compelling.

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Jake browning is the highest paid UDFA of all time. Got to ride that hype train.

 

[Tequilla]

Go back and read the thoughts on Will Harris when he was hired ...

Lots of people lost their shit about how much of a boon it would be getting into SoCal recruiting with a AA SC alum being an automatic upgrade ...

I don’t know why Harris isn’t connecting or resonating at this point but it seems clear that he isn’t ... at least compared to those at peer programs. I suspect it’s because he’s still very green, doesn’t have a resume of his own, doesn’t come off as an expert compared to his competition, and as a result struggles to connect as a realistic option.

As always, when you look at the world from the perspective of hire the best people no matter what, you’d evaluate the risks with Harris, and now Cato and lesser degree Brown as substantial risks on a number of fronts.

It’s going to be really interesting to see how Jimmy adjusts

 

[whatshouldicareabout]

Go back and read the thoughts on Will Harris when he was hired ...

Lots of people lost their shit about how much of a boon it would be getting into SoCal recruiting with a AA SC alum being an automatic upgrade ...[/b]

I don’t know why Harris isn’t connecting or resonating at this point but it seems clear that he isn’t ... at least compared to those at peer programs. I suspect it’s because he’s still very green, doesn’t have a resume of his own, doesn’t come off as an expert compared to his competition, and as a result struggles to connect as a realistic option.

As always, when you look at the world from the perspective of hire the best people no matter what, you’d evaluate the risks with Harris, and now Cato and lesser degree Brown as substantial risks on a number of fronts.

It’s going to be really interesting to see how Jimmy adjusts

You mean the BDTW crew? Those guys are the absolute worst

 

[guntlove]

Will Harris. Bob Gregory. Derham Cato. Terrance Brown. Pete Kwiatkowski. Keith Bonerpha. John Donovan.

Seven of our ten assistant coaches are severely subpar recruiters. Not middling to average recruiters, but genuine recruiting liabilities. Seventy percent of Jimmy's handpicked staff couldn't close a fucking door, let alone a four star recruit. And Will Harris might actually be the worst... which is saying something when you've got Bob Gregory on staff.

I think it's too early to say on Cato and Kwat is probably a step above these guys, but yeah it's bad.

Yup. Totally agree with this. Besides being a genius DC, Kwat's at least shown a willingness to work & improve as a recruiter. Guess we'll see on Cato... early returns aren't great, and there's no way he's getting Bowers.

Problem is, I'm not sure if Jimmy even sees any of this as an issue... he's convinced he knows more than everyone else. Arrogant and incompetent. We're fucked.

I doubt that Jimmy is unaware there's a problem at this point[/b]. He really did drop his balls in a clamp though. Some things preventable: OC hire, dumbass coach retention, failing to hire ace recruiters. Some things not his fault: covid cockblocking all his showcase plans meanwhile Oregon having a proven system and staff that's easy to sell.

But I doubt that he's not totally aware how much he's fucked right now. Amazing how different this would have looked had he simply splash-hired the Cowboy's OC.

Even if Jimmy is aware there's a problem, and I'm not convinced he is, he doesn't seem to have the judgement or competence to fix it properly anyways.

If Harris and Gregory (and to a lesser extent Boner) are still on staff 6 months from now, we'll have our answer. You can't carry this much dead recruiting weight on staff and expect to be competitive.

 

[bananasnblondes]

Go back and read the thoughts on Will Harris when he was hired ...

Lots of people lost their shit about how much of a boon it would be getting into SoCal recruiting with a AA SC alum being an automatic upgrade ...

I don’t know why Harris isn’t connecting or resonating at this point but it seems clear that he isn’t ... at least compared to those at peer programs. I suspect it’s because he’s still very green, doesn’t have a resume of his own, doesn’t come off as an expert compared to his competition, and as a result struggles to connect as a realistic option.

As always, when you look at the world from the perspective of hire the best people no matter what, you’d evaluate the risks with Harris, and now Cato and lesser degree Brown as substantial risks on a number of fronts.

It’s going to be really interesting to see how Jimmy adjusts

Yep. On paper, the Harris hire looked great. Young, energetic, African Anerican coach who had direct ties to LA and was active on social media. Was viewed as being successful at his previous job as both a coach and recruiter (albeit at a different level of competition). Also very ambitious. I remember his saying how excited he was to be at UW but his end goal was to be HC at USC. On top of that, he gets to understudy for one of the top db coaches and recruiters in the country.

I honestly have no idea what the issue is. He still seems in interviews like an energetic and intelligent guy that recruits would be drawn to but he is failing at such an incredible level. If we were losing out on just the top kids to schools like tOSU, Bama, SC, etc. that would be one thing, but we are now getting into offering guys that only the bottom of the bottom P5 schools and non-P5 schools are going after. The only thing I can think is that he's just lazy and/or disorganized. Puts on a good show for interviews but then would rather play on his phone or watch tv than actually put in the effort for recruiting. Like any highly competitive sales job, you have to be hungry and enjoy the thrill of the competition. Maybe he doesnt and its showing in his work. Maybe, like Lubick, he already knows hes on his way out and is putting minimal effort in.

 

[guntlove]

Go back and read the thoughts on Will Harris when he was hired ...

Lots of people lost their shit about how much of a boon it would be getting into SoCal recruiting with a AA SC alum being an automatic upgrade ...

I don’t know why Harris isn’t connecting or resonating at this point but it seems clear that he isn’t ... at least compared to those at peer programs. I suspect it’s because he’s still very green, doesn’t have a resume of his own, doesn’t come off as an expert compared to his competition, and as a result struggles to connect as a realistic option.

As always, when you look at the world from the perspective of hire the best people no matter what, you’d evaluate the risks with Harris, and now Cato and lesser degree Brown as substantial risks on a number of fronts.

It’s going to be really interesting to see how Jimmy adjusts

Yep. On paper, the Harris hire looked great. Young, energetic, African Anerican coach who had direct ties to LA and was active on social media. Was viewed as being successful at his previous job as both a coach and recruiter (albeit at a different level of competition). Also very ambitious. I remember his saying how excited he was to be at UW but his end goal was to be HC at USC. On top of that, he gets to understudy for one of the top db coaches and recruiters in the country.

I honestly have no idea what the issue is. He still seems in interviews like an energetic and intelligent guy that recruits would be drawn to but he is failing at such an incredible level. If we were losing out on just the top kids to schools like tOSU, Bama, SC, etc. that would be one thing, but we are now getting into offering guys that only the bottom of the bottom P5 schools and non-P5 schools are going after. The only thing I can think is that he's just lazy and/or disorganized. Puts on a good show for interviews but then would rather play on his phone or watch tv than actually put in the effort for recruiting. Like any highly competitive sales job, you have to be hungry and enjoy the thrill of the competition. Maybe he doesnt and its showing in his work. Maybe, like Lubick, he already knows hes on his way out[/b] and is putting minimal effort in.

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[AtomicDawg]

Go back and read the thoughts on Will Harris when he was hired ...

Lots of people lost their shit about how much of a boon it would be getting into SoCal recruiting with a AA SC alum being an automatic upgrade ...

I don’t know why Harris isn’t connecting or resonating at this point but it seems clear that he isn’t ... at least compared to those at peer programs. I suspect it’s because he’s still very green, doesn’t have a resume of his own, doesn’t come off as an expert compared to his competition, and as a result struggles to connect as a realistic option.

As always, when you look at the world from the perspective of hire the best people no matter what, you’d evaluate the risks with Harris, and now Cato and lesser degree Brown as substantial risks on a number of fronts.

It’s going to be really interesting to see how Jimmy adjusts

Yep. On paper, the Harris hire looked great. Young, energetic, African Anerican coach who had direct ties to LA and was active on social media. Was viewed as being successful at his previous job as both a coach and recruiter (albeit at a different level of competition). Also very ambitious. I remember his saying how excited he was to be at UW but his end goal was to be HC at USC. On top of that, he gets to understudy for one of the top db coaches and recruiters in the country.

I honestly have no idea what the issue is. He still seems in interviews like an energetic and intelligent guy that recruits would be drawn to but he is failing at such an incredible level. If we were losing out on just the top kids to schools like tOSU, Bama, SC, etc. that would be one thing, but we are now getting into offering guys that only the bottom of the bottom P5 schools and non-P5 schools are going after. The only thing I can think is that he's just lazy and/or disorganized. Puts on a good show for interviews but then would rather play on his phone or watch tv than actually put in the effort for recruiting. Like any highly competitive sales job, you have to be hungry and enjoy the thrill of the competition. Maybe he doesnt and its showing in his work. Maybe, like Lubick, he already knows hes on his way out[/b] and is putting minimal effort in.

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He may be on his way out for his performance but didn’t he get a promotion this off season? He doesn’t think he is on his way out.

 

[sinceredawg]

BTW I just want to say again that Oregon is the archetype of everything that's wrong with this world.

Go back and read the thoughts on Will Harris when he was hired ...

Lots of people lost their shit about how much of a boon it would be getting into SoCal recruiting with a AA SC alum being an automatic upgrade ...

I don’t know why Harris isn’t connecting or resonating at this point but it seems clear that he isn’t ... at least compared to those at peer programs. I suspect it’s because he’s still very green, doesn’t have a resume of his own, doesn’t come off as an expert compared to his competition, and as a result struggles to connect as a realistic option.

As always, when you look at the world from the perspective of hire the best people no matter what, you’d evaluate the risks with Harris, and now Cato and lesser degree Brown as substantial risks on a number of fronts.

It’s going to be really interesting to see how Jimmy adjusts

It would be interesting to see how Jimmy adjusts in the best of times. Swashbuckling hiring moves, I'd think, are far less likely to happen now that there's no season revenue. AKA the pushback will be that if "we" couldn't afford it then, we sure as "fuck" can't afford it now.

 

[Tequilla]

The lack of funding is a compounding error and a clear sign that we are accepting of potential mediocrity

 

[dOgmaster]

BTW I just want to say again that Oregon is the archetype of everything that's wrong with this world.

Please provide some reasoning! Could it be your jealous and just lashing out at that shit hole school in that shit hole town with a program that won’t amount to nothing, but beats your teams ass on the field and in recruiting?! Or, maybe that was the sarcasm I hear so much about. If true, then Oregon is the greatest thing for this world, and I thank you for pointing that out.

 

[1to392831weretaken]

It would be interesting to see how Jimmy adjusts in the best of times. Swashbuckling hiring moves, I'd think, are far less likely to happen now that there's no season revenue. AKA the pushback will be that if "we" couldn't afford it then, we sure as "fuck" can't afford it now.

Narrator: They could. And they still can.

 

[bananasnblondes]

Multiple 8 inchers to THEE Oregon State University

 

[1to392831weretaken]

Multiple 8 inchers to THEE Oregon State University

Logjammin'?