And so it begins....

[Tailgater]

Pay the players.

I get colleges are making BIG money off these kids ... no argument there.

However ...

I get it ...

But part of me says ... cut the education, pay them and start a minor league.

WHOOSH! Way to miss the point by a mile or even farther? What would be the fun in cutting out colleges and universities and giving the revenue sports such as football and men's basketball to minor leagues?

Get a clue and then you might actually get it. Our higher education system isn't just about education. It's also about entrepreneurialism more and more each day and it's about close relationships between educational disciplines and related commercial/civil fields in business and government.

Why shouldn't that growing entrepreneurialism join with traditional community relations by having colleges and universities convert competitive associations and conferences into what you call minor leagues? All that's missing is paying the players as they deserve to be paid same as any programmer in computer engineering, lab rat in chemistry or physics, and TA's all over campus.

 

[Mosster47]

Paying the players is the last stop in what has become a very long trip through the NCAA's hypocrisy regarding athlete eligibility, and is obviously the most extreme response. If you don't like that then what about allowing athletes the chance to make money off of their name and likeness, like other Americans. This whole libertarian "well they don't have to play" bullshit is childish. Neither do the coaches, yet they're making millions each year. No one is suggesting that the players should be making $30k a year, just that some portion of the billions of dollars they create for college sports be passed down.

I've been saying this forever. Johnny Football is a multimillion dollar name and should be paid as such. The 3rd string guard at ATM is worth a scholarship, barely. If these kids can go out and make their own money then they should he able to.

 

[[Deleted User]]

Paying the players is the last stop in what has become a very long trip through the NCAA's hypocrisy regarding athlete eligibility, and is obviously the most extreme response. If you don't like that then what about allowing athletes the chance to make money off of their name and likeness, like other Americans. This whole libertarian "well they don't have to play" bullshit is childish. Neither do the coaches, yet they're making millions each year. No one is suggesting that the players should be making $30k a year, just that some portion of the billions of dollars they create for college sports be passed down.

I've been saying this forever. Johnny Football is a multimillion dollar name and should be paid as such. The 3rd string guard at ATM is worth a scholarship, barely. If these kids can go out and make their own money then they should he able to.

Fortunately O'bannon vs NCAA should solve that.

Ridiculous how much money EA sports made off these guys.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

I don't see why they can't give football players a larger stipend. Same with basketball. Tough luck to the other sports that don't make money. That said, the people who think it would eliminate corruption are morons.

Agreed, but politically it won't work. Whiney cunt feminists and the general vaginized state that's gripped this country won't allow it.

 

[TTJ]

I wasn't in favor of Title 9 when it happened but its settled science. Also most universities aren't profiting by billions. They just aren't. Try to get the treatment you get at UO in a minor league. You won't. The education and training are worth 100K easy. Bust the system and get a fucking bus ride and a broken body for pennies

http://deadspin.com/no-paying-athletes-wont-bankrupt-college-sports-1502028351
http://deadspin.com/why-the-arguments-against-ncaa-pay-for-play-suck-1481854847

Ever seen a minor league baseball stadium look like this?

 

[MikeDamone]

Title IX applies to scholarships. There is no mandate that University employees in general, or employees of the athletic department, have some sort of gender balance.

College football does not need the NCAA. One of these days the SEC will add FSU and Miami, and say We Can Have SEC College Football without the NCAA, we'll just play ourselves, and pay the players, and people will watch and the SEC will make money.

It makes sense if you ignore the government. You are proposing a capitalistic solution that the government and it's courts simply won't allow.

 

[MikeDamone]

Pay the players? Sure as long as Suzy the softball player gets paid the same. Title 9. Not so easy now. Its not like that money is going in someone's pocket. Its funding the program and all the other programs.

Title 9 isn't universal in that equal opportunity to play and receive a full ride scholarship can't and won't be the same as equal pay for unequal play. Neither softball nor any women's sport can be considered a vocation when it costs more to play than the earnings generated from playing for the entertainment of paying spectators.

If anything, paying college athletes could eventually blow Title 9 out of the water with respect to any university's athletic department business contributions from football and men's basketball. No judge living on mars or even in the womb of Women's Liberation could mandate equal pay for unequal play when comparing softball to football. We may be fare in an American way, but we are not communists.

Yes, a judge could mandate that. A softball player putting in the same hours as a football player would certainly be paid the same. The government and courts would have it no other way.

 

[DeepPurple]

Pay the players.

I get colleges are making BIG money off these kids ... no argument there.

However ...

As of Quarter 1 in 2012, the average student loan balance for all age groups is $24,301. About one-quarter of borrowers owe more than $28,000; 10% of borrowers owe more than $54,000; 3% owe more than $100,000; and less than 1%, or 167,000 people, owe more than $200,000. (Source: FRBNY)

AND ...

Most these kids would never GET the opportunity to go to college if it wasn't for being able to run or throw a ball.

I get it ...

But part of me says ... cut the education, pay them and start a minor league.

If it's such a shitty deal they could just decide not to play. No one is forcing them. They could get get into these universities based on their SAT scores, grades, community service, etc. and either work, get loans or have their parents pay for the education...

No one is holding a gun to their heads...

Exactly right.

But sure, I say pay them. Figure out how many hours they work for their sport, give them a fair wage for their time, and figure out what a typical education costs a year (30K?), divide that by 9 months of work (at the most) and what do they earn today already?... (30,000/39) = $770 a week... for 25 hours of work a week.

They are already getting paid. I'd say that is a pretty fucking good college job.

 

[pawz]

Pay the players? Sure as long as Suzy the softball player gets paid the same. Title 9. Not so easy now. Its not like that money is going in someone's pocket. Its funding the program and all the other programs.

I like to make 3M per year at a non-profit and call the enterprise not-for-profit. I do that.

 

[[Deleted User]]

I wasn't in favor of Title 9 when it happened but its settled science. Also most universities aren't profiting by billions. They just aren't. Try to get the treatment you get at UO in a minor league. You won't. The education and training are worth 100K easy. Bust the system and get a fucking bus ride and a broken body for pennies

http://deadspin.com/no-paying-athletes-wont-bankrupt-college-sports-1502028351
http://deadspin.com/why-the-arguments-against-ncaa-pay-for-play-suck-1481854847

Ever seen a minor league baseball stadium look like this?

Paying college football players would not diminish fan interest.
http://regressing.deadspin.com/no-fans-wont-stop-watching-if-college-players-get-pai-1501305452

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

Pay the players.

They already get paid. Free school. Free publicity. A ticket to the NFL/NBA etc. with a strong collegiate performance. Fucking duh. That's pay enough. The idea of paying college athletes is retarded. The system works, don't fix what's not broken.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

Paying the players is the last stop in what has become a very long trip through the NCAA's hypocrisy regarding athlete eligibility, and is obviously the most extreme response. If you don't like that then what about allowing athletes the chance to make money off of their name and likeness, like other Americans. This whole libertarian "well they don't have to play" bullshit is childish. Neither do the coaches, yet they're making millions each year. No one is suggesting that the players should be making $30k a year, just that some portion of the billions of dollars they create for college sports be passed down.

They get college scholarships. In some instances that's worth more than $100,000, not to mention the free publicity, the fame, the chance to play in the NFL. Hope that clues you in.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

Paying the players is the last stop in what has become a very long trip through the NCAA's hypocrisy regarding athlete eligibility, and is obviously the most extreme response. If you don't like that then what about allowing athletes the chance to make money off of their name and likeness, like other Americans. This whole libertarian "well they don't have to play" bullshit is childish. Neither do the coaches, yet they're making millions each year. No one is suggesting that the players should be making $30k a year, just that some portion of the billions of dollars they create for college sports be passed down.

I've been saying this forever. Johnny Football is a multimillion dollar name and should be paid as such. The 3rd string guard at ATM is worth a scholarship, barely. If these kids can go out and make their own money then they should he able to.

Fortunately O'bannon vs NCAA should solve that.

Ridiculous how much money EA sports made off these guys.

So you're one of the bitches that thinks we shouldn't get to play NCAA football on our Xboxes/playstations anymore? Thanks, fucking Grinch. That was a great game. I don't give a fuck if Laquintas Linebacker from UTEP who never made it to the NFL thinks he should get paid even though the dude that wears his number on the video game has dreads and not a bald head. You got paid with your school scholarship, now go get a real job and be happy you even made it on the video game.

 

[RaceBannon]

Damone is right you're dreaming if you think the feds will stand by while male football players get paid.

But let's pay the players and ride unicorns and give everyone a raise a free healthcare while we burn biomass. Yipee

 

[[Deleted User]]

Damone is right you're dreaming if you think the feds will stand by while male football players get paid.

But let's pay the players and ride unicorns and give everyone a raise a free healthcare while we burn biomass. Yipee

Or you could let all college athletes license their names. Do you at least see the merit in that?

Johnny football should already have millions in his pocket for endorsements, jersey sales, etc.

At the moment all that money goes to the NCAA or AD's.

 

[RaceBannon]

What do they do with that money? Does Mr. Burns keep it?

Colleges are ripping you and your generation off far more than they are ripping off football players.

 

[[Deleted User]]

What do they do with that money? Does Mr. Burns keep it?

Colleges are ripping you and your generation off far more than they are ripping off football players.

Of course they keep it. They earned it.

Let's not perpetuate the student athlete myth. Around half of football and basketball players don't even read at a high school level when they graduate college.

 

[RaceBannon]

What do they do with that money? Does Mr. Burns keep it?

Colleges are ripping you and your generation off far more than they are ripping off football players.

Of course they keep it. They earned it.

Let's not perpetuate the student athlete myth. Around half of football and basketball players don't even read at a high school level when they graduate college.

Do you have any thoughts of your own? If you don't want to "perpetuate the student athlete myth" (great talking point as always) then take the game out of the university all together and the players can get paid what they are worth - nothing until they make the NFL

Watched any A league baseball lately?

I asked where all this money that the universities are ripping the players off for goes to. The Hooker and Blow Center didn't build itself.

You don't even care that colleges have huge endowments that should make tuition free but instead they rig the price in cahoots with the college loan scam so you leave school a hundred grand in debt with a shit education.

Instead let's worry about guys getting a free education and the best training in the world and contacts that last a lifetime. They are fucking SLAVES

 

[[Deleted User]]

What do they do with that money? Does Mr. Burns keep it?

Colleges are ripping you and your generation off far more than they are ripping off football players.

Of course they keep it. They earned it.

Let's not perpetuate the student athlete myth. Around half of football and basketball players don't even read at a high school level when they graduate college.

Do you have any thoughts of your own? If you don't want to "perpetuate the student athlete myth" (great talking point as always) then take the game out of the university all together and the players can get paid what they are worth - nothing until they make the NFL

Watched any A league baseball lately?

I asked where all this money that the universities are ripping the players off for goes to. The Hooker and Blow Center didn't build itself.

You don't even care that colleges have huge endowments that should make tuition free but instead they rig the price in cahoots with the college loan scam so you leave school a hundred grand in debt with a shit education.

Instead let's worry about guys getting a free education and the best training in the world and contacts that last a lifetime. They are fucking SLAVES

It's free but it's hardly an education.

And it's the best training in the world for the ~3% of D1 football players that actually play in the pros.

No one is saying they're slaves. Why shouldn't they be able to profit off their name?

Branding is a pretty low percentage of AD revenue.http://espn.go.com/ncaa/revenue

If players were to be paid, donations would likely skyrocket because the competition to get the best players will be even higher.

The economic studies find college football will be just fine.

The only issue is whether Mark Emmert will fuck it up, which, as we know, is likely.

 

[RaceBannon]

To get what you want you have to take it out of the colleges and the NCAA and away from Title 9. College football is what it is because of the college. Nobody gives a shit about college baseball and basketball is following.

I don't care either way, I just know you're dreaming if you think anyone will make any money in minor league football.

Title 9 and university presidents aren't going to allow football players to get paid unequally to other student athletes. Universities won't make them employees because of the liability. They will just drop the sport.

Like most of your ideas, it is unworkable in the real world. Just something else to whine and complain about.

Where is the money going? Still waiting on that answer. There has to be someone pocketing all these millions that universities are hiding to exploit these poor athletes and their free education and training.

Could it be the same folks that are exploiting ALL students with ridiculous tuition and killing debt thanks to the student loan scam? Oh wait, student loans are another great idea you love I'm sure.

The UW cost 180$ a quarter when I went there. See a correlation between the government subsidizing tuition and tuition skyrocketing? Probably not. That's a real issue.