America's Greatest Victory of WW2 ?

[Fishpo31]

If the Japanese had destroyed US carriers and kept their own the west coast would have been in range
The US carriers not being at Pearl Harbor and then Midway secured the Pacific
Took a lot of death to get Japan to surrender though

Several years ago during a spirited discussion about the evils of war with my progressive/socialist daughters, I ended it with “You can make arguments about what has gone on since WWII, but if the bomb is not dropped, you are speaking Japanese, and I do not exist”…

 

[DerekJohnson]

I think Saving Private Ryan nails it. Maybe the first movie that hit me so hard I felt like less of a man

Joey went on and on about this on a podcast

 

[YellowSnow]

If the Japanese had destroyed US carriers and kept their own the west coast would have been in range
The US carriers not being at Pearl Harbor and then Midway secured the Pacific
Took a lot of death to get Japan to surrender though

It's debatable how much the West Coast would have been in range for Japan post a major defeat at Midway. I think Hawaii would have been in play certainly and Japan's defensive perimeter would have been much harder to penetrate. But keep in mind the sheer logistics of invading the West Coast of the US? Japan was still bogged down in China and I don't think they had the industrial capacity to consider an invasion of CA, WA or OR. Our land based air craft would have been a significant threat to any invasion fleet nearing the West Coast and we would have shifter resources away from the European theater in the even of threat of imminent invasion.

 

[YellowSnow]

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. - GP

Makes a good case for the "Marianas Turkey Shoot" option in this pole. My favorite military historian, Max Hastings, makes the case that two factors that most sealed Japan's fate, were that the US submarine fleet had by 1944 sunk most of Japan's merchant shipping fleet which destroyed their wartime industrial capability and the taking of the Marianas Islands which put Japan in range of the B-29s. Everything that came thereafter- e.g., Philippines, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa - were a waste of lives and didn't do much to hasten Japan's surrender.

 

[BearsWiin]

I'm a big D-Day supporter.

My grandpa landed on Utah Beach 80 years ago this coming June 6th.
As our pod @BearsWiin used to way, Normandy was nothing special. There's no question Normandy was a huge logistical feat, but Germany's fate was already pretty much sealed by June of '44. Maybe if we fail at the landings if delays the end somewhat and the Ruskies advance further (or maybe not because Normandy too pressure off the Eastern Front).
Midway on the other hand was the greatest 15 min knock out punch in the history of warfare. Japan was very much in the fight the morning of the battle and by day's end they took a blow from which they did not have the industrial capacity from which to recover.

You were listening. Good.

 

[YellowSnow]

I'm a big D-Day supporter.

My grandpa landed on Utah Beach 80 years ago this coming June 6th.
As our pod @BearsWiin used to way, Normandy was nothing special. There's no question Normandy was a huge logistical feat, but Germany's fate was already pretty much sealed by June of '44. Maybe if we fail at the landings if delays the end somewhat and the Ruskies advance further (or maybe not because Normandy too pressure off the Eastern Front).
Midway on the other hand was the greatest 15 min knock out punch in the history of warfare. Japan was very much in the fight the morning of the battle and by day's end they took a blow from which they did not have the industrial capacity from which to recover.

You were listening. Good.

Hey, pal, don’t be snobby.

I’m bringing the Fam through Aptos this summer. Need all the kid friendly recommendations.

 

[BearsWiin]

I'm a big D-Day supporter.

My grandpa landed on Utah Beach 80 years ago this coming June 6th.
As our pod @BearsWiin used to way, Normandy was nothing special. There's no question Normandy was a huge logistical feat, but Germany's fate was already pretty much sealed by June of '44. Maybe if we fail at the landings if delays the end somewhat and the Ruskies advance further (or maybe not because Normandy too pressure off the Eastern Front).
Midway on the other hand was the greatest 15 min knock out punch in the history of warfare. Japan was very much in the fight the morning of the battle and by day's end they took a blow from which they did not have the industrial capacity from which to recover.

You were listening. Good.

Hey, pal, don’t be snobby.

I’m bringing the Fam through Aptos this summer. Need all the kid friendly recommendations.

Marianne's Ice Cream near Seacliff Beach. Venus down by Rio Del Mar Beach, but that's a bar. Capitola Village is fun to walk through. Further away towards Monterey Elkhorn Slough has good kayaking, and there's the Boardwalk on the Westside and the giant redwoods of Cowell State Park up in the mountains by Roaring Camp.
Let me know when you're coming through and we can grab a beer or something. I'm in Slovenia 7/31-8/11 tho, and might be in Yosemite sometime in mid-July.

 

[DerekJohnson]

I'm a big D-Day supporter.

My grandpa landed on Utah Beach 80 years ago this coming June 6th.
As our pod @BearsWiin used to way, Normandy was nothing special. There's no question Normandy was a huge logistical feat, but Germany's fate was already pretty much sealed by June of '44. Maybe if we fail at the landings if delays the end somewhat and the Ruskies advance further (or maybe not because Normandy too pressure off the Eastern Front).
Midway on the other hand was the greatest 15 min knock out punch in the history of warfare. Japan was very much in the fight the morning of the battle and by day's end they took a blow from which they did not have the industrial capacity from which to recover.

You were listening. Good.

Hello stranger

 

[BearsWiin]

I'm a big D-Day supporter.

My grandpa landed on Utah Beach 80 years ago this coming June 6th.
As our pod @BearsWiin used to way, Normandy was nothing special. There's no question Normandy was a huge logistical feat, but Germany's fate was already pretty much sealed by June of '44. Maybe if we fail at the landings if delays the end somewhat and the Ruskies advance further (or maybe not because Normandy too pressure off the Eastern Front).
Midway on the other hand was the greatest 15 min knock out punch in the history of warfare. Japan was very much in the fight the morning of the battle and by day's end they took a blow from which they did not have the industrial capacity from which to recover.

You were listening. Good.

Hello stranger

I want my dimes back

 

[DerekJohnson]

@BearsWiin
I blew it all on a hooker. (You should have seen the look on her face as I paid her in dimes!).

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

@BearsWiin
I blew it all on a hooker. (You should have seen the look on her face as I paid her in dimes!).

She probably felt pretty silly after she greeted you by saying “is that a roll of dimes in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?”

 

[YellowSnow]

 

[DerekJohnson]

I think Saving Private Ryan nails it. Maybe the first movie that hit me so hard I felt like less of a man

Joey went on and on about this on a podcast

Come on @JoeEDangerously — this was funny!

 

[Joey]

I think Saving Private Ryan nails it. Maybe the first movie that hit me so hard I felt like less of a man

Joey went on and on about this on a podcast

Come on @JoeEDangerously — this was funny!

missed it somehow

 

[DerekJohnson]

I think Saving Private Ryan nails it. Maybe the first movie that hit me so hard I felt like less of a man

Joey went on and on about this on a podcast

Come on @JoeEDangerously — this was funny!

missed it somehow

Meg Ryan was incredible

 

[YellowSnow]