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[PurpleJ]

Have any of you assholes ever been to southern France or parts of England? They're practically overrun with arabs. We should try to be more European and let everyone come, legal or illegal.

Yes, but what does this have to do with upholding our own Constitution?

 

[MikeDamone]

There's great hilarity in the idea that a cult of libertarians thinks that we should pay for and provide legal counsel for illegal aliens.

You clearly haven't done the math. You should do some before exposing yourself as a compete uninformed idiot.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

There's great hilarity in the idea that a cult of libertarians thinks that we should pay for and provide legal counsel for illegal aliens.

Libertarians are pretty big on following the Constitution. Maybe you missed that?

Or maybe it's the fact that these legal fees amount to a molecule in a drop in the bucket of our spending bill?

Christ you are really dumb.

$100 million dollars is a pretty small molecule. Lets take it out of your pocket.

 

[MikeDamone]

God forbid that the richest nation on earth give legal guidance to people accused of crimes and facing deportation...

What part of illegal don't you understand? They don't have the right to legal guidance in the US because they don't even have the right to be here. If you want to pay for their legal guidance go ahead, but leave the rest of us out of it. We've got enough problems taking care of our own citizens.

I don't really give a shit if you want to argue that it is their right or not.

People in our land, accused of a crime... even the crime of being here illegally, should get legal guidance. Even if they can't afford it.

I'm guessing you flunked civics class?

Illegal aliens have no rights. End of story. Door. Ass. Out. If you want to live here, stand in line, wait your turn, do it legally. Do you think the fucking taxpayer should pay for their legal guidance? You need to be buttrammed by that pride of faggots if you do. A wall needs to be built to repel the illegal horde so we won't have to waste time and money refuting the idiocy of liberal nut jobs like yourself. Do you think Mexico or those central American countries would give us the same courtesy? Fuck no. It's straight to jail. Fuck off.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door"

I like to disagree with what's written in the Statue of Liberty, while presenting myself as a good American, that's what I like to do.

I like to quote my own poasts. That's what I like to do.

I like logical fallacies, that's what I like.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

I'm sure ISIS and al Qaida will be glad to know that the Bill of Rights applies to them as well.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

Have any of you assholes ever been to southern France or parts of England? They're practically overrun with arabs. We should try to be more European and let everyone come, legal or illegal.

Yes, but what does this have to do with upholding our own Constitution?

Our president doesn't uphold the constitution. Neither does the government. Maybe you missed the IRS scandal? Or the president unilaterally changing his own laws? Fuck off. Illegals need to be shipped back across the border. No warning. They're just gone.

 

[PurpleJ]

There's great hilarity in the idea that a cult of libertarians thinks that we should pay for and provide legal counsel for illegal aliens.

Libertarians are pretty big on following the Constitution. Maybe you missed that?

Or maybe it's the fact that these legal fees amount to a molecule in a drop in the bucket of our spending bill?

Christ you are really dumb.

$100 million dollars is a pretty small molecule. Lets take it out of your pocket.

I'm assuming you're just throwing random numbers out there again, as you don't have a link.

But I will humor you.

100[100 million/3.8 trillion] = 0.00263157894% of the 2013 federal budget

Good job. You're even dumber than I thought.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

God forbid that the richest nation on earth give legal guidance to people accused of crimes and facing deportation...

What part of illegal don't you understand? They don't have the right to legal guidance in the US because they don't even have the right to be here. If you want to pay for their legal guidance go ahead, but leave the rest of us out of it. We've got enough problems taking care of our own citizens.

I don't really give a shit if you want to argue that it is their right or not.

People in our land, accused of a crime... even the crime of being here illegally, should get legal guidance. Even if they can't afford it.

I'm guessing you flunked civics class?

Illegal aliens have no rights. End of story. Door. Ass. Out. If you want to live here, stand in line, wait your turn, do it legally. Do you think the fucking taxpayer should pay for their legal guidance? You need to be buttrammed by that pride of faggots if you do. A wall needs to be built to repel the illegal horde so we won't have to waste time and money refuting the idiocy of liberal nut jobs like yourself. Do you think Mexico or those central American countries would give us the same courtesy? Fuck no. It's straight to jail. Fuck off.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door"

I like to disagree with what's written in the Statue of Liberty, while presenting myself as a good American, that's what I like to do.

I like to quote my own poasts. That's what I like to do.

I like logical fallacies, that's what I like.

I like hiding behind a guise of superiority and rely on insults rather than arguments when I debate.

 

[PurpleJ]

God forbid that the richest nation on earth give legal guidance to people accused of crimes and facing deportation...

What part of illegal don't you understand? They don't have the right to legal guidance in the US because they don't even have the right to be here. If you want to pay for their legal guidance go ahead, but leave the rest of us out of it. We've got enough problems taking care of our own citizens.

I don't really give a shit if you want to argue that it is their right or not.

People in our land, accused of a crime... even the crime of being here illegally, should get legal guidance. Even if they can't afford it.

I'm guessing you flunked civics class?

Illegal aliens have no rights. End of story. Door. Ass. Out. If you want to live here, stand in line, wait your turn, do it legally. Do you think the fucking taxpayer should pay for their legal guidance? You need to be buttrammed by that pride of faggots if you do. A wall needs to be built to repel the illegal horde so we won't have to waste time and money refuting the idiocy of liberal nut jobs like yourself. Do you think Mexico or those central American countries would give us the same courtesy? Fuck no. It's straight to jail. Fuck off.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door"

I like to disagree with what's written in the Statue of Liberty, while presenting myself as a good American, that's what I like to do.

I like to quote my own poasts. That's what I like to do.

I like logical fallacies, that's what I like.

I like hiding behind a guise of superiority and rely on insults rather than arguments when I debate.

We know you do.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

There's great hilarity in the idea that a cult of libertarians thinks that we should pay for and provide legal counsel for illegal aliens.

Libertarians are pretty big on following the Constitution. Maybe you missed that?

Or maybe it's the fact that these legal fees amount to a molecule in a drop in the bucket of our spending bill?

Christ you are really dumb.

$100 million dollars is a pretty small molecule. Lets take it out of your pocket.

I'm assuming you're just throwing random numbers out there again, as you don't have a link.

But I will humor you.

100[100 million/3.8 trillion] = 0.00263157894% of the 2013 federal budget

Good job. You're even dumber than I thought.

You're right. I threw out that number. But I'm sure it's infinitesimally smaller than what the real cost would be.

 

[PurpleJ]

There's great hilarity in the idea that a cult of libertarians thinks that we should pay for and provide legal counsel for illegal aliens.

Libertarians are pretty big on following the Constitution. Maybe you missed that?

Or maybe it's the fact that these legal fees amount to a molecule in a drop in the bucket of our spending bill?

Christ you are really dumb.

$100 million dollars is a pretty small molecule. Lets take it out of your pocket.

I'm assuming you're just throwing random numbers out there again, as you don't have a link.

But I will humor you.

100[100 million/3.8 trillion] = 0.00263157894% of the 2013 federal budget

Good job. You're even dumber than I thought.

You're right. I threw out that number. But I'm sure it's infinitesimally smaller than what the real cost would be.

Neither of us knows what the real cost would be, but I'm not the dumbfuck that threw out a number and then made an even dumber argument based off said number.

 

[PurpleJ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8yT1GHoFiAw

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

The illegals should be shipped directly to Washington state from Texas. You guys can pay for their lawyers and provide food and housing for them since you're so passionate about it. Don't forget the schooling. Make sure to raise your property taxes enough to cover it.

 

[MikeDamone]

I have citations I can link, but i'm not going to unless you really want it.. Please man, think things through and read before you pop off. It's embarrassing. You're like most fucktards in this country who react to the news in front of them and don't use any critical thinking skills or do any research.

Many right wingers, and some left wingers, oppose looser immigration policies... That is a slap in the face to what liberty and freedom mean and what America stands for.

As I stated before:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door"

Restrictions on immigration are a restriction of freedom, and I'm not sure why so many so called patriots support them. Maybe it's because they assume that immigrants are welfare cases and bad for American wages, employment, and the economy in general. Not true in most cases....

People come to America for a better life, not to live on welfare. A paper from Cato Institute (that's my source? yes) found that poor immigrants and their children (both legal and illegal) use public benefits at a lower rate than the U.S. born poor. Also, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the Manhattan Institute found that immigrants have a much higher labor force participation rate than those born in the United States , meaning that immigrants come to the states to work, not to collect government benefits.

While people think that immigrants are tremendous costs to the government, the Congressional Budget Office says otherwise:

"Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that. over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use."

People, especially right wingers, claim that immigrants reduce wages and employment, but not so fast . According to Fact Check.org:

“There is broad agreement among economists that while immigrants may push down wages for some (high school drop outs) , the overall effect is to increase average wages for American-born workers"

Research from labor economist Giovanni Peri and others states:

"The effect of immigration on U.S. born employment is positive." and " Statistical analysis of state-level data shows that immigrants expand the economy’s productive capacity by stimulating investment and promoting specialization. This produces efficiency gains and boosts income per worker. At the same time, evidence is scant that immigrants diminish the employment opportunities of U.S.-born workers."

There isn't strong economic case against looser immigration laws. Consider the fact that when a Mexican worker comes to America, his wages more than double . If you were in his/her position, wouldn't you want to come to America, which is a land of opportunity?

It's hypocritical people seriously want to engage in closed border policies considering the ancestors of European Americans came to America for better lives, yet many would deny that same opportunity to people in Latin America. Nevermind the fact that closed border policies would, according to recent research, make the U.S. born worse off.

I haven't even started on the failed war on drugs and how that plays into all of this...

The research suggests that none of the economic claims made by knee jerk reaction retards like OBK are true.

now good day sir!!

I SAID GOOD DAY!!!

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

There isn't strong economic case against looser immigration laws. Consider the fact that when a Mexican worker comes to America, his wages more than double . If you were in his/her position, wouldn't you want to come to America, which is a land of opportunity?

What I would want if I were in his position is irrelevant. I think Switzerland is far superior to the United States and I would rather live there. Maybe I should show up at their border and enter illegally and expect them to pay for my legal representation while I'm taking advantage of their system. Then after they decide that I have indeed broken their laws (because it wasn't already obvious to all but the thickest retard, so lets all stand on pretense and go through the motions and take it through the courts), they can pay my deportation expenses and give me a free flight back to the United States.

 

[MikeDamone]

There isn't strong economic case against looser immigration laws. Consider the fact that when a Mexican worker comes to America, his wages more than double . If you were in his/her position, wouldn't you want to come to America, which is a land of opportunity?

What I would want if I were in his position is irrelevant. I think Switzerland is far superior to the United States and I would rather live there. Maybe I should show up at their border and enter illegally and expect them to pay for my legal representation while I'm taking advantage of their system. Then after they decide that I have indeed broken their laws (because it wasn't already obvious to all but the thickest retard, so lets all stand on pretense and go through the motions and take it through the courts), they can pay my deportation expenses and give me a free flight back to the United States.

jesus.. That's your response?

 

[PurpleJ]

Judging by the way OBK likes to try to cherry pick facts, I'm guessing he lost his agricultural job to an immigrant.

 

[MikeDamone]

Judging by the way OBK likes to try to cherry pick facts, I'm guessing he lost his agricultural job to an immigrant.

I swear. I try to help him and actually spent a fair amount of time on my response. But if he isn't even going to try, I give up.

 

[allpurpleallgold]

I have citations I can link, but i'm not going to unless you really want it.. Please man, think things through and read before you pop off. It's embarrassing. You're like most fucktards in this country who react to the news in front of them and don't use any critical thinking skills or do any research.

Many right wingers, and some left wingers, oppose looser immigration policies... That is a slap in the face to what liberty and freedom mean and what America stands for.

As I stated before:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door"

Restrictions on immigration are a restriction of freedom, and I'm not sure why so many so called patriots support them. Maybe it's because they assume that immigrants are welfare cases and bad for American wages, employment, and the economy in general. Not true in most cases....

People come to America for a better life, not to live on welfare. A paper from Cato Institute (that's my source? yes) found that poor immigrants and their children (both legal and illegal) use public benefits at a lower rate than the U.S. born poor. Also, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the Manhattan Institute found that immigrants have a much higher labor force participation rate than those born in the United States , meaning that immigrants come to the states to work, not to collect government benefits.

While people think that immigrants are tremendous costs to the government, the Congressional Budget Office says otherwise:

"Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that. over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use."

People, especially right wingers, claim that immigrants reduce wages and employment, but not so fast . According to Fact Check.org:

“There is broad agreement among economists that while immigrants may push down wages for some (high school drop outs) , the overall effect is to increase average wages for American-born workers"

Research from labor economist Giovanni Peri and others states:

"The effect of immigration on U.S. born employment is positive." and " Statistical analysis of state-level data shows that immigrants expand the economy’s productive capacity by stimulating investment and promoting specialization. This produces efficiency gains and boosts income per worker. At the same time, evidence is scant that immigrants diminish the employment opportunities of U.S.-born workers."

There isn't strong economic case against looser immigration laws. Consider the fact that when a Mexican worker comes to America, his wages more than double . If you were in his/her position, wouldn't you want to come to America, which is a land of opportunity?

It's hypocritical people seriously want to engage in closed border policies considering the ancestors of European Americans came to America for better lives, yet many would deny that same opportunity to people in Latin America. Nevermind the fact that closed border policies would, according to recent research, make the U.S. born worse off.

I haven't even started on the failed war on drugs and how that plays into all of this...

The research suggests that none of the economic claims made by knee jerk reaction retards like OBK are true.

now good day sir!!

I SAID GOOD DAY!!!

SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

There isn't strong economic case against looser immigration laws. Consider the fact that when a Mexican worker comes to America, his wages more than double . If you were in his/her position, wouldn't you want to come to America, which is a land of opportunity?

What I would want if I were in his position is irrelevant. I think Switzerland is far superior to the United States and I would rather live there. Maybe I should show up at their border and enter illegally and expect them to pay for my legal representation while I'm taking advantage of their system. Then after they decide that I have indeed broken their laws (because it wasn't already obvious to all but the thickest retard, so lets all stand on pretense and go through the motions and take it through the courts), they can pay my deportation expenses and give me a free flight back to the United States.

jesus.. That's your response?

You exited the debate like you always do. Thinking you are this:

It's a waste of energy to respond to your points, as you already have everything dialed in and figured out. If you don't agree with something, you will arrogantly dismiss it. Your positions are sturdier than the foundations of the Earth.