Another American institution the left has destroyed........

[HHusky]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

Your thinking like a patriotic American male. None of these apply to the dazzler. The US military used to reward intelligence, competence, meritocracy and leadership. Now those are punished unless you redefine the terms. What is rewarded is obedience to wokeness. And if you are a white male, even that won't be enough. After the Afghanistan debacle, the military cashiered a major who spoke the truth about the exit. He pointed out that an ordinary officer would be punished if a soldier died in an accident under their command. No senior officer was punished for the Afghanistan disaster nor for Benghazi. When your CIC is a dementia patient that is bought and paid for by the chicoms and won't protect our borders and you and all your commanders and dem politicians and the RINOs pretend otherwise why would you join up to "defend your country"?

Gasbag is fully prepared to yell at kids for not being selfless or patriotic enough.

Common sense solution, obviously.

 

[RaceBannon]

H actually believes the bullshit about this economy

And on the spot with the talking points of bullshit all to defend the Biden freak show

 

[WestlinnDuck]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

Your thinking like a patriotic American male. None of these apply to the dazzler. The US military used to reward intelligence, competence, meritocracy and leadership. Now those are punished unless you redefine the terms. What is rewarded is obedience to wokeness. And if you are a white male, even that won't be enough. After the Afghanistan debacle, the military cashiered a major who spoke the truth about the exit. He pointed out that an ordinary officer would be punished if a soldier died in an accident under their command. No senior officer was punished for the Afghanistan disaster nor for Benghazi. When your CIC is a dementia patient that is bought and paid for by the chicoms and won't protect our borders and you and all your commanders and dem politicians and the RINOs pretend otherwise why would you join up to "defend your country"?

Gasbag is fully prepared to yell at kids for not being selfless or patriotic enough.

Common sense solution, obviously.

That's what you got out of my post? Wokeness is not a common sense solution. That's your team's solution and that's what you vote for. I don't. Service is a two way street, it isn't slavery. You and the dementia patient don't support defending our borders. So, why would you join up as a male and then have to play pretend soldier who won't be promoted unless you lie and play a pretend soldier? Don't hurt yourself.

 

[HHusky]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

Your thinking like a patriotic American male. None of these apply to the dazzler. The US military used to reward intelligence, competence, meritocracy and leadership. Now those are punished unless you redefine the terms. What is rewarded is obedience to wokeness. And if you are a white male, even that won't be enough. After the Afghanistan debacle, the military cashiered a major who spoke the truth about the exit. He pointed out that an ordinary officer would be punished if a soldier died in an accident under their command. No senior officer was punished for the Afghanistan disaster nor for Benghazi. When your CIC is a dementia patient that is bought and paid for by the chicoms and won't protect our borders and you and all your commanders and dem politicians and the RINOs pretend otherwise why would you join up to "defend your country"?

Gasbag is fully prepared to yell at kids for not being selfless or patriotic enough.

Common sense solution, obviously.

That's what you got out of my post? Wokeness is not a common sense solution. That's your team's solution and that's what you vote for. I don't. Service is a two way street, it isn't slavery. You and the dementia patient don't support defending our borders. So, why would you join up as a male and then have to play pretend soldier who won't be promoted unless you lie and play a pretend soldier? Don't hurt yourself.

Pretty cloudy today. Shouldn’t you be outside yelling?

 

[WestlinnDuck]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

Your thinking like a patriotic American male. None of these apply to the dazzler. The US military used to reward intelligence, competence, meritocracy and leadership. Now those are punished unless you redefine the terms. What is rewarded is obedience to wokeness. And if you are a white male, even that won't be enough. After the Afghanistan debacle, the military cashiered a major who spoke the truth about the exit. He pointed out that an ordinary officer would be punished if a soldier died in an accident under their command. No senior officer was punished for the Afghanistan disaster nor for Benghazi. When your CIC is a dementia patient that is bought and paid for by the chicoms and won't protect our borders and you and all your commanders and dem politicians and the RINOs pretend otherwise why would you join up to "defend your country"?

Gasbag is fully prepared to yell at kids for not being selfless or patriotic enough.

Common sense solution, obviously.

That's what you got out of my post? Wokeness is not a common sense solution. That's your team's solution and that's what you vote for. I don't. Service is a two way street, it isn't slavery. You and the dementia patient don't support defending our borders. So, why would you join up as a male and then have to play pretend soldier who won't be promoted unless you lie and play a pretend soldier? Don't hurt yourself.

Pretty cloudy today. Shouldn’t you be outside yelling?

I'm not the one that voted for a dementia patient. Heal yourself, I'm fine.

 

[thechatch]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

You’re gonna tell me that Dick’s sporting goods offers a competitive salary compensation and college tuition program with the United States Military?

 

[46XiJCAB]

H actually believes the bullshit about this economy

And on the spot with the talking points of bullshit all to defend the Biden freak show

McDonalds has closed their US offices today. They’re preparing layoff notices. Dazzler is lying about how great things are. Water is wet.

 

[46XiJCAB]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

Can the BS. Your vote is destroying our military. Own it.

 

[46XiJCAB]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

Your thinking like a patriotic American male. None of these apply to the dazzler. The US military used to reward intelligence, competence, meritocracy and leadership. Now those are punished unless you redefine the terms. What is rewarded is obedience to wokeness. And if you are a white male, even that won't be enough. After the Afghanistan debacle, the military cashiered a major who spoke the truth about the exit. He pointed out that an ordinary officer would be punished if a soldier died in an accident under their command. No senior officer was punished for the Afghanistan disaster nor for Benghazi. When your CIC is a dementia patient that is bought and paid for by the chicoms and won't protect our borders and you and all your commanders and dem politicians and the RINOs pretend otherwise why would you join up to "defend your country"?

Gasbag is fully prepared to yell at kids for not being selfless or patriotic enough.

Common sense solution, obviously.

Own your vote for the guy destroying our military.

 

[HHusky]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

You’re gonna tell me that Dick’s sporting goods offers a competitive salary compensation and college tuition program with the United States Military?

https://www.ddir.com/employment/

No two year commitment to work at Dicks. You’re still free to explore your civilian opportunities.

You girls were for low unemployment before you were against it.

 

[46XiJCAB]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

You’re gonna tell me that Dick’s sporting goods offers a competitive salary compensation and college tuition program with the United States Military?

https://www.ddir.com/employment/

No two year commitment to work at Dicks. You’re still free to explore your civilian opportunities.

You girls were for low unemployment before you were against it.

Fuck off. Own your vote for the guy destroying our military. It’s what you wanted.

 

[Bendintheriver]

I guess the self proclaimed "thinker" can't dispute the stats or the quotes from actual enlisted men and women in the article so he did a 180 and is making up imaginary bullshit.

Enrollment in the armed services was never a get rich opportunity you dipstick. Everyone volunteering for service knows that. Why do I not find it surprising that you have no idea why people enter the service.

Jeezus you have abandoned all self respect and honesty in your effort to defend horrible decision making by your rat leadership. The perfect non-thinking rat goose stepper.

 

[46XiJCAB]

Imagine working overtime like Dazzler to defend the failure he voted for. The guy destroying our military. The guy who lied about the damage the Chinese spy balloon did.

Own your vote and can the BS.

 

[HHusky]

I guess the self proclaimed "thinker" can't dispute the stats or the quotes from actual enlisted men and women in the article so he did a 180 and is making up imaginary bullshit.

Enrollment in the armed services was never a get rich opportunity you dipstick. Everyone volunteering for service knows that. Why do I not find it surprising that you have no idea why people enter the service.

Jeezus you have abandoned all self respect and honesty in your effort to defend horrible decision making by your rat leadership. The perfect non-thinking rat goose stepper.

Atl has some genuine anecdotes to share.

Meanwhile . . .
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/editorial-why-recruiting-is-in-crisis/

 

[thechatch]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

You’re gonna tell me that Dick’s sporting goods offers a competitive salary compensation and college tuition program with the United States Military?

https://www.ddir.com/employment/

No two year commitment to work at Dicks. You’re still free to explore your civilian opportunities.

You girls were for low unemployment before you were against it.

Now you want to tell me that minimum wage + a 28k one time endowment is competitive with the US Military? 28k ain’t 80% of tuition unless we’re talking about community college.

If I’m 18, a two year run with the army before having my college essentially paid for sounds better than working at Dicks, even with the market freedom to go get a job at McDonald’s if I decide I don’t like re-stocking soccer cleats.

Oh wait it sounds like McDonald’s isn’t hiring right now…..

Also I’m not a girl, HH.

 

[46XiJCAB]

I guess the self proclaimed "thinker" can't dispute the stats or the quotes from actual enlisted men and women in the article so he did a 180 and is making up imaginary bullshit.

Enrollment in the armed services was never a get rich opportunity you dipstick. Everyone volunteering for service knows that. Why do I not find it surprising that you have no idea why people enter the service.

Jeezus you have abandoned all self respect and honesty in your effort to defend horrible decision making by your rat leadership. The perfect non-thinking rat goose stepper.

The pathological liar always goes for the deflection. He doesn’t have the guts to own his vote.

 

[46XiJCAB]

I guess the self proclaimed "thinker" can't dispute the stats or the quotes from actual enlisted men and women in the article so he did a 180 and is making up imaginary bullshit.

Enrollment in the armed services was never a get rich opportunity you dipstick. Everyone volunteering for service knows that. Why do I not find it surprising that you have no idea why people enter the service.

Jeezus you have abandoned all self respect and honesty in your effort to defend horrible decision making by your rat leadership. The perfect non-thinking rat goose stepper.

Atl has some genuine anecdotes to share.

Meanwhile . . .
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/editorial-why-recruiting-is-in-crisis/

Your deflection is adorable.

As always.

Fuck off.

 

[HHusky]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

You’re gonna tell me that Dick’s sporting goods offers a competitive salary compensation and college tuition program with the United States Military?

https://www.ddir.com/employment/

No two year commitment to work at Dicks. You’re still free to explore your civilian opportunities.

You girls were for low unemployment before you were against it.

Now you want to tell me that minimum wage + a 28k one time endowment is competitive with the US Military? 28k ain’t 80% of tuition unless we’re talking about community college.

If I’m 18, a two year run with the army before having my college essentially paid for sounds better than working at Dicks, even with the market freedom to go get a job at McDonald’s if I decide I don’t like re-stocking soccer cleats.

Oh wait it sounds like McDonald’s isn’t hiring right now…..

Also I’m not a girl, HH.

Unemployment is 3.6%. And you trannies can’t figure out why that affects military recruitment.

You wanted to have a serious conversation, but we’re one serious thinker short.

 

[46XiJCAB]

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

You’re gonna tell me that Dick’s sporting goods offers a competitive salary compensation and college tuition program with the United States Military?

https://www.ddir.com/employment/

No two year commitment to work at Dicks. You’re still free to explore your civilian opportunities.

You girls were for low unemployment before you were against it.

Now you want to tell me that minimum wage + a 28k one time endowment is competitive with the US Military? 28k ain’t 80% of tuition unless we’re talking about community college.

If I’m 18, a two year run with the army before having my college essentially paid for sounds better than working at Dicks, even with the market freedom to go get a job at McDonald’s if I decide I don’t like re-stocking soccer cleats.

Oh wait it sounds like McDonald’s isn’t hiring right now…..

Also I’m not a girl, HH.

Unemployment is 3.6%. And you trannies can’t figure out why that affects military recruitment.

You wanted to have a serious conversation, but we’re one serious thinker short.

M-E-L-T-D-O-W-N.

Your deflection doesn’t hunt. Joey appreciates the reach around.

Fuck off.

 

[thechatch]

UE was 3.9% in 2000 and we had zero issue recruiting to the military.